Michelle Young, pregnant mom, murdered Part 19

[raisincharlie]

Charlie, you said, "I too have wondered about "why now" but I think I have a little bit different take on it. I won't disagree it should have been noticed in January when the AR was released. I am wondering and actually more inclined to think the raising of this issue now may be in response to case assembly rather than just routine review. I only say that for one reason, assembling the case responds to posed questions about the case."

I got to thinking about the fact Amanda should have noticed there was no rape testing done, seeing as all of us noticed it right away. Then I remembered in the last few days here Jake stated when he wrote to Amanda in Feb that is one of the concerns he had - there having been no test, and said he told her about that. That means she has been aware of it for over 2 months! So why now?

I also thought it could be a leak from the prosecution on purpose to let it out now instead of during trial. But I think your idea of case assembly is very good, if you are thinking they are putting the case together now, working out the details of their strategy. In doing that they forulated a plan to deal with the fact the test was not given when requested.

Scandi

Someone saying they sent that concern to Ms. Lamb - is that the same as them telling you how many staircases were in the house - after you and Purple figured it out by yourself? I think so. Sorry but I find nothing credible about that story. Someone tried to "help out" Ms. Lamb by trying to get her fired.

Actually Scandi, it has been over 3 months since that AR came back - for all we know it could have been known for quite some time and for all we know they said nothing until the results came back from Michelle's clothes, which based on SBI lab time of 3 months is right about now...JMO

 

[spring]

hmmmmm that must have gone over like a bigger lead balloon than the last wild theory. try again. maybe the obvious. who stood to gain a million dollars. who stood to be able to sleep around without someone griping about it. who stood to not have to pay child support times 2. who stood to start with a clean slate. or i guess so he thought.

 

[scandi]

You little Sweetie!

That is an encouraging thought Charlie, and if they leaked this now on purpose it sounds like her clothes were free of sexual residue. Ewwww, that sounds weird, LOL, but it includes everything.

Scandi

 

[raisincharlie]

You little Sweetie!

That is an encouraging thought Charlie, and if they leaked this now on purpose it sounds like her clothes were free of sexual residue. Ewwww, that sounds weird, LOL, but it includes everything.

Scandi

The only problem with this theory is Br. Butts and his statements. But he didn't exactly strike me as knowing what was going on in his office on any given day anyhow.

 

[jake]

I believe that it was just that. This issue should have been out and dealt with earlier in the case. We've known about it for ages, Hawthorn has been a champion for it for months....

I would also have asked more questions of Sam Pennica in light of his comment that the 'agent' who went to attend the autopsy wasn't 'up' on Michelle's case details. You don't send someone to any autopsy who is not up on details of the case at hand or at least is 'up' on what Investigators requested so that requests are followed. The person sent is a go between for investigators with the ME. CCBI had time enough to have been able to brief this 'agent' to make certain that their requests on the evidence request sheet were followed up.

Sami

Hi, Sami,

As usual, you're right. But.... well, I always have a but, but not a Mr. Butts. But the 'agent' should have been able to read the request document and checked that everything requested was done. Don't you think?

And then LE. In the crime books I've read, the cops are always all over the ME shortly after a murder for a copy of the autopsy. Usually it's not available quickly, but the cops talk on the phone with the ME and get the information they need. I think LE should have realized quickly they didn't have what they needed and asked for it before the burial.

A plague on both their houses!!

--Jake

 

[jake]

Thanks Sami

Citygirl, I myself am wondering if that was brought up simply because the latest media reports stated Jason was in a romantic relationship that's been denied all along by certain posters.

I think this latest report Sami posted also shows that my earlier post to Jake shows that the reports on the SA tests not being done doesn't mean there was any reason to believe there was a sexual assault or consensual encounter. Lack of evidence there rather than presence is my opinion.

Hi, Strach,

Do you have some reason to believe there was no evidence of sexual activity in that room? Just curious.

--Jake

 

[jake]

Again it has to be someone other than Jason. A rapist or lover will do and since they didn't do the SA kit it's simply about reasonable doubt. Not actually finding out who killed Michelle.

Why not find out who killer Michelle? If there was some evidence of sexual activity in that room, match that evidence to the killer. By evidence, we might be talking about DNA.... so match it to someone. If it matches Jason.... so what? But if it matches someone else, maybe you have your killer.

Of course, i realize some evidence might have been buried. I think everyone who thinks Jason is innocent is angry about that.

--Jake

 

[spring]

Why not find out who killer Michelle? If there was some evidence of sexual activity in that room, match that evidence to the killer. By evidence, we might be talking about DNA.... so match it to someone. If it matches Jason.... so what? But if it matches someone else, maybe you have your killer.

Of course, i realize some evidence might have been buried. I think everyone who thinks Jason is innocent is angry about that.

--Jake

has jason had any male friends in that bed? is it someone new to try to pin this murder on now instead of the sister?

 

[strach304]

Hi, Strach,

Do you have some reason to believe there was no evidence of sexual activity in that room? Just curious.

--Jake

I have no reason to believe there was. If it turns out there was unidentified semen then that's a big indication there was. We don't know that, neither do you and LE didn't know that when they requested it. Those results would be back now. I have been saying repeatedly to you that the SA kit isn't proof there were indicators. Don't remember which report it was but Johnson, Harrison or Pennica even said that a request for a SA kit didn't mean there were signs of a SA.

 

[jilly]

Taximom - it says alot to me as well considering the recent spokes person for the Young family indicates he believes this is entertainment fodder and people on message boards just like to wallow in other peoples grief. Wonder what Spencer really thinks about Jake being here? I said in the beginning, and still believe, the Petersons are going to look like saints before this one is over. JMO

I didn't think that was possible but now I'm beginning to think otherwise as well. That attitude of how dare they accuse our jy:furious: or how dare they take the mother's luggage:boohoo: instead of focusing on the fact that their daughter/sister-in-law had just been bludgeoned to death!!

Shielding jy:chicken: from LE;Striding into the funeral glaring at the media; refusing to request the public's help in finding the murder; unwilling to even make a comment to the media about how much they loved & will miss Michelle; failing to attend the memorial for Michelle. .

I think the only reason they went to the funeral was to support their :chicken: . These people boggle my mind! The murder investigation of their daughter/sister-in-law has invaded their privacy! Ho Hum and :boohoo: Is this what happens when you live in a one horse town with a population of 7,000? Big shots in their quaint little element, I suppose. Well....tick tock, tick tock, it's all gonna come down like a hammer if their little :chicken: is charged with MURDER. Big City. Big Trial and Big Media. I may even get a ticket to Raleigh to get a good seat!

 

[jake]

Thanks Sami, I had just replied to a post at CTV where it was thrown our that possibly the prosecutor was doing damage control by leaking it. So I went back over there right away to post your link and set that issue to rest!

Scandi

I agree, Sami... thanks for the post. Good article. I don't agree that Scandi set anything to rest. I've snipped two sentences from the article:

"Just this week, we did learn some new information. As investigators do, we went back and reread the case file."

I think someone gave AL some "new information". I think this new information had something to do with sex, and that led AL to go back and reread the case file.

I think then AL noticed what Hawthorn and others noticed two months ago. Let's hear it now for.... Hawthorn for editor! Sami for reporter!

So..... who gave AL the information?? Anybody can guess.

--Jake

 

[snowshuze]

I didn't think that was possible but now I'm beginning to think otherwise as well. That attitude of how dare they accuse our jy:furious: or how dare they take the mother's luggage:boohoo: instead of focusing on the fact that their daughter/sister-in-law had just been bludgeoned to death!!

Shielding jy:chicken: from LE;Striding into the funeral glaring at the media; refusing to request the public's help in finding the murder; unwilling to even make a comment to the media about how much they loved & will miss Michelle; failing to attend the memorial for Michelle. .

I think the only reason they went to the funeral was to support their :chicken: . These people boggle my mind! The murder investigation of their daughter/sister-in-law has invaded their privacy! Ho Hum and :boohoo: Is this what happens when you live in a one horse town with a population of 7,000? Big shots in their quaint little element, I suppose. Well....tick tock, tick tock, it's all gonna come down like a hammer if their little :chicken: is charged with MURDER. Big City. Big Trial and Big Media. I may even get a ticket to Raleigh to get a good seat!

We will, of course, expect daily reports.

 

[strach304]

Why not find out who killer Michelle? If there was some evidence of sexual activity in that room, match that evidence to the killer. By evidence, we might be talking about DNA.... so match it to someone. If it matches Jason.... so what? But if it matches someone else, maybe you have your killer.

Of course, i realize some evidence might have been buried. I think everyone who thinks Jason is innocent is angry about that.

--Jake

Everything you just said is what we've been telling you. No SA examination does not equal rape or consensual sex. There would be other indicators such as unidentified dna. Only LE knows that. If they used a condom what do you think they would've found? Hair? It's very common to shave. Skin cells? and so...like you said if they belong to Jason then so what. Hard to believe someone could've killed her the way they did and not leave dna, prints, etc. much less an act of sex on top of it. If they only found Jasons that's a problem imo. not a so what.

 

[strach304]

I agree, Sami... thanks for the post. Good article. I don't agree that Scandi set anything to rest. I've snipped two sentences from the article:

"Just this week, we did learn some new information. As investigators do, we went back and reread the case file."

I think someone gave AL some "new information". I think this new information had something to do with sex, and that led AL to go back and reread the case file.

I think then AL noticed what Hawthorn and others noticed two months ago. Let's hear it now for.... Hawthorn for editor! Sami for reporter!

So..... who gave AL the information?? Anybody can guess.

--Jake

Are you admitting something again Jake? Or assuming something again?

 

[jilly]

DD, good point and look how many theories and suspects were brought up in the SP case. Didn't matter if they were reasonable or had evidence for that suspicion or anything else. Never changed the fact that it always led back to Scott. All the so-called coincidences we're supposed to believe and Jason just has the worst luck in the world.

Citygirl, I do agree it's disgusting. His only interest is keeping Jason out of jail, doesn't matter if he did it imo. We've ascertained that Jason didn't respect Michelle so why would he?

:clap: Good point Strach!

 

[strach304]

:laugh:

has jason had any male friends in that bed? is it someone new to try to pin this murder on now instead of the sister?

You're sooo bad. :innocent:

 

[strach304]

:clap: Good point Strach!

Thank you, thank you very much :blowkiss:

 

[jake]

Charlie, you said, "I too have wondered about "why now" but I think I have a little bit different take on it. I won't disagree it should have been noticed in January when the AR was released. I am wondering and actually more inclined to think the raising of this issue now may be in response to case assembly rather than just routine review. I only say that for one reason, assembling the case responds to posed questions about the case."

I got to thinking about the fact Amanda should have noticed there was no rape testing done, seeing as all of us noticed it right away. Then I remembered in the last few days here Jake stated when he wrote to Amanda in Feb that is one of the concerns he had - there having been no test, and said he told her about that. That means she has been aware of it for over 2 months! So why now?

I also thought it could be a leak from the prosecution on purpose to let it out now instead of during trial. But I think your idea of case assembly is very good, if you are thinking they are putting the case together now, working out the details of their strategy. In doing that they forulated a plan to deal with the fact the test was not given when requested.

Scandi


ETA: I just read through this whole thread and those posts have been deleted!

Hmmm. Sounds like a plan to me, Scandi. So, you seem to think not LE but the DA whispered in AL's ear. Which means the DA threw the ME's butt into the fire. That means we probably will be hearing more from Mr. Butts and his employees. Can't wait!

Poofed? Yeah, and Jeana almost poofed me. Maybe he/she's a fill-in for Chico? I'm on my best behavior with 7 posters on ignore so I won't be baited. Soon I'll be talking to myself.... and answering. Tell me if I say something stupid.

--Jake

 

[jake]

Are you admitting something again Jake? Or assuming something again?

Nope. Don't talk to Ms. Lamb. Any info I learn goes to LE!

--Jake

 

[scandi]

has jason had any male friends in that bed? is it someone new to try to pin this murder on now instead of the sister?

Thanks for your abject honesty! Possibilities abound, as we really don't know. Lordie Do, who would have ever expected Scott Peterson to drag a guy home from the bar and cavort with him in his and Laci's bed. That really did frost me!

Kind of O/T here now, but when you look at some of these men who have been found guilty of murder involving a wife or SO, both Peterson men had illicit sex with a guy. I think Phil Spector is a bit off the wall sexually. You guys could probably think of many situations like this, but it would be an interesting study in the future. For a Psyche major! LOL