Michelle Young, pregnant mom, murdered Part 19

[strach304]

A copy of the complete inventory from the residence would be in R. Smith's hands by law. Same with the warrant from the SUV - wanna bet the condoms were in the SUV and not the residence ?

ETA - remember Jake admits he mis-reads a lot.

Haven't seen the warrant for luggage either. So did you find what you were looking for last night?

Scandi, sorry I didn't answer your question about the coinkydink last night, I didn't know what you meant exactly. I only know what RC said. Where did you see that?

 

[strach304]

i think the latest chapter in that book didn't go over so well. i think it has opened even more eyes to what kind of game is being played in the name of Michelle.

as for blood, doesn't it mean that if jake saw purple or blue, that blood was wiped up? it wasn't seen to the naked eye, but the substance turned that color in the presence of blood? is that right?

Nothing came of all the Meredith issues and we know LE has investigated her extensively. Then I'm betting he dropped that and the robbery together after seeing the warrant along with Barney's insurance info about the jewelry. I do know in the Coral Rose case in Florida LE took the fathers cash. As for JTF claiming LE asked for descriptions during interviews of the jewelry, wouldn't they do that to make sure it was all there?

Now it's a combination of sexual assault and incompetence of LE and ME because they know the rape kit wasn't done. Suddenly the material witness questions surface. Can you get in trouble for throwing evidence away that you didn't know was evidence because LE left it. Again LE incompetence and evidence of someone else that LE didn't collect=reasonable doubt?

 

[scandi]

i think the latest chapter in that book didn't go over so well. i think it has opened even more eyes to what kind of game is being played in the name of Michelle.

as for blood, doesn't it mean that if jake saw purple or blue, that blood was wiped up? it wasn't seen to the naked eye, but the substance turned that color in the presence of blood? is that right?

Good Morning, and Hi Spring, I have a feeling the blue that Jake saw when he was at the crime scene was a special fingerprinting dust. I've always thought that, because I've seen it like that on TV, telling me it isn't all grafite colored like we think of it.

I remember when Amanda was standing outside the front door of the Young home, looking thru the glass panels on either side of the door. She said she saw a lot of evidence of fingerprinting. If she could easily see this in the hallway downstairs, imagine what it looked like up in the MBr!

Scandi

 

[scandi]

Haven't seen the warrant for luggage either. So did you find what you were looking for last night?

Scandi, sorry I didn't answer your question about the coinkydink last night, I didn't know what you meant exactly. I only know what RC said. Where did you see that?

'Mornin Strach ;}

When we first read the SW on Birchleaf I know we questioned that the inventory list seemed incomplete. In fact it seemed it was short some pages. So I think at that point smart posters here told us LE evidently chose not to make everything open to the public, which explained that.

It would have been either on the SUV or home SWs, and I don't think there were seperate warrants for these things. That is why whoever the friend was who supposedly told Jake they had taken an unused package of condems knew about this. I don't think you can seal part of a SW, and we haven't seen any sealed ones come back.

BTW, In a discussion on the Spector case at CTV, they discussed Ca law re evidence. The knowledgable poster there did say if someone takes something from a crime scene and witholds it or keeps it, they are subject to being charged for doing so. That would probably go for anything taken they eventually threw away IMHO. NC law is very different though that Ca.

Scandi

 

[Scout]

Good Morning, and Hi Spring, I have a feeling the blue that Jake saw when he was at the crime scene was a special fingerprinting dust. I've always thought that, because I've seen it like that on TV, telling me it isn't all grafite colored like we think of it.

I remember when Amanda was standing outside the front door of the Young home, looking thru the glass panels on either side of the door. She said she saw a lot of evidence of fingerprinting. If she could easily see this in the hallway downstairs, imagine what it looked like up in the MBr!

Scandi

Leucocrystal Violet (LCV) is most likely what Jake saw at the crime scene, imo.

http://www.bvda.com/EN/prdctinf/LCV_Bodziak.html

 

[scandi]

Strach, about that LE incompetance and reasonable doubt, yes it was a big blunder, but I'm wondering if this base can be covered in any other way.

We have not seen the final ME report. I think in an autopsy where the body is laid out naked on the table, all orifaces would be examined. Why exclude one? If Michelle looked pristine down in that area, no scratches, bruising swelling or discoloration, and no evidence of extra fluids up inside her, it might have been the reasoning for not doing the SA kit. This ME does things differently, and maybe they can explain the lack of need as there were no visable signs of SA warranting the test. Therefore no SA occured.

I also think if they had found evidence of semen on the bedding or anywhere, they would have gone back to take DNA from all the men in the circle of known friends if it wasn't Jasons. We would have heard that, as we did hear when they went to friends and family to fingerprint them for matching.

Scandi

 

[scandi]

Thanks Scout! ;} BTW, I did post a good link to the 'Murder On A Quiet Street" article in People in the links section if you want it for your site. What a great presentation you have there, and it looks like you are expanding it a bit into other crimes. Scandi

 

[spring]

Leucocrystal Violet (LCV) is most likely what Jake saw at the crime scene, imo.

http://www.bvda.com/EN/prdctinf/LCV_Bodziak.html

that was pretty interesting. so from reading that, they probably took that carpet that they cut and were able to determine foot impressions from it then, right? they surely have a lot of evidence in this case. thinking about it being in a relatively small area, i wonder just how much Meredith checking her would have changed the dynamics of what was left.

 

[strach304]

Scandi, we still don't know where the luggage was. It wasn't listed in the SUV. Perhaps it was taken at the hotel or there was a second car. Why would Jason move his luggage into a different vehicle? Yes, we know the inventory taken from the house wasn't a full list.

As for the SA kit and incompetence, I'm not saying it will hold up in court. I thought I posted a link here last week or so describing what is done in a rape case. The swabs were one of the things listed so I agree the ME may have done those and said you don't need both. Remember Geragos insisting the bar-b-que sauce was blood and there wasn't enough of a sample left for the defense to do their own test?

 

[Bellgardin]

Good Morning, and Hi Spring, I have a feeling the blue that Jake saw when he was at the crime scene was a special fingerprinting dust. I've always thought that, because I've seen it like that on TV, telling me it isn't all grafite colored like we think of it.

I remember when Amanda was standing outside the front door of the Young home, looking thru the glass panels on either side of the door. She said she saw a lot of evidence of fingerprinting. If she could easily see this in the hallway downstairs, imagine what it looked like up in the MBr!

Scandi

Fingerprinting powder comes in an array of colors for different types of materials and applications. I learned that in a community policing course I took with the police department where I live. I always thought it was only one color, but it's not!

 

[Bellgardin]

Leucocrystal Violet (LCV) is most likely what Jake saw at the crime scene, imo.

http://www.bvda.com/EN/prdctinf/LCV_Bodziak.html

Thanks for the link. That was a really fascinating article! Very informative.

 

[jake]

'Mornin Strach ;}

When we first read the SW on Birchleaf I know we questioned that the inventory list seemed incomplete. In fact it seemed it was short some pages. So I think at that point smart posters here told us LE evidently chose not to make everything open to the public, which explained that.

It would have been either on the SUV or home SWs, and I don't think there were seperate warrants for these things. That is why whoever the friend was who supposedly told Jake they had taken an unused package of condems knew about this. I don't think you can seal part of a SW, and we haven't seen any sealed ones come back.

BTW, In a discussion on the Spector case at CTV, they discussed Ca law re evidence. The knowledgable poster there did say if someone takes something from a crime scene and witholds it or keeps it, they are subject to being charged for doing so. That would probably go for anything taken they eventually threw away IMHO. NC law is very different though that Ca.

Scandi

That relieves my mind. I didn't see a crime scene.

--Jake

 

[jake]

Jake, are you insinuating that Michelle caught Jason (and whomever) in a compromising position when she got home from work that Thursday evening?

If you say so, Scout. Makes as much sense as some other theories.... condoms in the jewelry drawers so take the whole drawers???

--Jake

 

[jake]

I'm sure my question isn't in the direction he wanted this discussion to go, but his decision to be so cryptic and coy with his remarks leaves the field wide open. Should I assume that the hints of sexual activity are about evidence that points away from Jason simply because the source believes he is innocent? That doesn't seem prudent to me. After all, he seemed to think the blood smears in the shower and Cassidy's bloody footprints in the hall bath supported the theory of someone else killing Michelle. I, and many others, saw those things as implicating Jason.

I asked a simple question about why she believes what she believes. Is this my answer: I am being "cryptic and coy"? OK, you answered for her. Thank you.

--Jake

 

[scandi]

That relieves my mind. I didn't see a crime scene.

--Jake

That's because you were in NC. Had it been Ca, after LE takes down the yellow tape is the time when those from the defenses corner are allowed to walk thru the crime scene. Then the cleaners come in.

Gee, that does kind of sound like what happened with the Young home, so possibly this part of the law is the same in both states. I know their laws on evidence are different though.

Even though the tape is down it is still a crime scene - the location where the crime was perpetrated. Scandi

 

[Bellgardin]

I'm trying to catch up on the latest. Have read sporadically since Friday , am caught up on the absence of SA exam etc.

Am I to ascertain from this post that you are inferring that the victim was having a sexual relationship with someone other than her husband ?

Is that the so called "sex angle" ?

And that this contributed to her death ?

If I am reading this correctly , you'd best have some real facts to support such an accusation.

Please respond as swiftly as possible to clear this up.

Jake, what about clearing these questions up. You never responded to this. I'm mighty curious as to your answer.

 

[jake]

"Jason dearly loved Michelle" says Spencer Smith, who lived down the street from where Jason grew up in Brevard, N.C. "He was looking forward with a reat deal of anticipation to the son that was going to be born. That's a double loss to him".

Young, too, "Dearly loves Cassidy", says his friend Spencer Smith.

The notion that Young could have been having an affair with Money - a part time community college math teacher who lives in Ocoee, Fla, with her husband Steve, 34, a golf course superintendent, and their 2 year old son - "Would absolutely floor me" Smith says. "He's always been an ethical man".

Typed up from my copy of People magazine dated January 22 2007.

Sami

and edited coz I can't type all that fast

Sami, I hope you can explain your fascination with Spencer. He's Jason's friend. He has nothing to do with this murder investigation. You want him to read the board's comments and feel....what? Why not leave the man alone.

--Jake

 

[Bellgardin]

Okay, you're not one of the analytical ones. That's cool. It is what it is.

I'll try: Whatever was leaked to AL had to do with Michelle and sex. LE leaked it in a CYA move for when the sex angle comes out.

No "claim to fame" here. And I'm sure the more analytical posters will show up sometime and give us a better analysis.

--Jake

Whoops, my previous post should have included this one too because this is the post she was referring to. Sorry, still new at this quoting thing!

 

[spring]

Sami, I hope you can explain your fascination with Spencer. He's Jason's friend. He has nothing to do with this murder investigation. You want him to read the board's comments and feel....what? Why not leave the man alone.

--Jake

why did the camp involve him?

 

[jake]

snipped ++++++++++
I also think if they had found evidence of semen on the bedding or anywhere, they would have gone back to take DNA from all the men in the circle of known friends if it wasn't Jasons. We would have heard that, as we did hear when they went to friends and family to fingerprint them for matching.

Scandi

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And if LE had found evidence of semen, they would have taken the bedding, I reckon.

--Jake