Michelle Young, pregnant mom, murdered Part 19

[jake]

That's because you were in NC. Had it been Ca, after LE takes down the yellow tape is the time when those from the defenses corner are allowed to walk thru the crime scene. Then the cleaners come in.

Gee, that does kind of sound like what happened with the Young home, so possibly this part of the law is the same in both states. I know their laws on evidence are different though.

Even though the tape is down it is still a crime scene - the location where the crime was perpetrated. Scandi

Nope. Not a crime scene after LE releases it. A location, sure. Otherwise, when does it stop being a 'crime scene'?

--Jake

 

[scandi]

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And if LE had found evidence of semen, they would have taken the bedding, I reckon.

--Jake

We have only heard a rumor of a sheet with some blood on it being left at the crime scene, so far. Bedding infers more than a sheet.

Also Jake, this morning we learned that when the surface is fabric that has blood on it, it is usually best to do the testing at the scene, before anything is removed.

 

[scandi]

Nope. Not a crime scene after LE releases it. A location, sure. Otherwise, when does it stop being a 'crime scene'?

--Jake

I suppose when the scene is cleaned up. But if a Realtor walks through that bedroom tomorrow with a client and questions are asked about the murder, she would probably say something like this is where the crime scene was.

 

[spring]

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And if LE had found evidence of semen, they would have taken the bedding, I reckon.

--Jake

maybe they found semen on the carpeting they took.

 

[raisincharlie]

Sami, I hope you can explain your fascination with Spencer. He's Jason's friend. He has nothing to do with this murder investigation. You want him to read the board's comments and feel....what? Why not leave the man alone.

--Jake

Not so Jake, he has made certain claims on Jy's behalf in the public media. His comments relate specifically to this murder investigation. Fair enough to measure those words and size them up to known aspects of the case.

Are you saying the man who claims message boards are entertainment fodder does indeed read said message boards ? Does this also imply there is the public side degrading message boards and posters while the private side is actively roaming on the boards they publically chastise? How odd.

 

[Bellgardin]

Nope. Not a crime scene after LE releases it. A location, sure. Otherwise, when does it stop being a 'crime scene'?

--Jake

Jake, if you can see this, am I on ignore or are you just ignoring me manually??

Just curious!!!

 

[scandi]

To clarify the 'crime scene' question, I think after the scene is cleaned and the 'scene' is no longer visable, it is then called 'the scene of the crime'.

I think that is important, because often I have seen where CSI will go back to the exact scene of the crime to look for other evidence they might have missed. It always remains the scene of the crime even though you might not know it by looking at it.

BTW, often they do find things that were either missed or not seemingly related to the crime at the time.

 

[jake]

We have only heard a rumor of a sheet with some blood on it being left at the crime scene, so far. Bedding infers more than a sheet.

Also Jake, this morning we learned that when the surface is fabric that has blood on it, it is usually best to do the testing at the scene, before anything is removed.

I reckon that explains why LE didn't take it. Still, if the DA plans to use any evidence gained, wouldn't he have to give the defense a chance to examine the evidence?

By the way, do you know if there is a difference between LE and CCBI? I mean, are we accurate on the board when we say LE investigated the crime scene? You know how I am about accuracy.

--Jake

 

[Bellgardin]

To clarify the 'crime scene' question, I think after the scene is cleaned and the 'scene' is no longer visable, it is then called 'the scene of the crime'.

I think that is important, because often I have seen where CSI will go back to the exact scene of the crime to look for other evidence they might have missed. It always remains the scene of the crime even though you might not know it by looking at it.

BTW, often they do find things that were either missed or not seemingly related to the crime at the time.

I've heard that even after cleaning, the blood will still be visible at a crime scene (with luminol or such) even years later, but you just can't see it with the naked eye. The only way to come close to getting rid of it is to replace all of the flooring and walls.

 

[QueenBee]

While looking back over the search warrants on WRAL I noticed that on the search warrant for JY's vehicle, on the last page you can see that there were 3 more items #13 thru #15 that are not available for viewing.

BF, when you looked at the warrants were you able to view them each individually or just the bundle? Could they seal the last page only?

 

[jake]

To clarify the 'crime scene' question, I think after the scene is cleaned and the 'scene' is no longer visable, it is then called 'the scene of the crime'.

I think that is important, because often I have seen where CSI will go back to the exact scene of the crime to look for other evidence they might have missed. It always remains the scene of the crime even though you might not know it by looking at it.

BTW, often they do find things that were either missed or not seemingly related to the crime at the time.

Okay. If I took something from that location, or threw something away I found at that location, I believe LE could not arrest me. I believe the location was no longer THE crime scene. It's a location I need to clean up.

--Jake

 

[scandi]

Here is an article about a contended piece of missing evidence taken from a crime scene after LAPD was finished and the defense did their sweep of the scene. Spector case:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/eonline/20070503/en_music_eo/a7f7061279a7_4efa_93ea_4eab8c05b2d6

 

[QueenBee]

I reckon that explains why LE didn't take it. Still, if the DA plans to use any evidence gained, wouldn't he have to give the defense a chance to examine the evidence?

By the way, do you know if there is a difference between LE and CCBI? I mean, are we accurate on the board when we say LE investigated the crime scene? You know how I am about accuracy.

--Jake

Yes, CCBI is a completely different entity.

 

[raisincharlie]

While looking back over the search warrants on WRAL I noticed that on the search warrant for JY's vehicle, on the last page you can see that there were 3 more items #13 thru #15 that are not available for viewing.

BF, when you looked at the warrants were you able to view them each individually or just the bundle? Could they seal the last page only?

Item 13 - 1 Dell computer with black case - Lattitude D620

Item 14 - assorted papers

Item 15 - Precision Tune work order for July 14, 2006

 

[scandi]

Okay. If I took something from that location, or threw something away I found at that location, I believe LE could not arrest me. I believe the location was no longer THE crime scene. It's a location I need to clean up.

--Jake

Had Jasons lawyer already had his team walk thru the crime scene? When you were there the scene was still there, not cleaned up, but you evidently had approval to start the cleaning.

They do things differently in NC. In Los Angeles, the LAPD does the initial investigation of the crime scene. Then come the defense team followed by the DA's team. 'Initial' tells me LAPD can come back in to do further testing and that it remains under their auspices {sp} until the cleaning crew is called in.

Did they give you any special instructions?



ETA: Heaven forbid the thought we will someday have to post an article talking about a missing piece of potential evidence in this case when it is at trial !

 

[spring]

Had Jasons lawyer already had his team walk thru the crime scene? When you were there the scene was still there, not cleaned up, but you evidently had approval to start the cleaning.

They do things differently in NC. In Los Angeles, the LAPD does the initial investigation of the crime scene. Then come the defense team followed by the DA's team. 'Initial' tells me LAPD can come back in to do further testing and that it remains under their auspices {sp} until the cleaning crew is called in.

Did they give you any special instructions?



ETA: Heaven forbid the thought we will someday have to post an article talking about a missing piece of potential evidence in this case when it is at trial !

this may be a weird question, and i don't know if the box of condoms is still at issue, but why did the family need to be hyped up about a box of condoms and taking them to jason? did they think he was in a hurry to use them now? just curious.

 

[Bellgardin]

this may be a weird question, and i don't know if the box of condoms is still at issue, but why did the family need to be hyped up about a box of condoms and taking them to jason? did they think he was in a hurry to use them now? just curious.

Since it seems that they don't believe that JY was having an affair they must assume they weren't JY's? But, do we know where they took them from? I mean, were they from the house or the car? It would be pretty hard to argue they weren't his if for instance, they came from his car.

 

[scandi]

this may be a weird question, and i don't know if the box of condoms is still at issue, but why did the family need to be hyped up about a box of condoms and taking them to jason? did they think he was in a hurry to use them now? just curious.

Hi Spring,

I've been trying to learn more about the procedures of the CCBI, and happened upon this link to a fascinating read:

http://truecrimeblog.blogspot.com/2006/11/of-janet-abaroa-and-michelle-young-and.html#links

We all read Steve Huff, and he belongs to WS, in fact saw him reading here on another case last night. Maybe he'll slip in here tonight, for I would love to hear what he has to say with the new updates in the case.


Anyway, I am going to retreive a little Snippet for you Spring that I think is pertinent to your thoughts.

Snippet
"This case will not go away any time soon — it is too complex and intriguing.

Husbands who kill their wives either make them disappear, make it look like robbery, or sometimes try to make the slaying look like a sex crime — and the signal that the killer wasn’t after anything but death is often that there wasn’t any sex after all. Steve Huff

 

[Scout]

If you say so, Scout. Makes as much sense as some other theories.... condoms in the jewelry drawers so take the whole drawers???

--Jake

What? Are you saying the condoms were stolen by the killer, too?

 

[Scout]

I asked a simple question about why she believes what she believes. Is this my answer: I am being "cryptic and coy"? OK, you answered for her. Thank you.

--Jake

You've lost me, Jake. Why who believes what she believes?

My posts were in response to your persistent hints about some sort of sexual activity in relation to the murder. You seem to think that you know something that you won't just come out and say. Your habit of tossing out crumbs and seeing what others will make of them is annoying and frustrating. You don't seem to mind that until someone makes something that you didn't intend for them to make. What's that saying about the best laid plans of mice and men?