Michelle Young, pregnant mom, murdered Part 19

[spring]

Gives a whole new meaning to 'What was I thinking??!!"

Do you think they had sex more than once? I'm not so sure.....I mean, at the very least, how could she live with the fact that she had sex with her best friend's husband?

that should have been enough to make her never touch alcohol again! haha

i want to know if Michelle knew.

 

[The Saint]

Well, you can judge for yourself:
Does this:
http://instapunk.com/images/howdy-doody.jpg
PLUS this:
http://helsinki.usembassy.gov/images/conan3.jpg
EQUAL this?

http://wral.com/news/local/image/1066008/

I do see an uncanny resemblance. Although, if you threw Alfred E. Neuman into the blend, now that just might complete it:
http://www.nofear.org/Archives/Media/2003/07/alfred_neuman.jpg

Of course this is all JMO! And LOL at MM only ADMITTING to one time, with beer (or wine) goggles!

yes.
but can it drive a man to murder?

 

[The Saint]

that should have been enough to make her never touch alcohol again! haha

i want to know if Michelle knew.

he knew both michelles in the biblical sense.

i think michelleY knew what was going on between MichelleM and jay.

 

[The Saint]

Gives a whole new meaning to 'What was I thinking??!!"

Do you think they had sex more than once? I'm not so sure.....I mean, at the very least, how could she live with the fact that she had sex with her best friend's husband?

i don't think it was "all that."
if it were, MM would be eager to see him again.
she cancelled the trip to Raleigh for Homecoming and i suspect she was making an excuse by saying her son was sick.

ETA: well, she probably feels lucky to be alive considering what happened to the other michelle.

 

[jilly]

i don't think it was "all that."
if it were, MM would be eager to see him again.
she cancelled the trip to Raleigh for Homecoming and i suspect she was making an excuse by saying her son was sick.

You're probably right about "all that". I wonder how many other women he's been with. I was kind of glad PEOPLE did the article. I was hoping that others would come forward.

I can sure see why she cancelled Raleigh. That would have been more than awkward.

 

[spring]

You're probably right about "all that". I wonder how many other women he's been with. I was kind of glad PEOPLE did the article. I was hoping that others would come forward.

I can sure see why she cancelled Raleigh. That would have been more than awkward.

if his preference was married women, who would come forward? kinda scary!

 

[The Saint]

You're probably right about "all that". I wonder how many other women he's been with. I was kind of glad PEOPLE did the article. I was hoping that others would come forward.

I can sure see why she cancelled Raleigh. That would have been more than awkward.

i think LE knows exactly who was sleeping with jay. he's not talking to the law but he talks to other people about the women he's bedded. 100+ have been interviewed.

he hit on many women. it's no secret.

 

[jilly]

if his preference was married women, who would come forward? kinda scary!

Good point.

 

[jilly]

i think LE knows exactly who was sleeping with jay. he's not talking to the law but he talks to other people about the women he's bedded. 100+ have been interviewed.

he hit on many women. it's no secret.

Very interesting. Thank you.

 

[scandi]

Oh, I fell asleep cause I have a throbbing abcessed tooth and am about to die!~

Glad I woke up though cause this is an interesting conversation. I keep asking myself, what, what could pose such a threat to Jason that he would kill to eliminate it.

I should ask it a different way. What did Michelle know that posed such a threat to someone it would be enough to anniilhate her in two ways- off the face of the earth and as a person, with over 30 blunt force trauma hits to her head! So many hits that they malformed her face - her countenance, that lit up the lives of so many people who treasured her as a dear friend. That is very personal and pointed and had to be very necessary to the person that did this in reclaiming his self-image of himself so he could go on in life, unnoticed and be the way he wanted to be, which made him happy.

WOW, POWERful, eh!~ Much more so than stopping the throbbing pain of a tooth gone bad. It would have to be something that would claw at your psych day and night, enough to make you go kind of loco, wondering what you would do or how you would survive for one day if you looked up into someone's eyes and realized, OMG, they must know!

Something like that, the fear of being discovered, could be the reason why she was killed, and in such a vicious way. I said earlier I think she had discovered something and it was going to be the reason she no longer wanted to share his life. And to protect her rights and her babies, she would be using this in a divorce settlement to where he might be lucky if he ever saw his children again except in pictures.

Wouldn't that do it? Hmmm, got any ideas what on earth could be so off the wall for him that he would never want it to become public, and expecially to keep his babies away from him? Saint?

 

[strach304]

Spring, you have a very good point which may be how MM first felt as well. I do know that LE will try to be as discrete as possible when situations like this present themselves. It doesn't come out unless they have to testify at a trial. Noone would ever come forward and give them info otherwise. I don't doubt there are more that we don't know about but LE does.

Scandi, Wow! is right. You put a lot into that post. I'm gonna have to read it three more times. It doesn't have to be what we may deem unimportant or not critical so to speak for it to be a very powerful motive to the killer. When you look at so many murder cases how often is there an overwhelming motive? With SP he wanted freedom with no strings attached. No matter how hard I try to come up with something I always find myself going back to "why?" Why did they have to kill them?

 

[scandi]

Too bad motive isn't as important as means and opportunity when it comes to looking at a murder case, It is the one thing the DA doesn't have to prove, BUT, if one discovers what threat the killer could not live with, it will solve your case, and the killer will pop right out there in your mind - unmasked.

Dr Keith Albow said this during the Laci Peterson murder case, and said it is the one common thread that occurs in familial murder. The killer has to eliminate the threat so he can go on in life and be happy.


We do have a few clues here about the POI, that is forum style clues that hopefully have been developed by LE into facts:

* Sex w/ MM only once. WOW, after 3 months of daily contact that seems wildly telling to me now. Their relationship was an old friendship. Both had problems in their marriage. Basicly platonic, he began to depend on her, MM, and due to alcohol consumption, one night got away from them, and they had sex. I can see that being the way it really was - I don't think there was an overwhelming passion between MM and Jason.

* Jake told us {if you choose to believe him as he doesn't always speak plainly} that Meredith knew something of a derogatory nature about Jason that she did not want to share with LE. Jason had a secret.

* Michelle sought the advice of a therapist, the notes of which were ordered by a judge to be turned over to the prosecutor after she was murdered. The legal reason for this is Michelle was evidently in imminent danger from what was learned by the therapist.

* The therapist was an odd choice for regular counseling. She was covered by insurance from CO, but many therapists were that dealt with regular family counseling. I read their names and specialties listed. This therapists specialty was transgender issues, helping those in need with this situation to be accepted by society and also how to maintain and re-establish family bonds in light of their differences. I read that in a link about her practice. That was the concentration of her family counseling, to further help the client, as family acceptance is so important in these cases. A recent discovery of a sexual change in her husband, and his threat to kill her if she ever mentioned a word about it, could be the reason she chose this specific therapist. She would know how Michelle should handle this situation.

Well, I might be all wet, but it seems to add up for me, at least with what I have learned at this point. Scandi

 

[scandi]

Now I wish we could get some info from people who know Jason. What is he like to meet in person. What do you see when you look into his eyes? When you shake his hand what is it like. His fingers look long and quite thin. Are they somewhat delicate to the touch? Do you say Euuuww, or Ohhhhh! What is his regular manner of speech, his gait, how he sits when watching TV, or when he eats, especially things like mashed potatoes and ice cream? Has he developed any mannerisms lately?

All just simple little tips that help give the persona of a man, that is what we need to look at I think. How in the world will we ever find this out?

 

[Floh]

Gives a whole new meaning to 'What was I thinking??!!"

Do you think they had sex more than once? I'm not so sure.....I mean, at the very least, how could she live with the fact that she had sex with her best friend's husband?

And yet she lives still. there are many women who get over betraying their best friend, i would think. you hear about it all the time.

 

[scandi]

And yet she lives still. there are many women who get over betraying their best friend, i would think. you hear about it all the time.

The truth has a mysterious, funny way of being discovered!
Scandi

 

[athy]

Too bad motive isn't as important as means and opportunity when it comes to looking at a murder case, It is the one thing the DA doesn't have to prove, BUT, if one discovers what threat the killer could not live with, it will solve your case, and the killer will pop right out there in your mind - unmasked.

Dr Keith Albow said this during the Laci Peterson murder case, and said it is the one common thread that occurs in familial murder. The killer has to eliminate the threat so he can go on in life and be happy.


We do have a few clues here about the POI, that is forum style clues that hopefully have been developed by LE into facts:

* Sex w/ MM only once. WOW, after 3 months of daily contact that seems wildly telling to me now. Their relationship was an old friendship. Both had problems in their marriage. Basicly platonic, he began to depend on her, MM, and due to alcohol consumption, one night got away from them, and they had sex. I can see that being the way it really was - I don't think there was an overwhelming passion between MM and Jason.

* Jake told us {if you choose to believe him as he doesn't always speak plainly} that Meredith knew something of a derogatory nature about Jason that she did not want to share with LE. Jason had a secret.

* Michelle sought the advice of a therapist, the notes of which were ordered by a judge to be turned over to the prosecutor after she was murdered. The legal reason for this is Michelle was evidently in imminent danger from what was learned by the therapist.

* The therapist was an odd choice for regular counseling. She was covered by insurance from CO, but many therapists were that dealt with regular family counseling. I read their names and specialties listed. This therapists specialty was transgender issues, helping those in need with this situation to be accepted by society and also how to maintain and re-establish family bonds in light of their differences. I read that in a link about her practice. That was the concentration of her family counseling, to further help the client, as family acceptance is so important in these cases. A recent discovery of a sexual change in her husband, and his threat to kill her if she ever mentioned a word about it, could be the reason she chose this specific therapist. She would know how Michelle should handle this situation.

Well, I might be all wet, but it seems to add up for me, at least with what I have learned at this point. Scandi

in keeping with your train of thought here. a question i have is this; we've heard he's complained to females in the office that there were things sexually that Michelle wouldn't do and it "caused" him to look elsewhere as apparent by his relationship with MM. and also could be why they only had sex once...perhaps thats when he brought it up to MM and she said no way also.

i know their sexual life isn't really any of our business and i don't really expect an answer to this question. but what is it that Michelle wouldn't do sexually was it something out of the norm? and is it related to her visiting with the therapist and perhaps because as you said...threat of exposure is what was a factor in her murder?

 

[nanandjim]

...Do you think they had sex more than once? I'm not so sure.....I mean, at the very least, how could she live with the fact that she had sex with her best friend's husband?

This is what I don't understand. Now, if Jason were drop dead gorgeous and MM had secretly harbored a crush on him for years, maybe, it would happen once if you were totally drunk. Other than that, I just cannot see it...unless she was somehow jealous of MY and wanted to get prove that she was just as good for some sick reason. I personally think that MM has some serious personal issues.

 

[nanandjim]

...he hit on many women. it's no secret.

Yep, and that says that he had no love or respect for his spouse, which would go hand-in-hand with him showing no interest in finding her killer.

 

[The Saint]

(snipped)
* Jake told us {if you choose to believe him as he doesn't always speak plainly} that Meredith knew something of a derogatory nature about Jason that she did not want to share with LE. Jason had a secret.
(snipped) Scandi

Scandi,
I do think that jay had a secret. I believe that it was of a sexual nature and/or that he had gotten MM pregnant. It had to be something big enough, that if revealed, would have destroyed his carefully constructed image of himself that he presented to the world and his family.

Michelle Fisher researched things. I think that she chose the therapist for a reason - the therapist's special focus of her practice.

I wonder if jay propositioned Meredith or asked her to make a threesome with her sister and him (or a threesome w/ MF's boyfriend). Is this what she would be reluctant to tell police?

If she rebuffed him, this would provide another reason that he wanted to set her up to take the fall for the murder he committed.

 

[The Saint]

This is what I don't understand. Now, if Jason were drop dead gorgeous and MM had secretly harbored a crush on him for years, maybe, it would happen once if you were totally drunk. Other than that, I just cannot see it...unless she was somehow jealous of MY and wanted to get prove that she was just as good for some sick reason. I personally think that MM has some serious personal issues.

it is my understanding that MM and jay dated in college. i don't know if it was before or after (or during) the time he dated Michelle Fisher.