Michelle Young: Pregnant Mom, NC. part 7

[scandi]

I'll think on it! LOL I told you I joined at CTV in case I ever wanted to say something in reply to a post, but when I am in that position I get very insecure and think they're gonna :croc: . So I just come back over here, but really appreciate being able to discuss things with the best of both worlds, so to speak!

I'm thinking material is info gleaned off the computer as to how to do something, research phrases or meanings of words these docs would use, and the data part of it could be putting this new knowledge to use in drafting a clause to be inserted in a doc and even pulling the alledged will or insurance docs up in Word and deleting certain wording and inserting the new phraseology he has written.

I don't even know if this is possible, but I do my paysheet on the computer and change it every pay period in Word.

Just a thought!

 

[BarnGoddess]

HI Haypaula,

What I hope is that if JY killed Michelle, he did something as stupid as what you are suggesting. I think he was a lot of and bull as a person.
And since the murder scene showed high emotion where the murderer overdid the killing with all the blood, I just know there has to be something he did that will be caught by LE to call him on the murder. And it well could be something like you are thinking.

Like we used to say about SP, dumber than a box of rocks. This guy might prove to be equally as dumb if not more so, because he thought he was so smart!

Scandi

After reading about the warrant for the laptop, I am beginning to think that his downfall may very well be leaving his laptop in the Explorer, or bringing his laptop to Raleigh with him. If they find anything incriminating, he's toast.

I must have missed it, have we had any details of what was found on this laptop or his cell phone?

 

[scandi]

I don't think they've released anything about specific like this. What has been done is just our examining the probable cause for each warrant which gives us a possible direction they are going.

Scandi

 

[raisincharlie]

After reading about the warrant for the laptop, I am beginning to think that his downfall may very well be leaving his laptop in the Explorer, or bringing his laptop to Raleigh with him. If they find anything incriminating, he's toast.

I must have missed it, have we had any details of what was found on this laptop or his cell phone?

One of the things the identification and confirmation of siezure of this lap top tells me is JY couldn't seem to find a reasonable excuse to unload the Explorer while he was in Brevard or his parents were in too much of a hurry to get him back to Raleigh about Cassidy, he didn't have time to unload the Explorer. What else is in that Explorer I wonder - in his suitcase(s), breifcase and so forth. JMO

Frozen Tundra woman - are you doing okay ?

 

[raisincharlie]

I'll think on it! LOL I told you I joined at CTV in case I ever wanted to say something in reply to a post, but when I am in that position I get very insecure and think they're gonna :croc: . So I just come back over here, but really appreciate being able to discuss things with the best of both worlds, so to speak!

I'm thinking material is info gleaned off the computer as to how to do something, research phrases or meanings of words these docs would use, and the data part of it could be putting this new knowledge to use in drafting a clause to be inserted in a doc and even pulling the alledged will or insurance docs up in Word and deleting certain wording and inserting the new phraseology he has written.

I don't even know if this is possible, but I do my paysheet on the computer and change it every pay period in Word.

Just a thought!

Quite possible Scandi and since this warrant was released Friday it may also be the basis for the guy from AMW - SPECULATING what he said. Now it finally makes sense if taken in this context.

 

[scandi]

Could be Charlie - and what he said about it was it was 'highly questionable ~ but not enough to nail him!

Do you think he could glean it wasn't enough to get him arrested by itself from the probable cause of that warrant, or that after disecting that lap top and finding the materials and data, it came short of being reason by itself to arrest him?

ETA: Hey Charlie, do you think they examined the insurance papers and will with their experts and those experts found some suspicious things that could have been changed or altered by a lap top computer? So that is why the warrant on the lap top might have been drawn up in the first place with that as probable cause, and why it is so late in being returned?

 

[BarnGoddess]

That creates an interesting scenario. He hadn't arrived at Brevard, but LE had already called his parent's house? No time to unpack, just turn around and leave. I think I read his brother drove the Explorer back. Is it in the timeline how long he stayed in Brevard before returning to Raleigh? Wonder if the general warrant for the Explorer included anything else found in the Explorer?

BTW is the laptop for sale? Mmmmm wondering. My Christmas gift this year are two new computers. One new Dell desktop and one new Dell laptop. I have an Inspiron laptop, but have been looking into a Latitude. This case has made me wonder how to clean my Inspiron of personal info before I pass it onto my DIL. I really shouldn't worry because she grabs it the second she walks into our house and the next time I use it, everything has changed from my wallpaper to internet settings. I may just delete a couple of programs I paid big bucks for and let it go at that. I don't think I'll have a problem with anything there I don't want her to see. Oh, I'll delete any e-mail I may have picked up from there and delete my account from it. I have a wireless card on it, but she can have it.

It does make you think long and hard about what is on your computer that can incriminate you.

Charlie, we dug out just fine. See the chit chat thread. We did make it to town today for a couple of things I forgot at the store. I-70 is dry as a bone now, but the two lane highway is still a little dicey. The BarnGod found some grain today. The co-ops were closed, but a friend who has race horses had some rolled feed with soy beans and molasses mixed in and sold him four bags. That'll get us through until we can get our own. We find the soy beans an outstanding source of protein when you have to skimp on alfalfa and mix it with hybrid grasses. The BarnGod got a gift certificate to our local "western" and feed store, so we stopped by and he put it toward a new pair of Justin lace up work boots. Couldn't find a pair of Ariat's in his size. Geez, they're expensive. Oh, when I couldn't let go of a new purse and a Cruel Girl shirt, he let me have them also. He just doesn't know I had already been there and bought him a new Montana Silversmith watch. His big present is a trip to Cabela's in Sidney, Nebraska. The trip was interuppted when we lost power in the truck last Sunday on our way there. (That was the replacement of 2 injectors, plus changing oil, and all filters, at my 10% over cost, total bill of $900.00.)

 

[otto]

The WRAL link previously posted about the warrant has been updated:

"In describing what deputies sought with the warrant, Investigator B.T. David said it was a Dell Latitude laptop and "evidence that may aid in the identification of a possible suspect and the motivation for this homicide to include: digital evidence, diskettes, CD ROM, material relating to data used to commit the above offense, 'cookie' data files, Internet browser logs ... financial records, e-mails, instant messages" and several other kinds of computer files."

http://www.wral.com/news/local/story/1116706/

Hmmm - there is a statement here that was not present in other warrants for computers in this case - "material relating to data used to commit the above offense". That is a very interesting statement IMO.

Also, in the newsobserver article, it says: "Investigators have shown an interest in him, according to court records, and confiscated his travel records, two cell phones found in his SUV, another computer hard drive and various financial documents."

If the harddrive was in the computer, the police would have taken the entire computer and analysed the harddrive in a forensics lab. From this quote, I get the impression the harddrive had already been removed from the computer and the computer had a new one in it. Perhaps, based on other comments about Michelle being suspicious about Jason's infidelity, she replaced the harddrive and kept the old one in a safe place for evidence (in case she needed it). If that was the case, there was no trust in the marriage. She may also have been collecting all sorts of information on Jason and storing it on disk ... like emails between him and his Florida friend.

It's very easy to replace a harddrive ... just pop open the side panel of the computer box, pull out some cables, push them into the new hardware and load the software.

The insurance angle is interesting and if Michelle named Cassidy as the beneficiary, it makes perfect sense that Cassidy is still alive.

 

[raisincharlie]

Could be Charlie - and what he said about it was it was 'highly questionable ~ but not enough to nail him!

Do you think he could glean it wasn't enough to get him arrested by itself from the probable cause of that warrant, or that after disecting that lap top and finding the materials and data, it came short of being reason by itself to arrest him?

ETA: Hey Charlie, do you think they examined the insurance papers and will with their experts and those experts found some suspicious things that could have been changed or altered by a lap top computer? So that is why the warrant on the lap top might have been drawn up in the first place with that as probable cause, and why it is so late in being returned?

Scandi,

From just the warrants alone it is reasonable to assume that LE is checking wills, insurance issues, and financials - yes I would say it is also reasonable to assume if something questionable was found it would not necessarily be evidence capable of charging him with murder - maybe fraud or some other white collar crime but can anyone make the leap if JY changed an insurance policy he should be arrested for murder ? Not enough for me to say JY is guilty of murder. Safe assumption by itself to say something was questionable IMO.

At this point no one except LE/DA knows the outcome of all the computer forensics - that is not public record so anything speculated would be from the warrants alone. I think it is possible something was found and it could not be traced to the home computer so - LE went to this one. I also still wonder about the Library key card taken from the home - one could have access to library computers with that - seems an odd thing to collect on a search warrant without reason IMO.

 

[raisincharlie]

Also, in the newsobserver article, it says: "Investigators have shown an interest in him, according to court records, and confiscated his travel records, two cell phones found in his SUV, another computer hard drive and various financial documents."

If the harddrive was in the computer, the police would have taken the entire computer and analysed the harddrive in a forensics lab. From this quote, I get the impression the harddrive had already been removed from the computer and the computer had a new one in it. Perhaps, based on other comments about Michelle being suspicious about Jason's infidelity, she replaced the harddrive and kept the old one in a safe place for evidence (in case she needed it). If that was the case, there was no trust in the marriage. She may also have been collecting all sorts of information on Jason and storing it on disk ... like emails between him and his Florida friend.

It's very easy to replace a harddrive ... just pop open the side panel of the computer box, pull out some cables, push them into the new hardware and load the software.

The insurance angle is interesting and if Michelle named Cassidy as the beneficiary, it makes perfect sense that Cassidy is still alive.

I don't know Otto - in this neck of the woods LE takes the computer but the forensic boys remove the hard drive under a seperate warrant and mount just the drive in the lab racks for analysis. They may do it differently there - I don't know.

ETA - the other hard drive referenced may be the one from the Compac Presario found in the Young home.

 

[BarnGoddess]

Was one hard drive the external one from MM? I seem to recall one taken from her home in Florida. Do they call "jump drives" external drives? If so, I have a handful. Use them now for almost everything. Started in college classes for portability.

 

[Samiya]

Geez I must be BLIND!

"material relating to data used to commit the above offense".

Material ie; document, pictures, files etc and includes stored/favourites/saved to hard drive web site pages.

data ie, emails, faxes, remote print sends, internet documents/websites partaining to 'how to'
(If Jason did do this horrible crime, and he sent the fax/document then the fax/document then IS a part of the offense).

'How to' includes 'forging documents ie= wills.

In regards to the wills of both Michelle and Jason. I'm interested in whether or not they are 'home made' (will kits) or done via lawyers.

BarnGoddess: Glad to hear everything is ok over your way

Sami

 

[otto]

I don't know Otto - in this neck of the woods LE takes the computer but the forensic boys remove the hard drive under a seperate warrant and mount just the drive in the lab racks for analysis. They may do it differently there - I don't know.

ETA - the other hard drive referenced may be the one from the Compac Presario found in the Young home.

You're probably right, but it still seems to me that if the harddrive was removed in the home, there is a higher possibility of static charge and damage to the harddrive. Also, if the harddrive was already separate and there are a number of other electronic records that were seized, then I'm inclined to think that these may have all been stored together somewhere. Maybe they were even Jason's collection of information that he didn't want Michelle to have access to, but didn't want to erase ... just a thought. He would probably be very comfortable replacing a harddrive.

 

[scandi]

OMG Sami, OMG girlie, I never thought about the fax and the order to print it out! You are so right, as it could include that if he did it from this computer.

Pictures, pictures, and more pictures! Now what could it be with photos that would lead LE to believe he was the murderer? Maybe diagrams of where the head is most vulnerable, especially if you catch them when they are sleeping.

And BarnGoddess, you said "That creates an interesting scenario. He hadn't arrived at Brevard, but LE had already called his parent's house? No time to unpack, just turn around and leave. I think I read his brother drove the Explorer back"

Yea, that's when he fell to his knees at the anguish of the thought his luv was dead! And I bet he cried like a baby and lost it, so his parents would think he was devestated and beyond the point of living himself. NOT!

I do seem to think even if he did this crime and planned it as best he could, adreneline and inertia laced with hatred for her got the job done. And after it was all over and his folks found out what had happened, he must have felt a gnawing at his heart and disbelief in the fact he had done this himself.

Scandi

 

[pack_fan]

An interesting tibit. More than we have had in a week I suppose.

I am a bit put off about the life insurance. We also had to take up the matter of life insurance with the birth of our child and the spouse would basically have to sign away rights like previously mentioned. This seems like it would be difficult to work around, more likely that the amount of insurance had been increased recently. Or possible that MY's will had been changed recently would be a more likely scenerio imo if they had seperate wills. I would beleive that most couples their age would have simple "I do" wills where they would leave everything to one another. Very peculiar.

RC, I have been wondering about that library card as well. Guess they are checking up on Jy to see if he is checking out info on wills, insurance, or just possibly the newest version of, How to murder your spouse for dummies.

 

[raisincharlie]

Geez I must be BLIND!

"material relating to data used to commit the above offense".

Material ie; document, pictures, files etc and includes stored/favourites/saved to hard drive web site pages.

data ie, emails, faxes, remote print sends, internet documents/websites partaining to 'how to'
(If Jason did do this horrible crime, and he sent the fax/document then the fax/document then IS a part of the offense).

'How to' includes 'forging documents ie= wills.

In regards to the wills of both Michelle and Jason. I'm interested in whether or not they are 'home made' (will kits) or done via lawyers.

BarnGoddess: Glad to hear everything is ok over your way

Sami

Sami,

I'm with you - this lap top is, I think, the computer that keyed the print out. Being in sales I would think it has a program similar to "PC Anywhere" which would allow him to work just as if he was at his home computer. MM may have sent this but I suspect it was JY that printed it out - and I think it is very safe to say he most likely had contact with Ms. Money on 11/3/06. JMO

 

[raisincharlie]

An interesting tibit. More than we have had in a week I suppose.

I am a bit put off about the life insurance. We also had to take up the matter of life insurance with the birth of our child and the spouse would basically have to sign away rights like previously mentioned. This seems like it would be difficult to work around, more likely that the amount of insurance had been increased recently. Or possible that MY's will had been changed recently would be a more likely scenerio imo if they had seperate wills. I would beleive that most couples their age would have simple "I do" wills where they would leave everything to one another. Very peculiar.

:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

RC, I have been wondering about that library card as well. Guess they are checking up on Jy to see if he is checking out info on wills, insurance, or just possibly the newest version of, How to murder your spouse for dummies.

pack_fan,

I'm thinking if insurance changes, higher policy values, were made due to the fact MY was pregnant, these changes would have been made before the accident in May as she was also pregnant at that time. I don't think that is it, if anything has been done.

I'm more inclined to think if insurance or wills were altered it involved beneficiaries rather than value. I for some reason do not think MY was in any fear, but I do think she may have been close to being done with JY.

Something happened 3 months before she died - JY changes jobs and is gone usually 3 days a week or more, he takes up with her sorority sister - this is a guy who is distancing himself IMO. I don't think she missed the changes and something tells me she planned to take care of Cassidy and not worry about JY. I don't have a feel whether she advised him or he just found out on his own ( I suspect the former). In my mind there is a very specific reason why Cassidy is still alive, and there were several reasons why MF was called to pick up a fax. JMO

 

[scandi]

So Charlie, you can't leave me like that when I HAVE to go get these cookies of mine finished! LOL

Michelle changed her beneficiary to Cassidy, how would it benefit JY? The money would go for her care out of a trust I assume, and if Michelle had named her parents to care for her, he would get nothing out of it, would he?

What else besides getting Cassidy and discovering the body do you think are the reasons Meredith was called to go to the house?

 

[raisincharlie]

So Charlie, you can't leave me like that when I HAVE to go get these cookies of mine finished! LOL

Michelle changed her beneficiary to Cassidy, how would it benefit JY? The money would go for her care out of a trust I assume, and if Michelle had named her parents to care for her, he would get nothing out of it, would he?

What else besides getting Cassidy and discovering the body do you think are the reasons Meredith was called to go to the house?

Scandi,

MF provides JY with the first inkling of alibi as she would have told LE he was out of town traveling. She could also confirm this was fairly normal for him to be doing. MF presents the facade of normality IMO - we heard her on the tape say MY was supposed to be at work - also would seem normal. May or may not have been the case but to LE walking into that scene it would have been taken as normal. The only thing not normal was MF going to that house during the day...

Scandi - happy holidays to you, wish you and yours well and hope you all have a joyous time !

RC

 

[scandi]

Happy Holidays to you too Charlie and your wife and boys. And don't forget to give each of your horsies an apple and a small cube of sugar!

:blowkiss: Scandi