Michelle Young: Pregnant Mom, NC. part 7

[oceanblueeyes]

I haven't heard anything that they have validated an alibi for Jason at the exact time of Michelle's death, only an alibi for the time she was discovered which really means nothing, right?

So I think that's what Charlie is saying, that he might have been at the home when Michelle was killed, they just haven't found proof of that yet, or they are maybe not letting that out.

I did find it telling what he said about the will and ins papers {BTW I don't think they even mentioned that at CTV } being HIGHLY questionable but not enough to NAIL him on.

I like Ed too. Doesn't say much but it's all packed into the simplest and most specific words that tell the story. You can't easily listen to him and catch all the meaning of what he is saying Ocean, and really need a tape or transcript to see what he means with each word and where it is placed! He's a good one, Charlie Brown. That's why he's with AMW.

Hey, that was a fun job! I just threw my notes away and tried to write down every word, or close to it, that he said. Whew

Right the statements by his parents I am sure are truthful but really dont prove or disprove anything.

IMO

Ocean

 

[scandi]

I think if Jason hired a hitman it was someone he knew and he was right there alongside him. I say that becaquse I listened to Sami's tape and heard Cassidy very clearly say Daddy did it!

At least we got that tape really early, we were so fortunate to have Sami here then working on it. And I think her getting the word about the final transcription of it, that nothing on it about Cassidy can be discussed which means mountains to me.

 

[raisincharlie]

I haven't heard anything that they have validated an alibi for Jason at the exact time of Michelle's death, only an alibi for the time she was discovered which really means nothing, right?

So I think that's what Charlie is saying, that he might have been at the home when Michelle was killed, they just haven't found proof of that yet, or they are maybe not letting that out.

I did find it telling what he said about the will and ins papers {BTW I don't think they even mentioned that at CTV } being HIGHLY questionable but not enough to NAIL him on.

I like Ed too. Doesn't say much but it's all packed into the simplest and most specific words that tell the story. You can't easily listen to him and catch all the meaning of what he is saying Ocean, and really need a tape or transcript to see what he means with each word and where it is placed! He's a good one, Charlie Brown. That's why he's with AMW.

Hey, that was a fun job! I just threw my notes away and tried to write down every word, or close to it, that he said. Whew

Scandi,

Did Ed say the police told him this information directly as in he spoke with police and this is what they told him ( can't put JY at the house at the time of the murder) ? I know Ocean will hate me for this question but I have to say it is very odd that a guy with all this savy would repeat what police have told him - thereby making this information available to Jy's lawyer. Does not seem to be a good way of keeping a source very happy - JMO.

Or was this Ed saying there may be no arrest because perhaps LE cannot place him in the home at the TOD ?

 

[oceanblueeyes]

I think if Jason hired a hitman it was someone he knew and he was right there alongside him. I say that because I listened to Sami's tape and heard Cassidy very clearly say Daddy did it!

At least we got that tape really early, we were so fortunate to have Sami here then working on it. And I think her getting the word about the final transcription of it, that nothing on it about Cassidy can be discussed which means mountains to me.

I could hear "daddy" but I couldn't make the rest out. Some say they can hear it and some say they hear other things. You know how that goes lol

It just seems to me that if Cassidy saw him then LE surely could place him in that home and they would have the forensics to nail him. If he didnt even care that Cassidy saw him then imo he was not careful committing this crime at all.

Something is just not adding up.

IMO

Ocean

 

[scandi]

"If they have retraced his steps and LE is very competent in doing that then that IS his alibi. If the investigation shows him leaving at a certain time and not returning to Raleigh then I am not sure this case will ever be solved." Ocean

That means the hotel 1/2 hour away was probably not true. :doh:

He could have ridden back to the house with a buddy to help in the murder, and if they pulled into the garage and shut the door no one would see them. Or they could have parked behind and walked into the garage - remember the lights were on. I think that neighbor who posted at CTV is quite nosey. I bet he is the attorney that lives about 8 houses down.


I think we are placing too much emphasis on the fact LE has not been able to place him at the house at the time of the murder. They must have a lot of information that is not looking good for Jason, or they would have cleared him as a suspect and haven't done that yet! Hope springs eternal.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

Scandi,

Did Ed say the police told him this information directly as in he spoke with police and this is what they told him ( can't put JY at the house at the time of the murder) ? I know Ocean will hate me for this question but I have to say it is very odd that a guy with all this savy would repeat what police have told him - thereby making this information available to Jy's lawyer. Does not seem to be a good way of keeping a source very happy - JMO.

Or was this Ed saying there may be no arrest because perhaps LE cannot place him in the home at the TOD ?

LOL I see ya Charlie.

Do you watch Ed often? He always has the inside scoop on cases and is known to talk to those close to the investigation. I guess he is like John Walsh if he wants to know something all he has to do is contact someone.

IMO

Ocean

 

[oceanblueeyes]

"If they have retraced his steps and LE is very competent in doing that then that IS his alibi. If the investigation shows him leaving at a certain time and not returning to Raleigh then I am not sure this case will ever be solved." Ocean

That means the hotel 1/2 hour away was probably not true. :doh:

He could have ridden back to the house with a buddy to help in the murder, and if they pulled into the garage and shut the door no one would see them. Or they could have parked behind and walked into the garage - remember the lights were on. I think that neighbor who posted at CTV is quite nosey. I bet he is the attorney that lives about 8 houses down.


I think we are placing too much emphasis on the fact LE has not been able to place him at the house at the time of the murder. They must have a lot of information that is not looking good for Jason, or they would have cleared him as a suspect and haven't done that yet! Hope springs eternal.

How I wish that was true Scandi but they never clear anyone before an arrest is made. Just aint gonna happen. Heck LE knew right off the bat that Dan Horowitz didnt murder his wife but they never came out and cleared him.

IMO

Ocean

 

[raisincharlie]

LOL I see ya Charlie.

Do you watch Ed often? He always has the inside scoop on cases and is known to talk to those close to the investigation. I guess he is like John Walsh if he wants to know something all he has to do is contact someone.

IMO

Ocean

Maybe so but why the heck is he letting Jy's lawyer know this if he is repeating what LE has told him - that makes zero sense to me and seems actually quite messed up - I wouldn't give him anything else if he is going to go on tv and repeat it so some hot shot lawyer knows where the case stands. I doubt LE has told the lawyer they can or can't place JY there. That's my whole point with this question - he should not be speaking for LE period..

 

[oceanblueeyes]

Maybe so but why the heck is he letting Jy's lawyer know this if he is repeating what LE has told him - that makes zero sense to me and seems actually quite messed up - I wouldn't give him anything else if he is going to go on tv and repeat it so some hot shot lawyer knows where the case stands. I doubt LE has told the lawyer they can or can't place JY there. That's my whole point with this question - he should not be speaking for LE period..

I hadn't even thought about his lawyers but they may already know this and truly believe JY and what he has told them where he was and what all he did. They too can subpoena records to support his time line even JY can request them himself. They even have their own investigators on the case imo. I dont think they have stood still waiting for them to arrest JY. I think they are vigorously checking things out too. I think his lawyer is like the Duke lawyers....working this with gusto.

I didn't find Ed any different than he always is on other cases. He does know things that others do not.

Maybe AMW is going to be airing the Michelle Young case?

IMO

Ocean

 

[panthera]

I could hear "daddy" but I couldn't make the rest out. Some say they can hear it and some say they hear other things. You know how that goes lol

It just seems to me that if Cassidy saw him then LE surely could place him in that home and they would have the forensics to nail him. If he didnt even care that Cassidy saw him then imo he was not careful committing this crime at all.

Something is just not adding up.

IMO

Ocean

I heard "daddy" also, but couldn't discern the rest of the "context". At age 2, she certainly can't sit down with LE and give them a coherant statement which could be taken as an eyewitness account, so the police would need to build their case on other evidence.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

I heard "daddy" also, but couldn't discern the rest of the "context". At age 2, she certainly can't sit down with LE and give them a coherent statement which could be taken as an eyewitness account, so the police would need to build their case on other evidence.

Yes they are going to need irrefutable evidence that's for sure.

IMO

Ocean

 

[scandi]

When Ed said " . .but not enough to nail him", the way he said it said to me that the will and insurance papers, though highly questionable, were not enough to have him arrested for her murder.

I'm sending you a PM Ocean,

 

[raisincharlie]

I hadn't even thought about his lawyers but they may already know this and truly believe JY and what he has told them where he was and what all he did. They too can subpoena records to support his time line even JY can request them himself. They even have their own investigators on the case imo. I dont think they have stood still waiting for them to arrest JY. I think they are vigorously checking things out too. I think his lawyer is like the Duke lawyers....working this with gusto.

I didn't find Ed any different than he always is on other cases. He does know things that others do not.

Maybe AMW is going to be airing the Michelle Young case?

IMO

Ocean

I don't doubt his lawyers are working and it is much easier for them as he is telling them. But how does his own lawyer prove he was asleep in a hotel room from 12 to 6 am unless of course he was not alone ? If he was alone - the lawyer doesn't know what LE knows or what they do not know.

I still hold to the fact that I really don't care who Ed is or what his reputation is - he has exposed something LE has not - that is IMO out of line in an active case unless LE has asked him to specifically do so. For some reason I don't see LE saying hey Ed go tell the world we can't place JY at the scene. JMO

 

[oceanblueeyes]

When Ed said " . .but not enough to nail him", the way he said it said to me that the will and insurance papers, though highly questionable, were not enough to have him arrested for her murder.

I'm sending you a PM Ocean,

Goodie.......I love PMs.

Ocean

 

[Scout]

I don't doubt his lawyers are working and it is much easier for them as he is telling them. But how does his own lawyer prove he was asleep in a hotel room from 12 to 6 am unless of course he was not alone ? If he was alone - the lawyer doesn't know what LE knows or what they do not know.

I still hold to the fact that I really don't care who Ed is or what his reputation is - he has exposed something LE has not - that is IMO out of line in an active case unless LE has asked him to specifically do so. For some reason I don't see LE saying hey Ed go tell the world we can't place JY at the scene. JMO

I didn't see CCL, but maybe Ed was just drawing conclusions in stating that LE cannot place Jason at the home at TOD. Perhaps Ed believes that if they have definitive proof that he was there, they would have already arrested him.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

I don't doubt his lawyers are working and it is much easier for them as he is telling them. But how does his own lawyer prove he was asleep in a hotel room from 12 to 6 am unless of course he was not alone ? If he was alone - the lawyer doesn't know what LE knows or what they do not know.

I still hold to the fact that I really don't care who Ed is or what his reputation is - he has exposed something LE has not - that is IMO out of line in an active case unless LE has asked him to specifically do so. For some reason I don't see LE saying hey Ed go tell the world we can't place JY at the scene. JMO

I understand Charlie. You will have to be mad at CC she always has him on when she wants the scoop on something.

The investigators that work for Smith are probably retired LE they will retrace his steps just like LE has done.

IMO

Ocean

 

[scandi]

Plus Charlie, we had no idea there are things about the will and insurance papers that are highly questionable. That was totally new for me. And he never referenced where he got this info, although I don't think he would say it on TV unless he has a gold source.

 

[raisincharlie]

I didn't see CCL, but maybe Ed was just drawing conclusions in stating that LE cannot place Jason at the home at TOD. Perhaps Ed believes that if they have definitive proof that he was there, they would have already arrested him.

I agree and this is exactly what I am thinking - Ed is speculating and the police did not tell him this. So if he is speculating - it certainly doesn't mean it is true, just a possibility. Therefore IMO this episode on CC does not indicate whether or not JY has an alibi and we don't know anything more now than we did yesterday. JMO

Except for the wierd comment about the will...

 

[oceanblueeyes]

I didn't see CCL, but maybe Ed was just drawing conclusions in stating that LE cannot place Jason at the home at TOD. Perhaps Ed believes that if they have definitive proof that he was there, they would have already arrested him.

Well CC led it off by asking Ed either "what have you learned or "what have you found out?" and then he began to say the things he said.

IMO

Ocean

 

[raisincharlie]

Plus Charlie, we had no idea there are things about the will and insurance papers that are highly questionable. That was totally new for me. And he never referenced where he got this info, although I don't think he would say it on TV unless he has a gold source.

Scandi,

I'm not doubting his source - I'm doubting Ed's sense - why would he even repeat this if the police told him ? He has , if told this, exposed information the police refused to tell publicly themselves - I see that as betrayal of his source and I also see it as giving a defense team information on the status of an investigation that perhaps they did not know. IMO if he was told this and repeated it on tv - he cheated his source and he has provided information to a defense lawyer that does not help this investigation.