Michelle Young: Pregnant Mom, NC. part 8

[close_enough]

I recall Fussell saying JY told him things at the funeral - and I got to say, it seems to me to be more an awareness of guilt thing to me - why the heck, if one is so distraught over loosing their wife and falling to their knees, plumb to their knees, would they be telling this guy at a funeral that he left Thursday nite to get a headstart on a trip to Virginia ? Crazy and certainly not overly distraught IMO - more like CYA conversation - JMO.

you hit the nail on the head there RC....that's all that conversation was about, in a nutshell....gettin the word out, of how he wasn't even in town during the murder.....CYA is right

 

[close_enough]

I am sure he has a perfectly "self serving good reason" to keep this child from her Mother's side of the family, especially a chatty child. I hope that chatty child is letting his direct family know how she feels about several things, just as I hope she told LE and Meredith. JMO

it doesn't surprise me one bit that Cassidy hasn't seen the Fisher's since the murder.....

 

[scandi]

The fact that Linda Fisher has not seen her grand daughter or had time to be with her since the murder of Michelle is not only entirely disgusting - it is despicable IMO.

WHY ? There is no acceptable reason.

It wouldn't be to recycle Cassidy's brain about what she saw and told Meredith, although they might want to try. What Cassidy stated is of record on the 911 tape. I wonder if all of the family knows what she said? Esp thinking of JY's parents!

Sami thanks for the link and I am so glad we got it first!!!! YaYa

It is so sad she hasn't seen her other Grandma. She lives in NY, right, so maybe she didn't get to see her often, but I would be sure to think they talked on the phone alot. That's what my boys did when we were far away from Grama and Grandpa.

 

[scandi]

Cassidy wouldn't testify at trial anyway we thought here as she is too young. And even if she is 3 1/2 or 4 come a trial, the time between the murder and the trial would be too great for her to remember everything. Hopefully everyone now wants her to forget why she said the things she did.

It does make me wonder though if JY allowed Cassidy to be talked to by a specialist - childrens investigator. He has been totally uncooperative so far. Luckily JY was 4-5 hours away when Meredith found Cassidy so JY douldn't remove her from police at that time. Do you think police could talk to her without permission of the living parent? In a murder investigation that was not random as stated righ away by Harrison?

 

[raisincharlie]

Cassidy wouldn't testify at trial anyway we thought here as she is too young. And even if she is 3 1/2 or 4 come a trial, the time between the murder and the trial would be too great for her to remember everything. Hopefully everyone now wants her to forget why she said the things she did.

It does make me wonder though if JY allowed Cassidy to be talked to by a specialist - childrens investigator. He has been totally uncooperative so far. Luckily JY was 4-5 hours away when Meredith found Cassidy so JY douldn't remove her from police at that time. Do you think police could talk to her without permission of the living parent? In a murder investigation that was not random as stated righ away by Harrison?

Scandi,

One thing I have wondered about with Cassidy in particular was if she was sent to hospital to be checked out. She was alone for a long time, exposed to biological concerns and possibly dehydrated to a degree. I would think given the trauma that MF would have accompanied her if this was done. I think it would be possible for several conversations to take place - would these individuals not be allowed to participate at trial ? Just thinking, I do believe it is highly possible the child was checked by medical professionals.

 

[mikesmom1989]

this is the disgusting. a small child has just lost her mother, worse yet, was with her body for a considerable time & her dad now is keeping her away from her mothers side of the family???????????
i know that we do not know all the facts, but it seems clear to me that the only reason cassidy has not seen MY relatives is because someone is keeping her away. i would imagine the only person with that authority has to be a parent/guardian & in view of the trauma this baby has and im sure continuing to go through, how can anyone possibly think that is in the best interest of the child?? unless, of course that person is worried about what this articulate child will communicate.i dont mean to get O/T or too personal, but for my son's father made the decision to not see and/or have anything at all to do with him almost 14 years ago & till this day i cannot even begin to understand it. my point is if you have good,loving family members that want to surround cassidy with love during this incredibly painful period, why in the world would you not want her to have this support???? i would think a grieving father would welcome his wife's family to help comfort cassidy.
as much as i am angry at my ex for his choices, i know that i would have loved nothing more for my son to have his dad in his life.

 

[raisincharlie]

this is the disgusting. a small child has just lost her mother, worse yet, was with her body for a considerable time & her dad now is keeping her away from her mothers side of the family???????????
i know that we do not know all the facts, but it seems clear to me that the only reason cassidy has not seen MY relatives is because someone is keeping her away. i would imagine the only person with that authority has to be a parent/guardian & in view of the trauma this baby has and im sure continuing to go through, how can anyone possibly think that is in the best interest of the child?? unless, of course that person is worried about what this articulate child will communicate.i dont mean to get O/T or too personal, but for my son's father made the decision to not see and/or have anything at all to do with him almost 14 years ago & till this day i cannot even begin to understand it. my point is if you have good,loving family members that want to surround cassidy with love during this incredibly painful period, why in the world would you not want her to have this support???? i would think a grieving father would welcome his wife's family to help comfort cassidy.
as much as i am angry at my ex for his choices, i know that i would have loved nothing more for my son to have his dad in his life.

I could not agree with you more Mikesmom. For the sake of this child normal faces and loved ones would be most important. Sad. What really kind of bothers me the most about this - not knowing how holidays were shared in the past - but I suspect that both MF and LF would have made any effort to see this baby during the holidays. LF not wanting to say anymore about this says to me and IMO that she has been refused the opportunity to see this child. Most disgusting if true. As I said JMO.

 

[mikesmom1989]

the holidays must have been brutal, raisincharlie.
it disturbs me that this innocent little girl seems to be deliberately kept from her mom's family, as a matter of fact that disturbs me as much as the fact that her moms murderer is still free. let's for 1 minute absolutely forget about any animosity or hard feelings there may be between the families due to this horrible murder, & from what has been reported through various news links, that does appear to be the case what with JY being uncooperative--- if JY had his childs very best interests at heart, of course MY family would be able to see her --- he needs to put aside whatever feelings there may be, if only that his very daughter deserves to have her loving family, extended, immediate, etc surrounding her during what must be an extremely traumatic,confusing time for her.
i am confident an arrest & conviction will be forthcoming in this case, i just wish it would be yesterday !! hopefully, 2007 will bring comfort --- if that is even remotely possible --- to all of MY loved ones.
JMO

 

[otto]

I think that Cassidy is going through an extremely difficult time right now. She most likely reverted to bed wetting and is in a form of shock and withdrawal (in her knew unfamiliar environment). Knowing what little I do of children that experience trauma at that age, they often lose memories from time prior to the traumatic experience. Cassidy is probably having her life re-written right now. By being deprived of contact with her mom's family, she will be (in my opinion) forever permanently distanced from them. If enough time passes, then any time she sees them, she will somehow associate them with some feelings of the trauma.

I would urge Michelle's mom and Meredith to seek immediate visitation with the argument that it is in the best interests of Cassidy to maintain a healthy relationship with her mother's side of the family, and that maintaining that relationship will ease the loss of her mother. Furthermore, this clearly would have been Michelles wish. I think they need to act right away because the more time that passes, the more likely the courts will buy the argument that it is better to cut all ties until she is well again.

If Cassidy isn't already seeing a therapist, they should also include that request in their documents and if she is seeing a therapist, they should request a meeting with that person to speak on Michelle's behalf.

If they have to turn their lives upside down to achieve all this, they should because they're only going to get one chance and the longer they wait, the slimmer the chance.

 

[jilly]

I would urge Michelle's mom and Meredith to seek immediate visitation with the argument that it is in the best interests of Cassidy to maintain a healthy relationship with her mother's side of the family, and that maintaining that relationship will ease the loss of her mother. Furthermore, this clearly would have been Michelles wish. I think they need to act right away because the more time that passes, the more likely the courts will buy the argument that it is better to cut all ties until she is well again.

If Cassidy isn't already seeing a therapist, they should also include that request in their documents and if she is seeing a therapist, they should request a meeting with that person to speak on Michelle's behalf.

If they have to turn their lives upside down to achieve all this, they should because they're only going to get one chance and the longer they wait, the slimmer the chance.

Hey Otto! Happy New Year!:blowkiss:

I guess the only thing is - how often did Michelle's mother see Cassidy before. I seem to remember reading somewhere that Michelle's family never thought much of JY before so I'm wondering if the only time Cassidy got to see her maternal grandmother was when Michelle took her to New York which might not have been that often. Still...I think you make a good point about it being in the child's best interest.

The one who seems closest to Cassidy was Meredith and I don't know if aunts have much of a chance with getting access. I've only heard of grandparents applying for visitation rights.

 

[philamena]

I can't believe JY is still denying Michelle's family the company of Cassidy. Of course it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out why. :waitasec:

It appears that JY is another one of those that think they're smarter than everyone else and can fool even LE. Well, guess what? He's wrong. Everything he's doing is being scrutinized and put down on paper. Each step he takes, each word he speaks is put onto a list in a row:

Points of innocence..................................Points of GUILT............

IMHO, the 'Points of GUILT' list is getting longer and longer and longer. :slap:

It's only a matter of time that the 'Points of GUILT' list gets long enough for a conviction. :behindbar

JMHO
fran

I agree...and IMO the main reason Jason is keeping the child away from her grandmama is this...Cassidy knows something. Remember the 911 tape? I still say the little angel was telling her auntie what dad did to mommy.

 

[otto]

Hey Otto! Happy New Year!:blowkiss:

I guess the only thing is - how often did Michelle's mother see Cassidy before. I seem to remember reading somewhere that Michelle's family never thought much of JY before so I'm wondering if the only time Cassidy got to see her maternal grandmother was when Michelle took her to New York which might not have been that often. Still...I think you make a good point about it being in the child's best interest.

The one who seems closest to Cassidy was Meredith and I don't know if aunts have much of a chance with getting access. I've only heard of grandparents applying for visitation rights.

Thanks and HNE to you too! I don't know much about what kind of contact there was before this happened, but at the very least Meredith should apply for regular visitation. It could be really hard on her given her new apartment and career commitments, but certainly someone can find some funds to cover a few months so she can do the best she could for Cassidy. I think this is a one time shot and they should set everything else aside to ensure that they keep a regular contact with Cassidy.

I guess I sound really adament about this, but it's just like a custody dispute where even a few months of delay will be interpretted as disinterest and then the cards are already partially stacked against.

 

[fran]

Cassidy wouldn't testify at trial anyway we thought here as she is too young. And even if she is 3 1/2 or 4 come a trial, the time between the murder and the trial would be too great for her to remember everything. Hopefully everyone now wants her to forget why she said the things she did.

It does make me wonder though if JY allowed Cassidy to be talked to by a specialist - childrens investigator. He has been totally uncooperative so far. Luckily JY was 4-5 hours away when Meredith found Cassidy so JY douldn't remove her from police at that time. Do you think police could talk to her without permission of the living parent? In a murder investigation that was not random as stated righ away by Harrison?

It may very well be that Cassidy wouldn't be called upon to testify at trial; however, as many have stated, JY was hours away and I believe there was plenty of interaction with little Cassidy and Meredith, LE and EMT's etc, prior to JY taking physical custody of her. In my (uneducated in law) opinion, anything she said at that time can perhaps be brought up at trial.

Many of us think we heard Cassidy referring to her 'daddy' when she was talking about what happened to her mommy on the 911 tapes. Whenever there's a traumatic event, I believe the first words or statements by victims can be used in court. IE,...that murder trial that just occurred where the mom said her son did it (killed her husband and attacked her) before she went unconscious, yet she claimed she couldn't recall at trial.

IF it was JY who did this crime, this may not have been the first time he'd physically attacked MY. Cassidy may have been witness to previous altercations as well and may have even told LE. Even without her actual testimony, I believe this could be used at trial.

Abusers want to control, manipulate and alientate their victim from others. That's how they can often times continue abuse (either mental or physical) for long periods of time without anyone finding out. JY's isolation of Cassidy from outsiders and family is an indication to me, that he's trying to 'control' the situation and Cassidy. He doesn't want her talking until he's got her under his FULL control, ie afraid to say anything about what happened that night. There's no other reason he would isolate Cassidy from MY's family.

He has control of her, she's his possession just like Michelle was.

JMHO
fran

PS.......the 'isolation' part is like when SP said, "no one knows our marriage but Laci and me." That's because they do NOT want anyone to know what goes on behind closed doors............ .........fran

 

[Bee Charmer]

Fran, wouldn't those statements by little Cassidy be
"excited utterances?" and allowable into the trial through that
legal definition?

 

[Taximom]

I'll admit to posting before reading current comments, but wanted to throw up when I read just now (at Frictionpowered) that Linda Fisher hasn't seen Cassidy.

I wrote there that this fact alone should convert any and all that believe Jason is innocent in the murders of Michelle and their unborn son.

It also proves to me that Cassidy knows enough where letting her see Michelle's family could cost Jason his life.:furious: :furious: :furious:

I say :sick: :sick: :sick: :sick: on Jason and his family:sick::sick::sick::sick:.

I'm sure this has already been discussed, so pardon my interruption. I only hope for sweet justice, swift and soon.

Bless little Cassidy.

And I really hate this deja vu feeling.

 

[Samiya]

I'll admit to posting before reading current comments, but wanted to throw up when I read just now (at Frictionpowered) that Linda Fisher hasn't seen Cassidy.

I wrote there that this fact alone should convert any and all that believe Jason is innocent in the murders of Michelle and their unborn son.

It also proves to me that Cassidy knows enough where letting her see Michelle's family could cost Jason his life.:furious: :furious: :furious:

I say :sick: :sick: :sick: :sick: on Jason and his family:sick::sick::sick::sick:.

I'm sure this has already been discussed, so pardon my interruption. I only hope for sweet justice, swift and soon.

Bless little Cassidy.

And I really hate this deja vu feeling.

You don't have to read back far hon, page 8 of this thread (had to ETA and change that coz I missed the whole of page 9 sneaking in, lol) and up to my big red writing, lol, which was my reaction to finding the article in the early hours of yesterday morning (my time). I have a program which delivers world news onto my desktop within seconds of it going online and if I'm still awake, I post....lol I was up until after 06:30 my time reading the multitude of posts in ctv so was awake when that one came through.

**Places bucket over in the left hand side of the forum**

Sami

 

[Taximom]

You don't have to read back far hon, just this page and up to my big red writing, lol, which was my reaction to finding the article in the early hours of yesterday morning (my time). I have a program which delivers world news onto my desktop within seconds of it going online and if I'm still awake, I post....lol I was up until after 06:30 my time reading the multitude of posts in ctv so was awake when that one came through.

**Places bucket over in the left hand side of the forum**

Sami

Thanks, Sami. This latest is really hurting my heart.

 

[Samiya]

Thanks, Sami. This latest is really hurting my heart.

Is breaks my heart too. He has no excuse to keep her away since a supervised visit could be arranged (heck, even once since the murder would've been better than not at all!) and he wouldn't even have to BE there.

PS I had to edit my original post to let you know that the discussion about Linda not seeing Cassidy and the original link are on page 8, lol.

Sami

 

[close_enough]

Fran, wouldn't those statements by little Cassidy be
"excited utterances?" and allowable into the trial through that
legal definition?

i'm hoping that the prosecution will ask that the 911 tape be entered in as evidence....i have a feeling there will be LOTS of evidence, whether circumstantial or not....

i have always felt...well, since i heard the 911 call, that LE zero'd in on JY immediately, but had to get real evidence gathered to go further.....i think Cassidy saw something....walked in while her parents were struggling...something......

 

[close_enough]

Thanks, Sami. This latest is really hurting my heart.

yeah, it's bad.....course he can't allow the Fisher's to get around Cassidy for right now....it might mess up all the 'reprogramming' the Young's have done to her in the last 2 months.....course that's JMO