Michelle Young ~ Pregnant Mother NC Part 1

[PolkSaladAnnie]

On Greta's show Friday night, it was mentioned that the husband had an alibi. He was at his parent's home at the time of the murder. Now didn't Neal Entwistle have an alibi for the night his precious wife and baby were killed?:doh:
And let's not forget Scott P. and his lame alibis. :bang:

I don't want to falsely accuse the husband, but something doesn't smell right about him imo. This murder was brutal-- it was by all accounts personal. And we have to remember that the child wasn't injured and there were no signs of a robbery. I don't think this was an intruder/stranger did it situation.

Brutal, personal and the baby left out of it, philamena. ESPECIALLY as LE announced within hours this was 'not a random murder - residents have nothing to worry about'.

Sorry, but like so many others, I see signs of Scottisms...

 

[otto]

Hi Otto!! Nice to see you again!! :blowkiss:

Thanks for this info. I didn't forget afterall - this is the first I've heard of this!
Thank you very much!

Good to see you too! You're welcome. There are definitely a couple of things about this that don't add up. I read somewhere that the fax was about a gift for his wife and he didn't want his wife to see the fax and ruin the surprise. Did he arrange for the gift while he was out of town and then ask the company to fax him confirmation? Where I see problems are in the fact that Michelle only worked some Fridays, meaning she probably had every third Friday off, or some other normal schedule. Even if it was random Fridays, Jason should have known whether his wife was going to work the next day. Also, if he had arranged for confirmation about a gift to be faxed to his home rather than to his work, he could have had it faxed when he would be home rather than out of town. He should have known that she would be home that Friday so having the fax sent to the home during the day makes no sense. It seems like such a lame excuse for having the sister come to the house. Apparently this was the first time the sister was ever asked to go to the home to do something like this.

 

[strach304]

There's a poster on ctv boards named EnchantedOaks who is from the neighborhood so you might wanna check those out in the current crime forum.

This poster said Michele was found nude and LE originally thought it was a sexual assault. My guess is no physical evidence of sexual assault found during the autopsy so LE may conclude with other evidence that it was staged to look that way if they do suspect the husband.

The neighbor also said that Michele's family suspect Jason and used some wording about her family being close to going off on him at the funeral.

Also suspected affair, were in the process of starting or already filing for divorce. Blood in the bed. Probably more posted there but I don't remember all of it and no clue how reliable the info is. The 15 year old is discussed by this poster as well.

That poster said they talked to the person watching tv with Michele and Jason left at 10:30 pm so besides the fax I too want to be clear on that specific item because my first instinct was that he planned it that way. The friend would see him leave and possibly this was a routine Michele did with her friend every week or just frequently. If the show went off at 11 and the friend left shortly thereafter then he had the window of opportunity to come back.

 

[Floh]

There's a poster on ctv boards named EnchantedOaks who is from the neighborhood so you might wanna check those out in the current crime forum.

This poster said Michele was found nude and LE originally thought it was a sexual assault. My guess is no physical evidence of sexual assault found during the autopsy so LE may conclude with other evidence that it was staged to look that way if they do suspect the husband.

The neighbor also said that Michele's family suspect Jason and used some wording about her family being close to going off on him at the funeral.

Also suspected affair, were in the process of starting or already filing for divorce. Blood in the bed. Probably more posted there but I don't remember all of it and no clue how reliable the info is. The 15 year old is discussed by this poster as well.

That poster said they talked to the person watching tv with Michele and Jason left at 10:30 pm so besides the fax I too want to be clear on that specific item because my first instinct was that he planned it that way. The friend would see him leave and possibly this was a routine Michele did with her friend every week or just frequently. If the show went off at 11 and the friend left shortly thereafter then he had the window of opportunity to come back.

I've just read the poster's words and it would seem they are alleging similar things to the forum which was removed regarding the 15 year old. perhaps the same poster from that forum?

also they say there was more than one person visiting on the night of the murder.

 

[strach304]

I wondered about that too Floh. I didn't see the more than one visitor part so it may have been added since I last looked or I overlooked it somehow. Did you notice the way he said uncomfirmed from LE on several points? The part about the friend of the 15 year old boy adds fuel to that fire imo.

If it turns out to be true that Michele was nude it very well could have been a violent sexual attack rather than a staged one and she fought for her life and the rape not acted on because she fought to the death.

There is innuendo that I saw alleging affairs but that kind of thing won't solve the crime and we see that in every case like this. Naturally LE will look into that.

 

[PolkSaladAnnie]

There's a poster on ctv boards named EnchantedOaks who is from the neighborhood so you might wanna check those out in the current crime forum.

This poster said Michele was found nude and LE originally thought it was a sexual assault. My guess is no physical evidence of sexual assault found during the autopsy so LE may conclude with other evidence that it was staged to look that way if they do suspect the husband.

The neighbor also said that Michele's family suspect Jason and used some wording about her family being close to going off on him at the funeral.

Also suspected affair, were in the process of starting or already filing for divorce. Blood in the bed. Probably more posted there but I don't remember all of it and no clue how reliable the info is. The 15 year old is discussed by this poster as well.

That poster said they talked to the person watching tv with Michele and Jason left at 10:30 pm so besides the fax I too want to be clear on that specific item because my first instinct was that he planned it that way. The friend would see him leave and possibly this was a routine Michele did with her friend every week or just frequently. If the show went off at 11 and the friend left shortly thereafter then he had the window of opportunity to come back.

Hi and thanks for the added excerpts, strach304! Some of my earlier posts here note my hinky meter has been pointing to an affair (or marital indiscretions, at least). If it's true, I'm just not that surprised.

The fax ~ too much clutter around this document. Agree entirely: if it was supposed to indicate a surprise gift for his wife, why send it home - and the fact Meredith had never been asked a similar request before makes it all the more suspect.

Yes, agreed: surely he *knew* if his wife was due at work the next day or not.

(Also read somewhere Michelle was expecting a baby boy )

 

[PolkSaladAnnie]

Looks like there's going to a *lot* of speculation in this case, too! If we travel back to Scott's era - there was lots to be heard on the street. Turned out much of those early rumbling and mumblings turned out to be close to the truth.

The "not a random attack" by LE tells me they're wrapping up timelines, testimony, DNA, witnesses, timelines - and then the regular gags, 'sealed evidence' may follow...

Hmmm, I've learnt to wait in these things ... and I've also learned how wrong I may be .... right now: I still feel Jase is the Case.

Thanks again for the insight and comments

 

[Taximom]

If he indeed did this and drove back home during the night, what's the quickest route there and back? Not being familiar with the area I wonder if there's a turnpike or just the regular highway? Anyone know what kind of car he drove? Would he have had to stop for gas at some point? Any cameras in use along the roadways?

There is the strong possibility he could have hired someone to do this as well.

Then I think of the Christa Worthington case where, go figure, the garbageman did it. :waitasec:

 

[Lacy Wood]

The criminal needs to realize that there is no coincidence when it comes to murder.

I used to hear a similar comment a lot on the old MSNBC Geraldo show, stated as "We don't believe in coincidences here". But "coincidences" are absolutely inescapable and do not constitute evidence per se. They can of course be a subjective part of a case and give inferences. We are obviously very suspicious of a request to have the victim's sister check for a fax and she "happens" to find the body. But that coincidence, which we find very suspicious, develops only because of the unusual request and questionable behavior of the husband.

Just off the top of my head I can recall a case in Texas in which an innocent black woman went to prison for murder when she coincidentally came to police attention off a motor vehicle registration...she looked like a double for their murder suspect, had the same name (something like Elaine Brown), drove a VW like the suspect, and worked in a fur factory which seemed to link with the fact the victims were fur dealers. She served prison time until the real killer was identified.

Also, the 19 yr old girl murdered in Wyoming and her flashy sports car was missing..old boy friend shows up at funeral...police suspicious and go to his home in another state and find a matching car in his driveway. Surprise! He had bought an identical car, color and all. Fortunately no police entry with guns blazing.

A federal case in California (L.A.) rested on the fact that a Hispanic man and a Chinese woman driving a yellow Cadillac robbed a bank. Just such a couple was found owning a yellow cadillac and they were convicted largely on that basis. It was overturned on appeal when mathematically it was shown that the seemingly damning coincidence mathematically produced a number of such couples in that area of CA.

I write this just to say that mathematics mandates that many, many remarkble coincidences occur in life (and murder cases), and what is obviously true over an aggregate of events must at least be recognized to exist in the individual cases. Coincidences produce suspicions whereas direct evidence suggests a causal connection.

 

[Boyz_Mum]

Brutal, personal and the baby left out of it, philamena. ESPECIALLY as LE announced within hours this was 'not a random murder - residents have nothing to worry about'.

Sorry, but like so many others, I see signs of Scottisms...

I too see signs of Scottisms. I think he waited til the daughter was asleep and/or crept back into the house and brutally killed his wife. I am wondering if he too used the wash machine- I believe that was the case of SP and his fishing clothes? Do they check the wash machine or drains in a home when a murder like this is committed?

I don't believe his alibi. He simply could have stayed in town an hour longer that Thursday night and it wouldn't make his arrival to the parents home delayed by enough time to cause alarm. Thinking out loud here...

 

[otto]

I've just read the poster's words and it would seem they are alleging similar things to the forum which was removed regarding the 15 year old. perhaps the same poster from that forum?

also they say there was more than one person visiting on the night of the murder.

I think someone close to the 15 year old is gathering internets posts about the child with the intention of protecting the child's identity and rights. Another abc thread related to the 15 year old disappeared this morning. It would be a real shame to see a 15 year old tried in the media, particularly if innocent. It looks like someone in the neighbourhood is afraid of the child, for whatever reason, and is posting suggestions of the child's guilt on a number of boards.

 

[fran]

Well, from looking around the net today, it appears LE is keeping their investigation into this case very close to the vest, not leaking any information from what I can gather. So that leaves us sleuths to try to use our imagination and piece together what happened that fateful night, or 24 hour period.

From what I'm reading, many who've posted here suspect the husband, just like with LE, he is the first POI in such a case. It's interesting that the husband has made no statement directly to the public, immediately got himself a HIGH PROFILE attorney (I believe even before he returned home to claim his young child), his parents who are his alibi hadn't made a 'formal' statement to LE a week after the slaying.

Yes, the husband voluntarily went to give his dna, blood sample, and fingerprints, but they already had a court order for these things anyway. Greta said she didn't know if this was SOP to get the court order for this particular police department. Of course all of these things would be in the home anyway as Jason lived there so this doesn't mean much..........unless they have a possible murder weapon. Wonder if Jason has volunteered to give a lie detector test?

IMO, the police statement that this wasn't a 'random act' and that the citizens in the area were not in danger says a lot to me. Now they just have to prove it to the public. Does LE already have a motive? a POI?

Not only does LE have to go over the crime scene with a fine tooth comb, there are phone records, computer records, credit card receipts, bank accounts, witnesses or friends of the family to be interviewed, neighbors. This could take awhile to solve. We wish it would happen like on tv and have a conclusion in the time span of an hour, but real life detective work takes time and patience.

Meanwhile, we'll be waiting for answers. The REAL KILLER may be sweating bullets as LE sounded very confident they know what happened. It took MPD a few months to solve Laci and Conner's murder. But solve it they did with good police work. Then with a GOOD prosecutorial team, they convicted the #%@& who thought he'd committed the perfect crime

Whoever did this will pay. There will be justice for Michelle and her baby boy. It's only a matter of time.

JMHO
fran

 

[PolkSaladAnnie]

I too see signs of Scottisms. I think he waited til the daughter was asleep and/or crept back into the house and brutally killed his wife. I am wondering if he too used the wash machine- I believe that was the case of SP and his fishing clothes? Do they check the wash machine or drains in a home when a murder like this is committed?

I don't believe his alibi. He simply could have stayed in town an hour longer that Thursday night and it wouldn't make his arrival to the parents home delayed by enough time to cause alarm. Thinking out loud here...

Hi Boyz_Mum... On top of Scottisms, we might also see Perry-Marshisms, had Perry (ugh!) not successfully conned the Levines from going to LE for TWO weeks after Janet disappeared!

Well, the clothing comes into it: what was Michelle wearing when her friend was there? Had she bathed or showered? It was not sexual (according to LE) so I'm wondering ... if he did this, did he strip *both* his and Michelle's clothing to remove traces of their DNA? There are a zillion places over a 4 - 5 hour drive to dump/burn/lose clothes. (That's IF IF Jason did this, of course: altho I feel he did, I'm still trying to speculate rather than blame...),

Yes, he may have 'made out' he'd left, and then doubled back. So much to chew over.

 

[PolkSaladAnnie]

[EDITED ] Well, from looking around the net today, it appears LE is keeping their investigation into this case very close to the vest, not leaking any information from what I can gather. So that leaves us sleuths to try to use our imagination and piece together what happened that fateful night, or 24 hour period.

IMO, the police statement that this wasn't a 'random act' and that the citizens in the area were not in danger says a lot to me. Now they just have to prove it to the public. Does LE already have a motive? a POI?

Whoever did this will pay. There will be justice for Michelle and her baby boy. It's only a matter of time.

JMHO
fran

Hi fran and thanks for your post. At this stage, we're all singing off the same hymn sheet: based on what we know, typical traits, previous cases, etc. Again, the part of your post I changed to bold red is the big caveat (IMO). Residents were told there's nothing to be alarmed about; this was not a random act... By not being 'random', tells us it wasn't an opportunist... so . . . . . <------ can we join those 5 dots here and now?

I still believe an affair is mixed up in all of this; debts; lies, deception - and someone felt cornered!

In addition to your list of what LE will be checking for - and if we consider, say, the Porco trial - wonder if there are any toll roads to Brevard? Any cameras that might be able to qualify Jason's timeline?

 

[PolkSaladAnnie]

I think someone close to the 15 year old is gathering internets posts about the child with the intention of protecting the child's identity and rights. Another abc thread related to the 15 year old disappeared this morning. It would be a real shame to see a 15 year old tried in the media, particularly if innocent. It looks like someone in the neighbourhood is afraid of the child, for whatever reason, and is posting suggestions of the child's guilt on a number of boards.

Hi Otto, well said! I agree with you; felt strongly about this earlier: a 15 yr-old is still a child - a minor - and should be treated as such. For a 'neighbor' to promote such a thing - well!!! It was not good to read what was 'put out there' despite whateva the truth may or may not be and I openly wondered how the parents would react to all of this. Personal opinions about (example a convicted murderer, a known suspect, a registered sex-offender is ONE thing. Talking about a child because of circumstance to the location of another brutal murder .... is quite another. I hope those people STOP their laments and focus on the reality here: Michelle Marie Young and her unborn-baby-boy were recently *murdered*...

 

[nanandjim]

...Also suspected affair, were in the process of starting or already filing for divorce...

I posted a while back that this case reminds me of the Justin Barber case, whose wife was murdered. Good, old Justin thought that he was smarter than everyone else. Once again, you have a sociopathic husband who lies and cheats and is in debt. When the wife discovers or tires of this behavior, she ends up conveniently murdered.

If these two were on the verge of a divorce, I definitely am putting my money on the husband. Michelle probably was the breadwinner in the family or definitely supported this husband's extravagant lifestye. This would definitely be changing with a divorce. This guy would not have the extra income. Plus, he would have two children to support. That would really cramp his lifestyle.

If it is the husband, I hope that they have enough evidence to convict him. It won't bring this sweet woman back. However, at least, justice will be served.

 

[fran]

Hi fran and thanks for your post.
In addition to your list of what LE will be checking for - and if we consider, say, the Porco trial - wonder if there are any toll roads to Brevard? Any cameras that might be able to qualify Jason's timeline?

Hi back at ya PSA!

We are definitely on the same wave-link. I actually did a mapquest before I posted. I'm not familiar with the roads in that area, but there was no mention of a toll. Here's a link to the mapquest, if anyone lives in that area, perhaps they would know if any of these turn offs etc have a toll.



http://www.mapquest.com/directions/...g=&2pl=&2v=&2n=&2pn=&2a=&2c=Brevard&2s=nc&2z=


fran

 

[fran]

I think someone close to the 15 year old is gathering internets posts about the child with the intention of protecting the child's identity and rights. Another abc thread related to the 15 year old disappeared this morning. It would be a real shame to see a 15 year old tried in the media, particularly if innocent. It looks like someone in the neighbourhood is afraid of the child, for whatever reason, and is posting suggestions of the child's guilt on a number of boards.

Hi Otto:

The only thing I've seen about this 15 yo was what was posted a few days ago, but now those posts are removed and someone was defending him yesterday.

FWIW, I think it's someone who has it in for the kid, or............even worse,........someone involved in the crime trying to throw the investigation off.

JMHO
fran

 

[PolkSaladAnnie]

or............even worse,........someone involved in the crime trying to throw the investigation off.

JMHO
fran

Eeeuw, fran! Well now ... that sheds a whole different light. Wouldn't even be surprised - we've witnessed some people really scrape the bottom of the barrel when the heat is on ...

 

[Boyz_Mum]

Hi Boyz_Mum... On top of Scottisms, we might also see Perry-Marshisms, had Perry (ugh!) not successfully conned the Levines from going to LE for TWO weeks after Janet disappeared!

Well, the clothing comes into it: what was Michelle wearing when her friend was there? Had she bathed or showered? It was not sexual (according to LE) so I'm wondering ... if he did this, did he strip *both* his and Michelle's clothing to remove traces of their DNA? There are a zillion places over a 4 - 5 hour drive to dump/burn/lose clothes. (That's IF IF Jason did this, of course: altho I feel he did, I'm still trying to speculate rather than blame...),

Yes, he may have 'made out' he'd left, and then doubled back. So much to chew over.

Yes, I agree with you on the similiarities between this case, SP and PM and I am gonna say that all three of them seem to have parents that would back anything that their children say. (Or advise them to "lawyer up".) I am not trying to place blame on anyone either, it's hard for me not to when so many of these cases end up the same... I must work on that! Also, I am not blaming parents either because I know most all parents would like to believe their child couldn't be guilty of any such crimes but I do get a little miffed when a lawyer is brought in this way. I do understand it's good to have representation, I guess I wouldn't think of a lawyer first though. Sorry, I ramble!

There are a lot of points to speculate over in this case-probably what drew me in. I am of course wondering about the fax, wondering if he could have just came back home under the premise of forgetting something delaying his trip by a short time as far as his arrival at the parents home, and how he could have left a crime scene without tracking evidence with him (if he did commit the crime)? I guess I even wonder if he could have hired someone to do this.