Michelle Young ~ Pregnant Mother NC Part 1

[MrsMush99]

right now I cannot listen to the 911 call because I'm supposed to be cleaning my kitchen, LOL. But I will listen again and point out where I hear her saying she's going to try to pull her shirt, or something like that. It is very low, almost like she is talking to herself. Hopefully we won't be on page 50 and you will remember what I said about the shirt, LOL.

 

[close_enough]

We KNOW two things (more or less as fact) about Jason overnight:

1. He left his own home Thursday evening - on a supposed business trip.
2. He arrived at his parents circa lunchtime or shortly thereafter.

We KNOW eight or more things about the crime:

1. According to LE, occurred sometime between 12 - 6 am Friday
2. Meredith discovered the body after Jason asked her to collect a fax.
3. Michelle was cold and stiff to the touch; beaten to death.
4. Cassidy was there; not injured or distressed.
5. No forced entry
6. Nothing seemed stolen, but blood everywhere.
7. It's claimed Michelle was nude when found - other reports state in a sweatshirt.
8. Meredith claims Michelle was supposed to be at work (remains unclear)

We KNOW eight things in follow-up:

1. LE repeatedly stressed this was not a random crime (known to family).
2. LE assured residents and neighbours they had *nothing* to worry about.
3. Jason 'fell to his knees' when he heard, on arrival at his parents (late lunch-time).
4. Jason's car was impounded
5. Jason and his family's luggage were all impounded.
6. Jason was requested to submit DNA samples, etc.
7. Jason has avoided the media
8. Jason lawyered up with high profile atties immed.
9. Jason had been in his sales job for 3 mos

We've HEARD:

1. Gambling debts
2. He hit on women
3. Possible financial problems
4. Jason and Michelle had large ins policies
5. Jason's 'too nice' to do this
6. The fax morphed into a print-out
7. LE are examining everyone known to have been in that house

We THINK:

1. Josh is a plant and Packer's following too many crime stories

Lol, aside from the latter - and having read some of the schplurb on the other blog, it's irritating me that the "insiders" are representing themselves as official spokespersons for LE and considering trailer-park people, burglars and whatever else. LE have RULED OUT a random crime, so these added-stories are moot, imo.

yes, I know I've missed out heaps in the above - but still: it irks me that the Random Crime detail is being ignored by those who are judging equally quickly in claiming Jason's innocence at this stage. He had a hefty ins policy ... and his silence speaks louder than megaphones (IMO).

Does anyone here think LE would repeatedly state this is *not* a random crime if it were not so? Would they issue PROBABLE CAUSE notices compelling Jason to surrender his personal items? No-one else has been issued prob cause, have they?

oh, great PS!!!....putting things in a lil bundle here is good thinking!

ok...since we're hearing "blood was everywhere"...is everyone thinking that Michelle put up a fight??...i know i read somewhere in this thread that she put up a hard fight against her killer....wish i could find a real link/article stating this......anyway, if she did struggle with her attacker, maybe she was initially hit while in the bed, then began the struggle....

 

[close_enough]

right now I cannot listen to the 911 call because I'm supposed to be cleaning my kitchen, LOL. But I will listen again and point out where I hear her saying she's going to try to pull her shirt, or something like that. It is very low, almost like she is talking to herself. Hopefully we won't be on page 50 and you will remember what I said about the shirt, LOL.

LOL...it's ok...i was only agreeing with you that if Michelle had been nude, i would think something along the lines of "she's face down & naked" MIGHT have been said, ya know?? & i never heard that ....

 

[close_enough]

She could have slept in the nude and attacked in bedor Jason took her clothes off to make it look like a sexual crime.

yep, could have been either way...i'm going to go back & listen to the tape again....where Meredith is told to try to turn Michelle over...be right back...

 

[MrsMush99]

yep, could have been either way...i'm going to go back & listen to the tape again....where Meredith is told to try to turn Michelle over...be right back...

Oh good Close, let me know if you hear it. You have to listen very carefully.

 

[close_enough]

Oh good Close, let me know if you hear it. You have to listen very carefully.

ok, i played the part 3 times where the dispatcher is trying to get Meredith to turn Michelle over......

dispatcher...."you can't roll her over?"

Meredith...."no, not easily"

dispatcher...."you're going to have to try"

Meredith...."hold on, i'm trying to see if i can get her pulse"....

eta...i didn't hear anything about a shirt.....

 

[otto]

Your last sentence, MrsM is just as I thought... BUT ... on the tape she says Daddy; that (to us who don't even know her, lol) does sound very clear: so you figure Cassidy may have said Daddy as she wanted him? Could (another wild guess) Cassidy have said Daddy IF .... if .... if .... she'd seen "Mommy and Daddy mad" before? I know mine's a wild-card theory or call - but y'know, we have to think back on that other 2 yr-old who claimed the neighbour touched her ... (not getting into the true/false issue here ... but): seems a 2 and half yo MIGHT be able to recognise if Daddy was "cross" or "mad" with mummy? Reason I say so is because that father believed his 2 yo said as much.

Difficult to pin something like this down into reality and probability: interpretations and perceptions differ, no?

So I wrote this hours ago, went off to work and forgot to hit the post button ... it's probably waaaaaaaaaaaay outta sych.

The Porco case was just covered on some TV program. In that situation, the badly beaten mother appeared lucid when the police arrived and identified one of her sons as the perp. After her surgery and recovery, she recalled nothing about the incident. The son was convicted based on other evidence. I don't think there was any blood evidence in the vehicle ... and he drove several hours to commit the crime and then returned to his University campus.

With Cassidy, she should have been asleep when it happened. She does appear to say daddy, but in context with just having wandered the house alone for probably 6 hours, she may just be saying the name of the only other constant person her life: daddy. Testimony of very young children is never admissible in court because it is notoriously unreliable. Maybe she thinks her daddy can fix her mom. Two year olds often think their parents can do anything. Then again, maybe she woke up and heard her parents arguing or maybe other noises and thought it was her dad.

 

[Taximom]

I've listened to the 911 tape again (lol) and now I'm wondering if Cassidy is saying something like "is that beeding?" or "is that beeding everywhere?" right after the "daddy" part. So she could have said "Daddy" and then just gone on talking about the bleeding.

I know I am dissecting this for probably no reason, but with the limited information available it's just interesting to me.

If it helps anyone, that part starts around 1min 53secs into the recording.

Maybe I read about Michelle being in sweatpants? I think I'm going crazy.

(I'm one of those that played my records in reverse in hopes of hearing secret messages by the Beatles! )

 

[close_enough]

Are we sure that the child is with him? I continue to hear conflicting stories on that.

what i heard last night one of the shows (greta or NG) was that they think Cassie is with her father & the grandparents, so i think they're both staying with Jason's parents....

 

[close_enough]

I've listened to the 911 tape again (lol) and now I'm wondering if Cassidy is saying something like "is that beeding?" or "is that beeding everywhere?" right after the "daddy" part. So she could have said "Daddy" and then just gone on talking about the bleeding.

I know I am dissecting this for probably no reason, but with the limited information available it's just interesting to me.
If it helps anyone, that part starts around 1min 53secs into the recording.

Maybe I read about Michelle being in sweatpants? I think I'm going crazy.

(I'm one of those that played my records in reverse in hopes of hearing secret messages by the Beatles! )

same here TM, same here.....it's frustrating when all we have is this 911 call, but it's VERY interesting at the same time.....

i wish mine showed the timing of the call, but it doesn't...ugh

lol @secret messages by the Beatles....

 

[MrsMush99]

ok, i played the part 3 times where the dispatcher is trying to get Meredith to turn Michelle over......

dispatcher...."you can't roll her over?"

Meredith...."no, not easily"

dispatcher...."you're going to have to try"

Meredith...."hold on, i'm trying to see if i can get her pulse"....

eta...i didn't hear anything about a shirt.....

Thanks close. I'll listen again tomorrow to see I can tell you a more accurate place to listen. Like exactly what is said before and after.

 

[close_enough]

So I wrote this hours ago, went off to work and forgot to hit the post button ... it's probably waaaaaaaaaaaay outta sych.

The Porco case was just covered on some TV program. In that situation, the badly beaten mother appeared lucid when the police arrived and identified one of her sons as the perp. After her surgery and recovery, she recalled nothing about the incident. The son was convicted based on other evidence. I don't think there was any blood evidence in the vehicle ... and he drove several hours to commit the crime and then returned to his University campus.

With Cassidy, she should have been asleep when it happened. She does appear to say daddy, but in context with just having wandered the house alone for probably 6 hours, she may just be saying the name of the only other constant person her life: daddy. Testimony of very young children is never admissible in court because it is notoriously unreliable. Maybe she thinks her daddy can fix her mom. Two year olds often think their parents can do anything. Then again, maybe she woke up and heard her parents arguing or maybe other noises and thought it was her dad.

hmm, i haven't heard of this Porco case...interesting though...

i agree that testimony of very young children can be 'iffy' for sure...i completely understand that, but in my mind, IF Cassie IS saying things in the 911 call, that point to Jason as Michelle's killer, especially in the background where we can't understand it, then i think that's where LE started the investigation...i really feel like that call/tape has been enhanced to hear more of what Cassie is saying....it could be why LE was so quick to say it was "not a random killing", & they went from there.....

i wish i had a way to block out everything on the tape, except for Cassie....

maybe i'm putting way too much into this 911 call & what Cassie is rambling on about, but she sounds like she's trying to be sooooo helpful, bless her heart....

 

[Scout]

If we go back to the 911 call, there is no way we can believe that Meredith put a sweatshirt on her. Rember she was saying she was face down and twisted in such a way that she couldn't move her??? Also she said she was too heavy to turn over. I doubt very much that she put a sweatshirt on her. I have a feeling she wasn't even found nude either. Do you think she would mention that in the 911 call? I don't know, but possibly. But I think I did hear her say something like she was going to try to grab her shirt to turn her over, but we know how my hearing has been since I'm hearing "gotta" instead of "daddy" from Cassidy.

I can vouch for your hearing. It's excellent.

 

[Scout]

right now I cannot listen to the 911 call because I'm supposed to be cleaning my kitchen, LOL. But I will listen again and point out where I hear her saying she's going to try to pull her shirt, or something like that. It is very low, almost like she is talking to herself. Hopefully we won't be on page 50 and you will remember what I said about the shirt, LOL.

Actually, I don't recall anything about pulling her shirt. I did hear her say she was trying to check her pulse though. Not that that helps any. If I had time to listen to it again right now, I'd help you out.

 

[Taximom]

http://www.wral.com/news/10330306/detail.html
Investigators Covering All Possible Angles Of Young Homicide

POSTED: 6:36 pm EST November 15, 2006
RALEIGH, N.C. -- From a car accident in the mountains to forensic evidence found in the home, Wake County investigators are looking at all possible angles when it comes to finding out who killed a young pregnant mother nearly two weeks ago.


Michelle Young, 29, was found Nov. 3 dead in her home in the Enchanted Oaks subdivision of southern Wake County with her 2-year-old daughter at her side, unharmed, according to investigators. She was four-months pregnant.


Twelve days after the discovery, the house at 5108 Birchleaf Drive is still an active crime scene. Investigators say they are preserving the scene in case they need to gather more evidence. (more...)

 

[concernedperson]

YW! Please add/edit/amend - whatever - to it!

Decided to get back to basics and add known facts, due to "dumb's" frustrating 'blurb' on 'that other forum'. It's all very well to post opinions, but when those opinions skew known facts - then it's no longer an opinion. It becomes a campaign... (imo)

We must be long lost twins or something. My opinion fully.

 

[close_enough]

http://www.wral.com/news/10330306/detail.html
Investigators Covering All Possible Angles Of Young Homicide

POSTED: 6:36 pm EST November 15, 2006
RALEIGH, N.C. -- From a car accident in the mountains to forensic evidence found in the home, Wake County investigators are looking at all possible angles when it comes to finding out who killed a young pregnant mother nearly two weeks ago.


Michelle Young, 29, was found Nov. 3 dead in her home in the Enchanted Oaks subdivision of southern Wake County with her 2-year-old daughter at her side, unharmed, according to investigators. She was four-months pregnant.


Twelve days after the discovery, the house at 5108 Birchleaf Drive is still an active crime scene. Investigators say they are preserving the scene in case they need to gather more evidence. (more...)

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Still, they are examining every aspect of the couple's life together, including a May 29, 2005, car accident in Transylvania County when Jason Young drove off a road down a 100-foot embankment into the French Broad River. Neither he nor Michelle Young were seriously injured.

"They just wanted to know the circumstances and if I saw anything unusual with the wreck, which I did not," said sate Highway Patrol trooper David Hicks, who investigated the crash

hmmm, ok....i checked in over at CTV for a minute, before i settled in here this afternoon, & there's one poster that 'knows' Jason...not real well, but said he can give Jason a high-5 & that kind of thing in passing.....he says that he's heard that LE is really trying to dig up "dirt" on Jason, from what he's been told by some that have been interviewed by LE.....

this fits right in with LE questioning the trooper about the accident....i think LE believes Jason did this, & i think they have a good reason to believe he did this....they're trying to leave nothing out...they're trying to get a motive worked out, IMO.....along with forensics & so forth, of course....

 

[close_enough]

ok...i went back & got some more from the tape, so we can get a full understanding of where we're at on this tape.....guess i should have gotten all of this the first time.....sorry about that, but this is exactly where the dispatcher starts trying to get Meredith to get Michelle on her back, & Meredith has just gotten Cassie to go to her own room "for 2 seconds".....there is no mention of a shirt....

dispatcher...."can you get her on her back?"

Meredith....(takes a deep breath) "ok - omg - Michelle?...i don't think so, she's so heavy"

dispatcher...."ok, see if you can get her on her back"

Meredith...."i really think she's dead"

dispatcher....."pardon?"

Meredith...."i really think she's dead"

dispatcher...."OK - - are you certain?"

Meredith...."hang on" - "Cassidy sweetie, please go in your room ok, honey?"
................."uh uh i'm pretty sure"

dispatcher....."you are?"

Meredith..."actually no, i don't know, um"

dispatcher...."ok, we need to make sure"

Meredith....."ok"

dispatcher....."can you get her on her back for me?"

Meredith...."she's kind of twisted in a way that i can't do that"

dispatcher...."you can't roll her over?"

Meredith...."no, not easily"

dispatcher...."alright, you're going to have to try"

Meredith...."hang on, i'm trying to see if i can get her pulse"....

*pause*

dispatcher...."we gotta try to do CPR, if we can get her on her back, Meredith"

Meredith...."oh (or no) she's ice cold"

dispatcher...."she's cold?"

Meredith...."yes"

dispatcher....."ok - alright"

Meredith...."her body is stiff"

dispatcher...."ok - then don't try"

(deleted my prior post relating to this post so i could get the entire part of the call in this one)

 

[otto]

OK... this was added by same poster, later: confirmed they're an 'insider' again.

Re: Mgt's questions. Jason left home Thur. Pm to go to Va. I do not know the exact time he left but know it was in the evening. He had a meeting there Fri. AM. He checked into a hotel there and called Michelle at around 11 PM that night when he had arrived. He spoke to her and all was fine. He had his meeting Fri. Am and then as had been previously planned, drove to western NC to his mom's house where he'd planned to have a short visit and spend the night before returning to Raleigh the next day. People are very confused over the sequence there because the press has published so many different things. He went to VA, spent the night, had a meeting in the AM, then as planned drove to Brevard. It was while he was enroute to Brevard that his mother received the phone call about Michelle's death. Jason was told when he arrived at her home. The family elected not to give someone that kind of news while they were driving and alone.

If true, he may have driven back - having asserted his 'alibi'. This poster is very clear about the time of the Thursday evening telephone calls - but doesn't give us arrival at hotel or at business, or at Brevard.

This makes sense as to WHY LE were asking if *any vehicles were seen from midnight to 6 am*

Snapshot into my suspicious mind: he did have gambling problems; he was unfaithful; he set up an alibi, drove a little way there - checked in and snuk out - did what he did - went back to hotel and continued his journey.

Sorry.... My hinky meter has simply not left the Jason-Zone at this stage! :snooty:

I'm still pages behind in catching up here, but this I don't understand. He left in the evening (which for me means after 6 pm), he arrived at 11pm and the trip takes 5 hours. Something is not true.

 

[otto]

hmm, i haven't heard of this Porco case...interesting though...

i agree that testimony of very young children can be 'iffy' for sure...i completely understand that, but in my mind, IF Cassie IS saying things in the 911 call, that point to Jason as Michelle's killer, especially in the background where we can't understand it, then i think that's where LE started the investigation...i really feel like that call/tape has been enhanced to hear more of what Cassie is saying....it could be why LE was so quick to say it was "not a random killing", & they went from there.....

i wish i had a way to block out everything on the tape, except for Cassie....

maybe i'm putting way too much into this 911 call & what Cassie is rambling on about, but she sounds like she's trying to be sooooo helpful, bless her heart....

I'm waiting for some privacy around here so I can replay the 911 call really loud and listen again for what I thought I heard (don't want anyone to know I'm quickly becoming obsessed with another case like Laci Peterson). It is interesting how we all have the same tape and yet we hear so many different possibilities. We need some of that fancy software that converts wav files to text.

Chris Porco nearly pulled off the perfect crime and even though his mother initially implicated him, she defended him after she recovered. http://timesunion.com/specialreports/porco/