Michelle Young ~ Pregnant Mother NC Part 2

[packerdog]

Chart One sells medical chart systems to hospitals and medical offices. It seems that they provide something like a secure server where the information can be stored and easily access for a monthly fee. Anyone selling the software to use this system would have to have a laptop so they could demo the software.

It definitely seems that he could have received the "fax" or "computer printout" on his own laptop or email address. He could have printed it out anytime he was near a printer again.

Michelle was in her bedroom, but not in bed ... at least that's my understanding. Maybe she heard a noise and was running into the bedroom where she could maybe make a phone call? It just seems that things would have happened really quickly if she couldn't get to the phone, and that doesn't work with someone being a complete stranger. Strangers don't know the layout of the house and they don't enter the house without leaving a point of breaking in. Also, if she was woken up by a noise, she may have thought it was Cassidy and didn't have the phone with her for making an emergency call. I don't know where I'm going with this, but I'm trying to figure out the events that happened in the house.

Great thoughts on your part. I think the first attack happened while M was in bed because of so much blood being there. Now who would attack a woman in her bed and not have any sexual contact with her? I don't know if anything was taken from the house. I think a robber would take what was down stairs and leave.

 

[otto]

Let me ask you something otto, please.

When they notified the family and they in turn told Jason, did they all come back that day? Friday, the day Michelle was found? The same day that LE seized his vehicle, all the family's luggage including his, prescription medications that belonged to his mother and father?

Is this when the step-father obtained a lawyer and said he didn't trust the police?

Thanks bunches.

IMO

Ocean

That is my understanding. Someone notified Jason's mother's house at about 2 pm Friday afternoon. The police said they spoke with Jason "briefly in the afternoon" (from Greta's interviews with the sheriff). It's a 5 hour drive so the family would have arrived back in Enchanted Oaks around 7 in the evening. I understand that Jason, his mom and his step-dad all drove together. When they arrived, the vehicle and all it's contents were confiscated. Jason was apparently upset because their luggage contained cell phones, medicine and all their clothing.

Whether Jason had a lawyer lined up before they arrived or not is unclear. I don't remember, but I think he had the lawyer in place before they arrived. If the police only spoke briefly with Jason in the "afternoon" of Nov 3, then it was most likely during a phone call. They could not have arrived earlier than about 7 pm with the 5 hour drive because they also needed time to pack things up and get ready for the trip.

 

[j2mirish]

The fax, to me, looks like a ruse. First, there is no reason why it couldn't have been sent a few days later when he was home. Second, if he works for Chart One, he works with selling software solutions so he had to have a laptop. He should have had the paperwork sent to him, not to the home "general use" computer. Invoices can easily be sent as pdf files. Finally, as I mentioned earlier, many people set up their computers for individual log on so anything sent to him would not be accessible to Michelle. Now if it's a real fax, and not a computer print out, then it would go directly to the fax machine and I'm guessing that it would just start printing. Again, it makes no sense that he would have it sent to his home on Friday morning when he knows he's not home.

The point that he thought Michelle was at work just doesn't make sense either. We have heard that Michelle had a doctor's appointment in the morning (not from media reports) so obviously he knew about the doctor's appointment and her usual Fridays off, so why would he think that she was at work? Did he think that she would book a doctor's appointment on her usual Friday off and then go to work afterwards? Why didn't he know her schedule? We've heard that he made two phone calls in the morning and assumed that she was at her doctor's appointment ... soooooooo ... why have the fax sent to the house when there's a good chance she's going home for the afternoon?

I dont disagree this fax thing is going to be a major player in this-- but I think the dr's appointment came to us from the 'friends" didnt it? And I know my husband would know if I was off work or not, but perhaps Michelled took some fridays off- and not others-- I cant understand how a spouse would not know for sure, especially if one was leaaving town for a meeting, and visit with parents- but is it possible?

 

[oceanblueeyes]

Great thoughts on your part. I think the first attack happened while M was in bed because of so much blood being there. Now who would attack a woman in her bed and not have any sexual contact with her? I don't know if anything was taken from the house. I think a robber would take what was down stairs and leave.

Was there blood in their bed? I thought she was found on the floor face down with the blood everywhere on the floor... probably carpet.

Looks like if they attacked her in the bed they would have straddled her and she wouldn't be able to get off of the bed.

TIA

IMO

Ocean

 

[Boyz_Mum]

Was there blood in their bed? I thought she was found on the floor face down with the blood everywhere on the floor... probably carpet.

Looks like if they attacked her in the bed they would have straddled her and she wouldn't be able to get off of the bed.

TIA

IMO

Ocean

I had read that there was blood on the bed, and yes, if there was a fight, it could have spilled out onto the floor. And I guess media reports haven't told us if the "fight" spilled out into other areas of the house. In my own thoughts I would have to say even if straddled on the bed, she would somehow get off that bed, given the fact that as a cheerleader she would be somewhat prone to being quite strong (and knowing her child was in the room down the hall)? I know she isn't a cheerleader now, but seriously, the body doesn't go "weak" just because a person is a few years out of school (college) and less active than they were before. I see physical strength as being on her side in some ways?

 

[oceanblueeyes]

That is my understanding. Someone notified Jason's mother's house at about 2 pm Friday afternoon. The police said they spoke with Jason "briefly in the afternoon" (from Greta's interviews with the sheriff). It's a 5 hour drive so the family would have arrived back in Enchanted Oaks around 7 in the evening. I understand that Jason, his mom and his step-dad all drove together. When they arrived, the vehicle and all it's contents were confiscated. Jason was apparently upset because their luggage contained cell phones, medicine and all their clothing.

Whether Jason had a lawyer lined up before they arrived or not is unclear. I don't remember, but I think he had the lawyer in place before they arrived. If the police only spoke briefly with Jason in the "afternoon" of Nov 3, then it was most likely during a phone call. They could not have arrived earlier than about 7 pm with the 5 hour drive because they also needed time to pack things up and get ready for the trip.

It just seems to me if he lawyered up before they even left he would not be talking with LE not even for 5 minutes.

Jason probably called about getting the belongings back that belonged to his parents such as the needed meds.

It makes more sense imo when they confiscated everything the step-father had to be livid by that action and told Jason he was going to get him a dam*ed good lawyer. I have to admit if I had been Jason's parent I would have been ticked if they confiscated our stuff instead of just our son's.

IMO

Ocean

 

[otto]

Great thoughts on your part. I think the first attack happened while M was in bed because of so much blood being there. Now who would attack a woman in her bed and not have any sexual contact with her? I don't know if anything was taken from the house. I think a robber would take what was down stairs and leave.

It reminds me a little of a robbery gone bad here. There was a punk that broke into a house. There were 4 fairly young children so when dad heard a noise, he thought one of the children was up and he went to check on them. He encountered the punk, who stabbed him once in the chest and fled the scene. The man was the leading heart surgeon in the city and although he lived near the hospital, he was the person needed to keep him alive. It was very ironic. He didn't make it.

Michelle's murder has been described as brutal. Robbers will do something to a person that finds them robbing the house, but I'm guessing they just want to give themselves time to escape. A brutal murder, without a rape, point of break in or theft really looks like the brutal murder was the primary objective.

Didn't we read that all the lights were on in the house and the investigative team left them on for 3 days because that is how they found the scene? I think one of the neighbours said that early on. Why would a robber turn on all the lights ... unless they thought no one was home? Michelle must have had her own vehicle because she had to get somewhere the next day. Therefore a robber could have known that one vehicle meant someone could be home. Since there are windows on the garage, they could have looked inside to see her car. Did Jason leave all the lights on for Cassidy?

 

[j2mirish]

I had read that there was blood on the bed, and yes, if there was a fight, it could have spilled out onto the floor. And I guess media reports haven't told us if the "fight" spilled out into other areas of the house. In my own thoughts I would have to say even if straddled on the bed, she would somehow get off that bed, given the fact that as a cheerleader she would be somewhat prone to being quite strong (and knowing her child was in the room down the hall)? I know she isn't a cheerleader now, but seriously, the body doesn't go "weak" just because a person is a few years out of school (college) and less active than they were before. I see physical strength as being on her side in some ways?

unless she was sound asleep when the attack happened---

 

[oceanblueeyes]

I had read that there was blood on the bed, and yes, if there was a fight, it could have spilled out onto the floor. And I guess media reports haven't told us if the "fight" spilled out into other areas of the house. In my own thoughts I would have to say even if straddled on the bed, she would somehow get off that bed, given the fact that as a cheerleader she would be somewhat prone to being quite strong (and knowing her child was in the room down the hall)? I know she isn't a cheerleader now, but seriously, the body doesn't go "weak" just because a person is a few years out of school (college) and less active than they were before. I see physical strength as being on her side in some ways?

Hi there Boyz Mum!

Actually no matter how well fit someone is if they are being bludeoned and I would think that most of these blows were head blows the victim has very little chance. I do think she tried to fight back as well as she could muster but I think it will come to pass that many of the wounds will be defensive wounds where she is trying to protect herself from being struck, struggling to save her life...not fighting back to overcome her aggressor. Jmo of course.

Such a very sad and tragic case.

IMO

Ocean

 

[oceanblueeyes]

It reminds me a little of a robbery gone bad here. There was a punk that broke into a house. There were 4 fairly young children so when dad heard a noise, he thought one of the children was up and he went to check on them. He encountered the punk, who stabbed him once in the chest and fled the scene. The man was the leading heart surgeon in the city and although he lived near the hospital, he was the person needed to keep him alive. It was very ironic. He didn't make it.

Michelle's murder has been described as brutal. Robbers will do something to a person that finds them robbing the house, but I'm guessing they just want to give themselves time to escape. A brutal murder, without a rape, point of break in or theft really looks like the brutal murder was the primary objective.

Didn't we read that all the lights were on in the house and the investigative team left them on for 3 days because that is how they found the scene? I think one of the neighbours said that early on. Why would a robber turn on all the lights ... unless they thought no one was home? Michelle must have had her own vehicle because she had to get somewhere the next day. Therefore a robber could have known that one vehicle meant someone could be home. Since there are windows on the garage, they could have looked inside to see her car. Did Jason leave all the lights on for Cassidy?

Hmm if that is true Otto that makes me think Michelle was still up, maybe perparing for bed?

IMO

Ocean

 

[otto]

It just seems to me if he lawyered up before they even left he would not be talking with LE not even for 5 minutes.

Jason probably called about getting the belongs back that belonged to his parents such as the needed meds.

It makes more sense imo when they confiscated everything the step-father had to be livid by that action and told Jason he was going to get him a dam*ed good lawyer. I have to admit if I had been Jason's parent I would have been ticked if they confiscated our stuff instead of just our son's.

IMO

Ocean

I don't think the police knew which suitcase belonged to Jason and which didn't. They would have just seized the vehicle and contents. I think Jason's step dad could have been a little more cooperative and accepting of the fact that their daughter in law had just been brutally murdered and the police have to do whatever is necessary to eliminate the obvious suspects. They could have specified which medications were really important and the police could have cleared that right away. I guess I'm thinking that it could have been handled better. Maybe the step dad is concerned that Jason is guilty and he's just doing what he can to keep him out of jail.

Keep in mind that it's not beyond a murderer to hide some evidence in someone else's things ... the family should have been prepared for cooperation but it seems they were prepared for the opposite.

The car accident was near Brevard, where Jason lived. He knew the road, he knew the dangers, he knew how fast to drive to safely avoid going over the embankment because he'd probably been driving the road many, many times in the past. All of a sudden at the age of 29 or 30 his miscalculates and goes over the embankment? That doesn't make any sense to me either. Maybe his step-dad thinks the same thing.

 

[raisincharlie]

Folks, I quess i have missed the articles indicating there was a struggle. Anyone have them handy. Checking in , anyone have a link to the condition the house was in - i.e. the lights on when the body was found. You all have lost me in these recent conversations because I haven't seen this information but would like to. TIA.


Ocean - you and I discussed vehicles a bit earlier and it has now dawned on me, if JY does not have his vehicle back after 16 days - I'm wondering if that may be because they found something - if it is some kind of evidence - they are not going to return that vehicle. So we might want to stay on the lookout for any information about the status of this vehicle - just a thought.

RC

 

[close_enough]

i'm sure this has been posted, but it's the first time i've seen the video....i know there was some discussion on whether JY voluntarily went to CCBI to be fingerprinted, DNA (sp) etc.....he was forced to do this, by an order....& with this order, LE had to already suspect him of the crime.....

the video is found over to the right of the article, listed

VIDEO: New Developments in Woman's Death...

(course i know it's not new developments, but it seems to make it clear, JY was forced to go down to CCBI)

http://abclocal.go.com/wtvd/story?section=local&id=4773352#

 

[otto]

Hmm if that is true Otto that makes me think Michelle was still up, maybe perparing for bed?

IMO

Ocean

I just tried to find the article where I read about the lights being on for 3 days and couldn't find it. Does anyone else remember this?

 

[close_enough]

Was there blood in their bed? I thought she was found on the floor face down with the blood everywhere on the floor... probably carpet.

Looks like if they attacked her in the bed they would have straddled her and she wouldn't be able to get off of the bed.

TIA

IMO

Ocean

Meredith said in the 911 call that there was blood everywhere....she also said there's blood in the bed....

 

[oceanblueeyes]

I don't think the police knew which suitcase belonged to Jason and which didn't. They would have just seized the vehicle and contents. I think Jason's step dad could have been a little more cooperative and accepting of the fact that their daughter in law had just been brutally murdered and the police have to do whatever is necessary to eliminate the obvious suspects. They could have specified which medications were really important and the police could have cleared that right away. I guess I'm thinking that it could have been handled better. Maybe the step dad is concerned that Jason is guilty and he's just doing what he can to keep him out of jail.

Keep in mind that it's not beyond a murderer to hide some evidence in someone else's things ... the family should have been prepared for cooperation but it seems they were prepared for the opposite.

The car accident was near Brevard, where Jason lived. He knew the road, he knew the dangers, he knew how fast to drive to safely avoid going over the embankment because he'd probably been driving the road many, many times in the past. All of a sudden at the age of 29 or 30 his miscalculates and goes over the embankment? That doesn't make any sense to me either. Maybe his step-dad thinks the same thing.

Well they say that most accidents happen within 25 miles or less from our homes. We become lax in our own known environment. A lady that lived about 3 miles from me had lived there for over 30 years. To get to her home she had to go over a railroad track the same that had been there since she moved in but one day she just plowed right into the train within 200 yards from her yard and her husband was sitting on the porch waiting for her to come home from work and saw her get killed. It was a terrible thing and drove him to alcoholism.

I have traveled these roads in NC and it seems every few miles someone has run off the road and down the steep embankment. The state trooper said he found nothing odd about the accident, didn't he?

If Jason did this murder then I dont think he would ever jeopardize his own safety. Neither one was hurt were they?

IMO

Ocean

 

[close_enough]

Folks, I quess i have missed the articles indicating there was a struggle. Anyone have them handy. Checking in , anyone have a link to the condition the house was in - i.e. the lights on when the body was found. You all have lost me in these recent conversations because I haven't seen this information but would like to. TIA.


Ocean - you and I discussed vehicles a bit earlier and it has now dawned on me, if JY does not have his vehicle back after 16 days - I'm wondering if that may be because they found something - if it is some kind of evidence - they are not going to return that vehicle. So we might want to stay on the lookout for any information about the status of this vehicle - just a thought.

RC

i haven't read an article that actually states there was a struggle, but somewhere along the line, & it could have been here or over at ctv that i read it.....Greta mentioned that Michelle must have put up a fight, with blood being "everywhere".....

don't know about lights being on in the house...i haven't read anything about that...

 

[otto]

Folks, I quess i have missed the articles indicating there was a struggle. Anyone have them handy. Checking in , anyone have a link to the condition the house was in - i.e. the lights on when the body was found. You all have lost me in these recent conversations because I haven't seen this information but would like to. TIA.


Ocean - you and I discussed vehicles a bit earlier and it has now dawned on me, if JY does not have his vehicle back after 16 days - I'm wondering if that may be because they found something - if it is some kind of evidence - they are not going to return that vehicle. So we might want to stay on the lookout for any information about the status of this vehicle - just a thought.

RC

"Investigators have said very little about the death of Michelle Young, 29, who was found face-down in her bedroom on Nov. 3 with her 2-year-old daughter, Cassidy, by her side. The daughter was unharmed, authorities said.

A preliminary autopsy report shows Young died from blunt-force trauma. She was about four months pregnant with her second child at the time."
http://www.wral.com/news/10321606/detail.html

 

[otto]

Well they say that most accidents happen within 25 miles or less from our homes. We become lax in our own known environment. A lady that lived about 3 miles from me had lived there for over 30 years. To get to her home she had to go over a railroad track the same that had been there since she moved in but one day she just plowed right into the train within 200 yards from her yard and her husband was sitting on the porch waiting for her to come home from work and saw her get killed. It was a terrible thing and drove him to alcoholism.

I have traveled these roads in NC and it seems every few miles someone has run off the road and down the steep embankment. The state trooper said he found nothing odd about the accident, didn't he?

If Jason did this murder then I dont think he would ever jeopardize his own safety. Neither one was hurt were they?

IMO

Ocean

You're right. The police have contacted the investigator at the scene of the accident and that person has been reported as saying there was nothing out of the ordinary.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

Meredith said in the 911 call that there was blood everywhere....she also said there's blood in the bed....

Oh ok...thanks. So it must have started in the bed or she got tossed back on the bed as she stood there with the perp attacking her.

Or he attacked her......thought he killed her but she had enough strength to make it off the bed but then died on the floor.

IMO

Ocean