Michelle Young ~ Pregnant Mother NC Part 2

[scandi]

Ocean, Strach mentioned that the plural was used as to 'persons' involved in the case when the sheriff was interviewed on Greta. That was a good take on her part.

That would imply there was more than one person involved in her murder. Putting that together with the fact LE soothed the minds of neighbors saying there was not a vagabond killer running loose in their neighborhood, do you think it is too presumptive to think a hit could have occured. If so do you have any idea who the other person would be?

I thought I read something here as to someone having an idea about who killed her. Back a page or two.

Thanks
Sweetie, Scandi

 

[oceanblueeyes]

Wasn't me that said it was just answering the poster that like me must of read it here or ctv earlier. I think it was a supposed friend of Jason's on the ctv board that said it but with my memory I could be wrong, I know I read it just can't remember where it originated.

OK thanks strach. I just couldn't remember reading that in the media.

I am not real sure about what these "friends" know or dont know. I think they hear rumors just like we have and go from there. It seems awfully quick after losing his wife and baby that they would let him go especially when he hasn't even been arrested for anything.

IMO

Ocean

 

[nanandjim]

I'm answering before totally catching up so hopefully this doesn't duplicate things.

This is from Meredith's Myspace questionnaire:
Do you get along with your Parents:my mom, definitely; my dad is whole other story

Could you post a link to her Myspace?? It probably has been posted before, but I can't find it. Thanks!!

 

[Taximom]

Could you post a link to her Myspace?? It probably has been posted before, but I can't find it. Thanks!!

See if this works:

http://72.14.203.104/search?q=cache:GmD6wqX4GjsJ:www.myspace.com/mixie1018+mixie1018&hl=en&gl=us&ct=clnk&cd=1

 

[oceanblueeyes]

Ocean, Strach mentioned that the plural was used as to 'persons' involved in the case when the sheriff was interviewed on Greta. That was a good take on her part.

That would imply there was more than one person involved in her murder. Putting that together with the fact LE soothed the minds of neighbors saying there was not a vagabond killer running loose in their neighborhood, do you think it is too presumptive to think a hit could have occurred. If so do you have any idea who the other person would be?

I thought I read something here as to someone having an idea about who killed her. Back a page or two.

Thanks
Sweetie, Scandi

Wow, I missed that part. Good catch for strach!

Well there is always that possibility of course. But then that also could mean that it was a couple of guys together up to no good all on their own with their own agenda.

As I have stated Scandi, I really dont put much weight anymore as to the police telling the community that there isn't a stranger out there. I have seen them call it wrong before. Not saying they did here but until we know who the killer or killers are then we really dont know the answer to that and if they really did then imo they would have an arrest in this case by now.

But would hit men use a bludgeoning weapon? Especially if there were two of them they could easily smother her or strangle her. Just doesn't seem to be a weapon of choice by a hit man imo.

IMO

Ocean

 

[fran]

OMG fran, a mag-lite flashlight would beat someone to a bloody pulp. This is the type of flashlight police carry and people have been known to die when beaten in the head by a police officer. It is like being hit in the head with a metal pipe.

Believe me, I have one of these flashlight and the force would open up the head wounds in a heartbeat. The head bleeds profusely anyway when the skin is broken.

I am not saying it is a flashlight but it is a very formidable weapon if used as such. It could be a hammer. Didn't Tom Braggs wife out of NC use a hammer to murder her husband?

IMO

Ocean

Well, I guess you're right Ocean, a mag lite would break the skin if one was hit hard enough (I have one of them also). It sounds like there must have been a great deal of rage in this attack.

I do know how much head wounds bleed as I had a hammer dropped on my head and the claw end put quite a gash there. LOL, sometimes we need to learn lessons from experience. :crazy: Like, don't stand directly below two young boys while they're building a tree house. :slap:

IMO, just about anything in your house could be a deadly weapon when used to attack another. Even a fire poker.

JMHO
fran

 

[raisincharlie]

Daniel Horowitz is a criminal defense lawyer himself, and when his wife was murdered he talked to police immediately, gave his fingerprints and blood samples, co-operated fully with LE and then some. Per Michael Cardoza (I think it was him), in the early days after his wife's murder some of Daniel's lawyer friends warned him that perhaps he should not be so open with the police, that they would likely be looking at him as a suspect. Horowitz knew he was innocent and he cooperated fully with LE.

Now, I ask you - if your own dear husband or wife was found murdered in your home, you mean to tell me you would instantly hire a criminal defense attorney and would NOT meet with police, would make them get an order to obtain your fingerprints and blood sample?

Something is NOT right here, that's for sure. The police will get his cell phone records, the bank records, etc. If he was in debt, they'll find it. If he turned his cell phone off for a period of time, they'll know it.

You make some valid points and several of us wrestle and bristle at those thougts as well. One thing though is, Daniel being a lawyer, he was well versed in how to talk to the police, he knew what to say and what not to say. Daniel has a tremendous edge over most of us simply because he is a lawyer, its his very nature and essence - the rest of us are pretty clueless.

I believe my last worry and most distant thought would be to get a lawyer were I placed in such a horrible position. Note I said believe. I do believe I would cooperate and if I had a lawyer I believe I would definitely make him explain to me why I should not if he so advises and it would have to be one heck of a good reason. Now that is what I believe but I can't tell you 100% it is in reality what I would do.

Some people are inherently afraid of law enforcement, for whatever reason that may be, they have the right to have a lawyer. Because a person obtains a lawyer IMO should not be an automatic indictment by people looking on. I do however can find no logical reason for a lawyer to keep an innocent client from cooperating with LE. Failure to cooperate only draws unwanted attention and it also hinders the investigation IMO. Failure to cooperate also forces LE to spend valuable time trying to determine the persons status that could darn sure be better spent trying to find out who is guilty. That being said, I have no problem with a lawyer being obtained, however when it interferes I have a problem.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

Well, I guess you're right Ocean, a mag lite would break the skin if one was hit hard enough (I have one of them also). It sounds like there must have been a great deal of rage in this attack.

I do know how much head wounds bleed as I had a hammer dropped on my head and the claw end put quite a gash there. LOL, sometimes we need to learn lessons from experience. :crazy: Like, don't stand directly below two young boys while they're building a tree house. :slap:

IMO, just about anything in your house could be a deadly weapon when used to attack another. Even a fire poker.

JMHO
fran

OMG you better be careful. I had a friend once that was cleaning the leafs off of his roof...the ladder twisted and he fell back onto the concrete patio and he died from a brain hemorrhage at 32 years of age.

My hubby always gets boo-boos. He is very active with some project always going on. I told him he is setting me up because if something ever happened to him and they came into test for his dna (blood) I would be cooked! Even though I clean it up but they say it is very hard to remove it.

Even today we went and visited with his mom and dad. His dad is 85 and is prone to falling at times so we now assist him in walking. Anyway my hubby is holding him up but somehow they butted heads. My sweet f-i-l was not hurt at all but my poor hubby got a big knot on the bone above his left eye. I told him his own daddy beat him up! LOL

But you are right. It could be anything but it makes me wonder was there some altercation before the bludgeoning? Was this weapon kept nearby where she was found?

Sheesh so many questions.......no answers.

IMO

Ocean

 

[PolkSaladAnnie]

I was thinking if Jason Killed her she would have known. How horrible would that be? I thought the same thing when Scott killed Laci. The person you loved and trusted beating you to death.

Hi packerdog; that just adds to the hideous, heinous undertones: Death at the hands of some lunatic stranger is one thing - had been the case. Equally chilling is that it's most likely they'd call their husband's names in their struggle. But it has to be the absolute ... the worst final thoughts when it's the man you're supposed to trust - OMG.

 

[SewingDeb]

OMG fran, a mag-lite flashlight would beat someone to a bloody pulp. This is the type of flashlight police carry and people have been known to die when beaten in the head by a police officer. It is like being hit in the head with a metal pipe.

Believe me, I have one of these flashlight and the force would open up the head wounds in a heartbeat. The head bleeds profusely anyway when the skin is broken.

I am not saying it is a flashlight but it is a very formidable weapon if used as such. It could be a hammer. Didn't Tom Braggs wife out of NC use a hammer to murder her husband?

IMO

Ocean

I keep one under my side of the bed in case anyone ever breaks in. They are very heavy and would do a lot of damage.

 

[Taximom]

I keep one under my side of the bed in case anyone ever breaks in. They are very heavy and would do a lot of damage.

Those are quite heavy, SewingDeb, plus you could probably blind the guy w/the light too!

Somewhere along the line I got the impression the trauma was on the back of her head. So hopefully she didn't know what or, more importantly if it was Jason, who hit her.

 

[SewingDeb]

Those are quite heavy, SewingDeb, plus you could probably blind the guy w/the light too!

True! I'll remember that if I ever need to use it.

 

[PolkSaladAnnie]

I do however can find no logical reason for a lawyer to keep an innocent client from cooperating with LE. Failure to cooperate only draws unwanted attention and it also hinders the investigation IMO. Failure to cooperate also forces LE to spend valuable time trying to determine the persons status that could darn sure be better spent trying to find out who is guilty. That being said, I have no problem with a lawyer being obtained, however when it interferes I have a problem.

There's the caveat - again articulately stated, charlie! Your thoughts play out the reality of it all. Many of us here are the greatest of sleuthers (tongue-in-cheek, lol) due to the abundant crimes, details, trials, juror & novice comments, posts, etc we've follwed in detail. We've learned so much - plus the many tell-tale signs how statistics, repetition & M.O. form the gates into investigations. Indeed, some are fairly open and shut - nevertheless, they're equally as senseless.

This 'experience' has fined tuned that 'gut instinct': if we're to believe that life's experiences are lessons learned, then perhaps we should not 'rule out' a repeat crime from the get-go. Once more I refer to Scott Peterson's absolute arrogant folly as a record example of 'splabbing' off and totally ignoring counsel.

Alistair Mc was so fed up: he WALKED - Geragos swooped in to salvage the farce - but retained A.Mc for NO other reason (imo) other than to pull up some measly crumb of merit in a sure-fire case. i.e.: A.Mk was a prop. MG took over Scott's media-crazy addiction stance. It was too little, too late. Scott had long implicated and incriminated himself.

Well this time around, charlie, I feel Jason's been told to shut-the-?-up and stay out of sight - one word and that's basically it - the Smith's will walk as A.Mc did. There has to be something here to protect, investigate, cover-up in order to have time to build a reasonable doubt to combat or counter-attack whatever it may be, with Jason's criminal defense attornies.

Quite right: attention in this type of homicide immediately falls on the existing or most recent lover/spouse. So lawyer up. (But not to extinction...). The same might apply to the person last known to be with the victim - ditto the person discovering the body. In this case - we hear of no lawyering up by Meredith & 'company' - yet these people are key roles in any homicide's first 3 critical aspects. The who, what, when, where & how of:

before
during
after

And the "why" becomes clear once the above has been established in reasonable order.

.... Only Jason's built himself a legal protection manufactured by Fort Knox Inc. And he's being distanced (actions & words unspoken) by Michelle's family.

 

[PolkSaladAnnie]

I do know how much head wounds bleed as I had a hammer dropped on my head and the claw end put quite a gash there. LOL, sometimes we need to learn lessons from experience. :crazy: Like, don't stand directly below two young boys while they're building a tree house. :slap:

IMO, just about anything in your house could be a deadly weapon when used to attack another. Even a fire poker.

JMHO
fran

Hi fran :blowkiss: Didn't you 'chat' about this briefly in the Porco forum? That rage has to be propelled by some other force: be it adrenalin, drugs, booze.... Perhaps that blocks out reality (feelings, concern, re-thinking the act) and these perps go into 'machine-like' destruction? He used an axe... But as you say, could be anything in our homes: fire poker, hammer, mallet, golf-irons ... shovel (ugh...)

Anyway: CP brutally bludgeoned his parents & not one spec blood on CP; no DNA - in fact *nothing*, no notable sizes blood in his car; he had a tight alibi (he was at college: see there up to 10 pm and again jogging shortly after 8 am).

How ........ ever ----->

 

[PolkSaladAnnie]

Those are quite heavy, SewingDeb, plus you could probably blind the guy w/the light too!

Somewhere along the line I got the impression the trauma was on the back of her head. So hopefully she didn't know what or, more importantly if it was Jason, who hit her.

Hi Taximom!!! :dance:

 

[Taximom]

Hi fran :blowkiss: Didn't you 'chat' about this briefly in the Porco forum? That rage has to be propelled by some other force: be it adrenalin, drugs, booze.... Perhaps that blocks out reality (feelings, concern, re-thinking the act) and these perps go into 'machine-like' destruction? He used an axe... But as you say, could be anything in our homes: fire poker, hammer, mallet, golf-irons ... shovel (ugh...)

Anyway: CP brutally bludgeoned his parents & not one spec blood on CP; no DNA - in fact *nothing*, no notable sizes blood in his car; he had a tight alibi (he was at college: see there up to 10 pm and again jogging shortly after 8 am).

How ........ ever ----->

(Hi PSA!)
From the tv show I watched about the Porco case, it didn't seem like his alibi was that tight, PSA. Was it really? I know how tv can distort facts, but I thought they had camera shots of his car being moved in the late evening (which he had to do) and then coming back early that morning.... Suspicious? Yes! But that one I'll remain on the fence about for now even though the neighbor saw CP's car in his parents driveway....

I know, I know. Wrong thread. Off-topic! :doh:

 

[PolkSaladAnnie]

From the tv show I watched about the Porco case, it didn't seem like his alibi was that tight, PSA. Was it really? I know how tv can distort facts, but I thought they had camera shots of his car being moved in the late evening (which he had to do) and then coming back early that morning.... Suspicious? Yes! But that one I'll remain on the fence about for now even though the neighbor saw CP's car in his parents driveway....

I know, I know. Wrong thread. Off-topic! :doh:

(Only bringing here as reference, lol)

Sorry - you're quite right: let me re-phrase: PORCO believed he had committed the perfect crime. Indeed the tapes revealed his timeline. The difference here is that those details were relased to the press.

NOTHING has been released other than Jason doubling-up then being handed court-issued probable cause on his return to hand in cars, cases, luggage; and immediately thereafter he lawyered-up. He steered clear of Michelle's family at the funeral - and was whisked away. Silence...

Soooo ---- that's exactly my point: there has to be SOMETHING to protect.

LOL! Thanks for helping me clarify my point, heh...

 

[Taximom]

(Only bringing here as reference, lol)

Sorry - you're quite right: let me re-phrase: PORCO believed he had committed the perfect crime. Indeed the tapes revealed his timeline. The difference here is that those details were relased to the press.

NOTHING has been released other than Jason doubling-up then being handed court-issued probable cause on his return to hand in cars, cases, luggage; and immediately thereafter he lawyered-up. He steered clear of Michelle's family at the funeral - and was whisked away. Silence...

Soooo ---- that's exactly my point: there has to be SOMETHING to protect.

LOL! Thanks for helping me clarify my point, heh...

I would still be on the fence if Jason was meeting with investigators to help them find (famous phrase, ready?) the real killer. His silence in that regard says it for me.

Although I do think there is enough of a bad reputation going around regarding NC (or at least Raleigh) law enforcement to be careful and get a lawyer. But for pete's sake, don't run and hide when your wife has been murdered in cold blood and the killer could still be loose! ( )

My feelings about Scott Peterson or anyone else I've mentioned in passing have nothing to do with my opinions about this case. I don't always think the husband did it.:innocent:

 

[PolkSaladAnnie]

I would still be on the fence if Jason was meeting with investigators to help them find (famous phrase, ready?) the real killer. His silence in that regard says it for me.

Although I do think there is enough of a bad reputation going around regarding NC (or at least Raleigh) law enforcement to be careful and get a lawyer. But for pete's sake, don't run and hide when your wife has been murdered in cold blood and the killer could still be loose! ( )

My feelings about Scott Peterson or anyone else I've mentioned in passing have nothing to do with my opinions about this case. I don't always think the husband did it.:innocent:

Ag! The 'real killers' ... yep, heard that before.
Run & hide? ... looks like, feels like ... but is it?
And yes, I agree - some husband's didn;t do it. Maybe their predecessor or successor did instead

I know whatcha mean ...

 

[PolkSaladAnnie]

Taximom - I just watched 48hrs with the 2 college kids that killed a set of parents and an autistic sister in 1995: the prosecution went through one of the accused's perfect crime plan during trial. Hell, they thought of everything - and were convicted in 2004, I think. (Don't know that case well, though - only what was TV..)

My Q: with technology, DNA, etc - people who plan murders have to ensure 2 critical things in a plan that is elaborately designed: alibi/timeline and DNA. Do you think if Jason did this, he'd have carved up an plan that included these aspects?