Michelle Young ~ Pregnant Mother NC Part 2

[PolkSaladAnnie]

I've heard recently that the leading cause of death amongst pregnant women is murder. That is a very significant statistic. Strangers usually don't have a reason to murder a pregnant woman, but the partner does.

As far as digging up dirt on Jason, what I would like to know is where he worked up until 3 months ago and why he quit that job. Sure there may be more money in software sales, but is software sales consistent with his education and career path?

Boy, are yu ever right there, otto. The figures, stats, stories and atrocities in the husband/spouse arena top ANY other motivational crime!

Can you credit it?

Mind blowing. Naturally - when you look at these stats; list cases (rather than me c/pasting hundreds articles - just as easy to google) and the shock will defnitely set in.

And guess what? "they were all great relationships; no-one suspeted anything; why would he do something like this; both delighted with the new baby ... she was looking forward to being home with the baby ....the community was shocked; family and friends refused to believe it ...."

Ay, ay, ay ayyyy ay! Happens more than is reported, sadly...

 

[otto]

Otto,

I read this article once about how the average person is photographed between 7 and 27 times a day when they are out in public. I can't recall where I read it but anyway, by this point in time I think it would be a good assumption that your thoughts have been pursued as well as review of credit card information relating to specific charges made on the 2nd and 3rd of November. And maybe at least a preliminary review of phone information.

I am curious about a couple of things as well. There has been no information about Enchanted Oaks being a gated community however I do wonder how many actual entrances there are to the community and if there is any kind of surveillance associated with the entrances.

The other thing I do wonder about is one poster has mentioned that on one of Greta's shows, Greta and Jim Hammer were talking about a sign in the yard for a burglar alarm. Of course we do not know that if there is a system in the house, if it was in use. But I do go back to this very early statement about the crime not being random and no forced entry. I am wondering if the alarm had been set, and I go back to Strach's observation about the ladder in the garage - sometimes the main control unit is located in the garage. These units typically can be down loaded to determine times when alarms are set, turned off and so on. Sometimes when a keyless garage or entry system is present - the data is routed through the unit as well - this would give times that keyless entry ways were opened. Hmmm....

Regarding no forced entry, I think this is significant. Do houses all have screens on the windows in NC? I'm guessing they do. I have a friend that lives there and when he first moved there he was describing all the bugs, spiders and creepy crawlers. Even if an upstairs window was the point of entry, the screen would have been damaged. Also, Michelle has been described as security conscious and I just can't imagine an intelligent, albeit pregnant, woman with a young daughter not having a 'end of the evening' security check on the house. She would have done whatever she does with the dog (kenneled, garaged, kitchened, etc.) and double checked the doors and windows. I do it every day at the end of the day, just after feeding the fish. It's a routine and I'm pretty sure that Michelle would have done something similar.

If there was security, I agree that there are usually time codes attached to it so that could rule in or out times that people came and went.

About the ladder, if someone used the ladder to enter the house through a second floor window, I would be surprised if they would take the time to put the ladder away in the garage.

 

[otto]

Hi otto - long time!

Porco's crime was heinous. He had abso no blood, dna, etc - and his community were totally shocked (good upbringing, good education, father in LE - lovely home, friends etc ...)

All in your post are great examples - but then we have to tie up their timings/coincidence, etc, of the deceased to the relationship to the POI - and then see if those work with - or clash - into the POI's alibi.

That alibi then has to (er, make that "has to" ...) prove itself against any known/perceived motive the POI may have had to want the victim dead, eg:

Affair
Freedom of responsibility
Inheritance

Or, as dannyodie always wisely reminds us - but not direct translation of the above: sex, drugs, money

The more I think about it, the more I think Jason did it. I may be completely wrong, but someone breaking in to steal things would be investigated differently. Jason would have been told that it looked like a robbery gone wrong and he would have been asked to go through the house to identify what is missing ... that did not happen. Besides, thieves would have better luck going to the house when everyone is away at work and daycare. It does not appear to be a rape, so there was no advantage to breaking into the house in the middle of the night when Michelle was there alone. There just doesn't seem to be any reason for breaking into the house except to murder Michelle. Since she is described as a really terrific, happy, friendly, successful person, why would anyone want to murder her? I just can't seem to add it up to anything except that her husband wanted to end her life.

 

[PolkSaladAnnie]

could he just say , it "must not have been sent" ?

Hiya j2mirish; yes, I suppose he could say that - but let's face it - in order to phone his sil 100's miles away to enure Meredith gets to the house asap to retrieve/hide said fax ... he HAD to have realized he was about to be compromised. Surely he checked? We've already worked out that efaxes would have saved him the hassle; printers meant the document would have had to have been activated ... to deny or claim 'late sending' will not look good - esp after this hal-a-bal-loo...

Maybe he's been awarded too much credit - who knows??

Unless, of course, he was one of those selfish, controlling SOB's that if you didn't listen to him - KAPOW! From what we've read, Jason was fun, great, goofy, clever, intelligent, warm ... so my money is on the fact he HAD to get Meredith to his house....

JMO...

 

[close_enough]

lots of posts to go over, i see!....slept in yesterday, then went bowling, then took a friend of mine to run a few of her errands, WHEW!! ..... HAD to clean house this morning, SO.......i'm going to catch up...anything happen???

 

[otto]

Boy, are yu ever right there, otto. The figures, stats, stories and atrocities in the husband/spouse arena top ANY other motivational crime!

Can you credit it?

Mind blowing. Naturally - when you look at these stats; list cases (rather than me c/pasting hundreds articles - just as easy to google) and the shock will defnitely set in.

And guess what? "they were all great relationships; no-one suspeted anything; why would he do something like this; both delighted with the new baby ... she was looking forward to being home with the baby ....the community was shocked; family and friends refused to believe it ...."

Ay, ay, ay ayyyy ay! Happens more than is reported, sadly...

I typed "preganancy leading cause of death" into google and there are lots of links. Here's one: "The leading cause of death among pregnant women is homicide, according to a study published in the current issue of the Journal of Midwifery and Women's Health." (http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/411212)

""What pregnant women do not know," said American College of Nurse-Midwives Executive Director Deanne Williams, "is that instead of facing joyful celebration at the announcement of pregnancy, too many face violence and death. We have got to do a better job of identifying this problem and helping the women and their partners not end up with such a horrific outcome."

The authors note that the deaths in the study, although not officially reported within maternal mortality ratios, may truly be pregnancy-related in that the violence might not have escalated to result in death had the women not become pregnant."

"Violence in intimate relationships is all about power," said Kim Gandy, president of the National Organization for Women. "There are fewer times when you can have power over a woman than when she's pregnant. She's vulnerable. It's an easier time to threaten her." (http://www.now.org/issues/violence/043003pregnant.html)

 

[PolkSaladAnnie]

The more I think about it, the more I think Jason did it. I may be completely wrong, but someone breaking in to steal things would be investigated differently. Jason would have been told that it looked like a robbery gone wrong and he would have been asked to go through the house to identify what is missing ... that did not happen. Besides, thieves would have better luck going to the house when everyone is away at work and daycare. It does not appear to be a rape, so there was no advantage to breaking into the house in the middle of the night when Michelle was there alone. There just doesn't seem to be any reason for breaking into the house except to murder Michelle. Since she is described as a really terrific, happy, friendly, successful person, why would anyone want to murder her? I just can't seem to add it up to anything except that her husband wanted to end her life.

eYup, otto. At this stage, me too - specially when you add the instant high-prof atties, not talking to LE, michelle's family distancing him, highly conicidental 'business trip' the night of the crime; Cassidy left totally unharmed; nothing taken that we know of; no forcible entry and LE marking this "not a random crime".

Not looking good for Jason ...

 

[PolkSaladAnnie]

lots of posts to go over, i see!....slept in yesterday, then went bowling, then took a friend of mine to run a few of her errands, WHEW!! ..... HAD to clean house this morning, SO.......i'm going to catch up...anything happen???

Hey close! No, not much. Same ole - same ole. Same news, same rumors, same deliberations ... come on in ... hope you've had a good w/end so far

 

[raisincharlie]

Regarding no forced entry, I think this is significant. Do houses all have screens on the windows in NC? I'm guessing they do. I have a friend that lives there and when he first moved there he was describing all the bugs, spiders and creepy crawlers. Even if an upstairs window was the point of entry, the screen would have been damaged. Also, Michelle has been described as security conscious and I just can't imagine an intelligent, albeit pregnant, woman with a young daughter not having a 'end of the evening' security check on the house. She would have done whatever she does with the dog (kenneled, garaged, kitchened, etc.) and double checked the doors and windows. I do it every day at the end of the day, just after feeding the fish. It's a routine and I'm pretty sure that Michelle would have done something similar.

If there was security, I agree that there are usually time codes attached to it so that could rule in or out times that people came and went.

About the ladder, if someone used the ladder to enter the house through a second floor window, I would be surprised if they would take the time to put the ladder away in the garage.

The ladder was being used by the investigative team inside the garage - didn't mean to imply it was used during the crime - this tells me they were most likely recovering an electronic data source possibly related either to the alarm system and/or keyless entry systems.

Your logic concerning getting Jason over to verify anything that may be missing - I think this is a sound direction and a thought provoking observation. Do you tend to think that Michelle's purse was therefore present and possibly undisturbed ? We know the baby was not harmed so both these possibilities would tend to support a non-random crime nature I would think.

 

[PolkSaladAnnie]

Hi again ... re my thoughts 4 hours ago:

Does anyone else think the FAX was missing? Could THAT be why the Jasonites swooped in a couple days later and began "fully informing" us that it was in fact, actually, really, ummm ... a PRINT OUT??

These gentle little tweaks strum my guitar...

 

[PolkSaladAnnie]

My money is on this Sheriff. I think he takes no prisoners and works methodically and consistently: there's no reaon for him to mislead residents. He knows what he's doing and kudos to him for maintaining "mum" on this investigation. I trust what's happening over there ...

 

[close_enough]

close_enough,


Since we worked hard last night looking at the brown spot, I'll throw out something else. Going back to the plat maps, clicking two properties to the south of the Young property I found that that plat is owned by the Enchanted Oaks Homeowners Association. Going back to the aerial and moving down to that plat, you can see a street going into it and there appear to be tennis courts and facilities for other activities.

This post is a work in progress so I'll be editing in more as I can collect it.

First - here is the plat map for the facility - note there is a goldish tab that says Open Photo along the right side of the map - click on this to see the entrance to the facility - kinda of interesting. Hold on

http://imaps.co.wake.nc.us/imaps/main.htm?msize=525&cmd=ZOOMPIN&pin=0781818454

http://www.wakegov.com/realestatephotos/photos/WAKE0209/0261F900.JPG

Maybe this will work.

Note the plat map will not hold what i pulled up but - on the left of the map note the tools - run your cursor over the arrow tool - it should say "Select parcel tool" click on this then go to the plat map and move south - go two properties south of the one currently in red and click - it will turn red. On the right it will show the owner as the Enchanted Oaks Homeowners - just above this is a button that says "Open Photo" - click and you will see the entrance view - it will strike you how desolate a location that is as well.

Here I have moved the aerial to show the pool and tennis courts - the young house is to the north east of this,

http://terraserver.homeadvisor.msn.com/image.aspx?T=4&S=9&Z=17&X=7079&Y=39533&W=1&qs=5108+Birchleaf+Drive%7cRaleigh%7cNC%7c&Addr=5108+Birchleaf+Dr%2c+Raleigh%2c+NC+27606-9360&ALon=-78.6999990&ALat=35.7051710

In addition to the brown spot - this would be a good place to hide in the middle of the night. more than likely however there is some kind of security such as cameras. I keep going back to the sheriff saying this is not a random crime. I ask myself if someone parked in either of these spots , someone just wanting to rob or murder - why would they pick the house located between two other houses, why not choose a more isolated house as there are several a bit more remote. Things are adding up.

yes raisin!...another deslolate type area around there....hmmmm

i feel that whoever did this, did NOT just take a car & pull right up into the driveway....the vehicle had to have been parked elsewhere & the person walked up to the home.....

good work raisin!

 

[close_enough]

Hey close! No, not much. Same ole - same ole. Same news, same rumors, same deliberations ... come on in ... hope you've had a good w/end so far

yes, good weekend, but a a little busier than i would have liked, lol.....

so, something "missing"????....i know i had read some things over at CTV ... the 'handle' ECU mentioned something missing...i didn't read that post, but saw where others were interested in the comment from ECU over there, the other day....

ugh, trying to catch up from the back end here....

 

[Taximom]

Hi again ... re my thoughts 4 hours ago:

Does anyone else think the FAX was missing? Could THAT be why the Jasonites swooped in a couple days later and began "fully informing" us that it was in fact, actually, really, ummm ... a PRINT OUT??

These gentle little tweaks strum my guitar...

Wellll, we don't even really know that there was a fax in the first place, do we?!

I want more info so badly. Actually I'd like justice served quickly in this case, to whomever (whoever?) the perp is.

 

[close_enough]

Just adding 2 little thoughts, but your discussion is most interesting.

Jason no longer has a job - I read that here, and if true, they sure let him go fast!

WHOOPS! LOL

Second thought is that yes it is true he only spoke once to police briefly, but do we know if they tried to speak to him again? Maybe they didn't or he lawyered up- too soon.

Scandi

Jason doesn't have a job now????

 

[PolkSaladAnnie]

Wellll, we don't even really know that there was a fax in the first place, do we?!

I want more info so badly. Actually I'd like justice served quickly in this case, to whomever (whoever?) the perp is.

Hi Taximon! No, we actually ... know nuttin aside from 2 or 3 pale updates to the same press release: and bios on Michelle - plus, sadly the funeral statements and obits. Oh, and of course, Jason's side, courtesy his friends.

Ring a bell???? Rmember the ONE person who never said a THING ??? And all that preceded her was grace, style, warmth, sincerity .... pain, loss and love?

eYup... The sounds of silence...

 

[PolkSaladAnnie]

Jason doesn't have a job now????

I think that';s a rumur borne else where - and I said the same as you (that it was speculation) and it's now evolved into fact!

Bwahahahaaa! Just goes to show the ample fruit of those eternal grape vines are sweeter, bigger, juicer when picked, lol ...

 

[close_enough]

I think that';s a rumur borne else where - and I said the same as you (that it was speculation) and it's now evolved into fact!

Bwahahahaaa! Just goes to show the ample fruit of those eternal grape vines are sweeter, bigger, juicer when picked, lol ...

lol...ok, i'll quit thinking about it then....for now, anyway...

 

[raisincharlie]

Hi again ... re my thoughts 4 hours ago:

Does anyone else think the FAX was missing? Could THAT be why the Jasonites swooped in a couple days later and began "fully informing" us that it was in fact, actually, really, ummm ... a PRINT OUT??

These gentle little tweaks strum my guitar...

PSA

You had to bring this up again huh ?

You know I have studied about this since Fran brought it up and actually Otto kind of jogged my brain a bit more a couple of posts ago.

I think Otto is correct - Jason has not been back to that house and he did not tour it with police to verify if anything was missing. Now we don't know if any other close proximity family member would have done so - or would have been capable of doing so. What we do know for certain is the only person that has been in that house that would have a reasonable knowledge of items in the house was Meredith.

Meredith could verify if there was a fax or print out or whatever it was suppose to be. Since she would have known where to go in the house to get it, she would have known if the machine printing it out or the source (computer) was present or not.

Meredith could also verify if wedding rings and personal items such as MY's purse and such where accounted for.

I'm thinking Meredith could be the only person besides the police to know what is missing. If the fax is missing, does the person who says something is missing defend Jason or not ? I would think NOT if that fax is missing.

 

[raisincharlie]

Wellll, we don't even really know that there was a fax in the first place, do we?!

I want more info so badly. Actually I'd like justice served quickly in this case, to whomever (whoever?) the perp is.

No we don't know if there is a fax but we do know from the Sheriff's mouth in Greta's interview that he was aware the reason Meridith went there was to retrieve a fax.