Michelle Young ~ Pregnant Mother NC Part 2

[Bee Charmer]

That's right. I think it's the interview with Greta where he says that he spoke with Jason for about 5 minutes on November 3. We need to keep in mind that when Jason pulled up to the house, his vehicle was immediately seized. That probably put him off completely and gave him every reason to contact a lawyer to arrange having his things returned. Having his vehicle seized also made him well aware of the fact that he was a suspect, again a good reason to hire a lawyer.

I would love to know the probable cause LE used in
requesting and getting the search warrants for the SUV and the luggage.

 

[PolkSaladAnnie]

That's right. I think it's the interview with Greta where he says that he spoke with Jason for about 5 minutes on November 3. We need to keep in mind that when Jason pulled up to the house, his vehicle was immediately seized. That probably put him off completely and gave him every reason to contact a lawyer to arrange having his things returned. Having his vehicle seized also made him well aware of the fact that he was a suspect, again a good reason to hire a lawyer.

Hi otto! I think .... JY lawyered up prior to the probable cause being issued. Could be wrong, but I think so, lol

 

[close_enough]

You are quite welcome j2mirish ! I know it gets confusing but to simplify I just remember what the sheriff has said. Not much but that's all we "know".

I'm not hot on the "friends" - each will have their own agenda - some of it may be as simple as baiting, some may be entirely sincere - its hard to know which is being tossed out.

ok...last week, we read that a 'friend' posted ctv...this friend didn't think JY was guilty, or at the least would be shocked if he were...said things like...no way, JY doesn't have it in him to do something this brutal, etc.......this was the very same 'friend' that posted some comments about what JY told folks at the funeral, ONE being that he left the house that evening for an early morning meeting in VA....well, we know now that it WAS said BY Jason to someone....this 'friend' also said he/she was told by JY that he called his home & talked to Michelle at around 11pm.........i'm rambling...my point is, that i think SOME of these things the 'friends' are posting are truths, as far as what they've been told by JY, or thru the grapevine of what he's told others, as far as what happened that night.......

 

[oceanblueeyes]

Go on Blue Eyes, I'd like to see that list of wives that have killed their husbands, especially because of a pregnancy.

I'm am going by statistics and the actions of this particular husband, who apparently would rather retain an attorney and remain silent, then go to the police station, with or without his lawyer and cooperate with the LE in finding the monster responsible for murdering his wife and unborn child. That kind of behavior makes me very suspicious.

LOL I am sure you would......that would be a riot wouldn't it? I can say with assuredness that all 454 women last year that murdered their SO, none of the victims were pregnant! :laugh:

I am sorry, I was just going by overall females murdered, not the statistics on ones that are pregnant.

I have already stated many times the stats do escalate the husband/bf/lover or ex when the victim is pregnant.

But I have also said and believe .....no stat is an absolute and automatically makes another person guilty just because the stats are high.

Each case rises and falls on its own merits as this one will do. You are probably right that he did do this but until we have evidence of that.......we do not know which category he will land in.

The obtaining a lawyer is not a big flag imo, we have seen others obtain attorneys that were innocent. Some people do not want to be accused of murder and that is exactly how the police works. Ask John Mason.....he said the police were down his throat wanting him to confess that he had harmed Jennifer and did something with her body. Sounds pretty scary to me.

IMO

Ocean

 

[close_enough]

SCREAMS AT ME TOOOO !

doesn't it though???....you're wife has been brutally murdered in your own home, while your 2 yr old is there, & you don't want to go thru the house & check it out for anything missing???....you don't want to help LE with investigating???.....surely, even a defense atty would think that a good idea...to help w/the investigation....UNLESS, you're wanting LE to PROVE you did something wrong....just odd, imo.....

it's like JY is thinking...i'm not helping you out here....YOU figure it out...YOU prove that i did something wrong.....

 

[Boyz_Mum]

So brief, in fact, it may even have been "G'day sir/G'Day m'am" when he was issued the probable cause.

OK. I concede. That's acidic ... maybe there was a brief phone call.

Maybe the Sheriff is going "take all the time you need, we're not going anywhere and this case is not going away...".

Suffice to add, charlie, I see JY as having no inteest whatsoever to assist LE. To the point he's happy to do a U turn on anything they need. Just as that Michael Flether did while he was in jail on the day of Leann's funeral: he got a last minute order to get a 2nd autopsy done THAT DAY!!!

(PSA- I believe it was M. Fletcher who shot his wife under the guise of lovemaking- I believe he approached her from behind to catch her in a very vulnerable position. I am not positive but did anyone else see this story on one of the crime shows?)

 

[oceanblueeyes]

well, i guess :waitasec: .....but the Sheriff made it clear that they hadn't talked with JY since Nov 3rd, & that it was "briefly".....

Yes, I think he said they spoke with him for about 15 minutes.

IMO

Ocean

 

[close_enough]

LOL I am sure you would......that would be a riot wouldn't it? I can say with assuredness that all 454 women last year that murdered their SO, none of the victims were pregnant! :laugh:

I am sorry, I was just going by overall females murdered, not the statistics on ones that are pregnant.

I have already stated many times the stats do escalate the husband/bf/lover or ex when the victim is pregnant.

But I have also said and believe .....no stat is an absolute and automatically makes another person guilty just because the stats are high.

Each case rises and falls on its own merits as this one will do. You are probably right that he did do this but until we have evidence of that.......we do not know which category he will land in.

The obtaining a lawyer is not a big flag imo, we have seen others obtain attorneys that were innocent. Some people do not want to be accused of murder and that is exactly how the police works. Ask John Mason.....he said the police were down his throat wanting him to confess that he had harmed Jennifer and did something with her body. Sounds pretty scary to me.
IMO

Ocean

YES, i thought of this case the other night...(the bug-eyed girl, right??)....but as it turned out, he wasn't involved.....soooooo i'm slowly starting to not be TOO surprised when a person lawyers up, BUT for the most part, don't folks at least talk with LE WITH their lawyer present???....JY hasn't even done this, as far as we know, from what the Sheriff said the other night.....he lawyers up & says nothing.....even D Horowitz said, one night last week, that IF he were JY's lawyer, he'd have him cooperating to the fullest..."what do you want us to do"???...things like that...

also you brought something up a few posts back....it's been plenty long enough for LE to verify JY's alibi/timeline......i would think you're right ..... maybe some forensics hasn't come back, but one WOULD think they know already his whereabouts....would checking phone records/cell towers take awhile though???

 

[raisincharlie]

ok...last week, we read that a 'friend' posted ctv...this friend didn't think JY was guilty, or at the least would be shocked if he were...said things like...no way, JY doesn't have it in him to do something this brutal, etc.......this was the very same 'friend' that posted some comments about what JY told folks at the funeral, ONE being that he left the house that evening for an early morning meeting in VA....well, we know now that it WAS said BY Jason to someone....this 'friend' also said he/she was told by JY that he called his home & talked to Michelle at around 11pm.........i'm rambling...my point is, that i think SOME of these things the 'friends' are posting are truths, as far as what they've been told by JY, or thru the grapevine of what he's told others, as far as what happened that night.......

close_enough,

I am sure that some of the "friends" are sincere and whatever their motivation is for posting on a message board things they have heard or heard second and third hand are well intentioned. There may be some truth but there may be be some misinformation as well. Bottom line is it is impossible to tell the truth from fiction. I remember a game when I was younger where one person would whisper something to the person next to them and then this would be passed to the next and the next and the last person would say it out loud, most of the time when it got to the end it was a very different statement than the one first uttered.

My own personal make up makes me want to hear things from the horse's mouth in person. I live in the show me state - and it is definitely integrated into my make up - show me. I do not mean to imply these are bad folks or bad intentioned folks - but I learned long ago to avoid rumor - it only complicates a situation. In this case, this is definitely a very serious situation.

 

[j2mirish]

That's right. I think it's the interview with Greta where he says that he spoke with Jason for about 5 minutes on November 3. We need to keep in mind that when Jason pulled up to the house, his vehicle was immediately seized. That probably put him off completely and gave him every reason to contact a lawyer to arrange having his things returned. Having his vehicle seized also made him well aware of the fact that he was a suspect, again a good reason to hire a lawyer.

thanks otto- I hate to admitt I did not know that is where & when his car was taken--makes even more sense to me he lawyered up ---wouldnt it have made more sense for le to take him into the house, feel him out, then take the car? talk about being put on the defensive-

 

[oceanblueeyes]

doesn't it though???....you're wife has been brutally murdered in your own home, while your 2 yr old is there, & you don't want to go thru the house & check it out for anything missing???....you don't want to help LE with investigating???.....surely, even a defense atty would think that a good idea...to help w/the investigation....UNLESS, you're wanting LE to PROVE you did something wrong....just odd, imo.....

it's like JY is thinking...i'm not helping you out here....YOU figure it out...YOU prove that i did something wrong.....

I really dont think anyone would relish or want to go back into that home that has just been released. All the blood and gore is still there. If something was missing then the police have got to already know about that imo. The "friends" stated they know and some of them know people that have been interrogated.

Yes, that is exactly what I think JY is saying: "Find out who did it, that is your job not mine to solve who killed my wife and baby".

IMO

Ocean

 

[PolkSaladAnnie]

Hi PSA!

Yes I am aware of those statistics and that the odds go up but it still does not make things an absolute.


that's all I am saying.

IMO

Ocean

Hi Ocean, of course, I agree - definitely doesn't have to be absolute; I wouldn't be *nearly* as skeptical if JY had 'gone through the motions' as Michelle's family had to go through. He didn't; sure he lawyered up - he was the spouse.

However, the last person know to be with the victim and the person discovering the body are usually just as 'suspicious'. We've heard of no lawyering up there.

He's been 'very brief' with LE; and stayed outta Dodge since. What we have heard ... ehem ... leather purse for Christmas, then that changed to anniversary - requiring urgent,.written, faxed documents??

Michelle's family have, for whatever reason, distanced themselves from JY - and he clearly showed zero support *with* them at the funeral. NOTHING! Not even a warm hug to a mom, sister and dad who lost a dau and grandson-to be??? Please! And this is supposed to be a couple IN LOVE - no family issues, embracing the world together?

Doesn't gel. What has gelled is Sheriff's methodical focus and getting on with what he needs to get on with - he's got no interest in the media, attention, etc ...

Nevertheless, statistics are a major contributing factor and I hope JY did not do this. Lord, because if he did ... this is a deadly disease. JMO

 

[j2mirish]

Hi Ocean, of course, I agree - definitely doesn't have to be absolute; I wouldn't be *nearly* as skeptical if JY had 'gone through the motions' as Michelle's family had to go through. He didn't; sure he lawyered up - he was the spouse.

However, the last person know to be with the victim and the person discovering the body are usually just as 'suspicious'. We've heard of no lawyering up there.

He's been 'very brief' with LE; and stayed outta Dodge since. What we have heard ... ehem ... leather purse for Christmas, then that changed to anniversary - requiring urgent,.written, faxed documents??

Michelle's family have, for whatever reason, distanced themselves from JY - and he clearly showed zero support *with* them at the funeral. NOTHING! Not even a warm hug to a mom, sister and dad who lost a dau and grandson-to be??? Please! And this is supposed to be a couple IN LOVE - no family issues, embracing the world together?

Doesn't gel. What has gelled is Sheriff's methodical focus and getting on with what he needs to get on with - he's got no interest in the media, attention, etc ...

Nevertheless, statistics are a major contributing factor and I hope JY did not do this. Lord, because if he did ... this is a deadly disease. JMO

is the leather purse a fact, or more "friends" talking

just throwing out thoughts here--- maybe they didnt like each other much to begin with? perhaps they ( like us) made comments to him about him being involved ( because of isp) maybe her family is the one that showed no emotion to him because of the " husband must have done it" thought process-- not to say he didnt- but do you get my drift?

 

[raisincharlie]

So brief, in fact, it may even have been "G'day sir/G'Day m'am" when he was issued the probable cause.

OK. I concede. That's acidic ... maybe there was a brief phone call.

Maybe the Sheriff is going "take all the time you need, we're not going anywhere and this case is not going away...".

Suffice to add, charlie, I see JY as having no inteest whatsoever to assist LE. To the point he's happy to do a U turn on anything they need. Just as that Michael Flether did while he was in jail on the day of Leann's funeral: he got a last minute order to get a 2nd autopsy done THAT DAY!!!

I don't disagree - I would think that cooperation in finding who killed his spouse would be a top priority for this young man. I too find it surprising that he has not been more forthcoming. I'm not sure it makes him guilty, as much as it just makes us think or suspect he is guilty.

I must say I am struck by his lack of involvement - but there is another side to the coin - what if the police have made no effort other than the court order for his prints and samples to talk to him - should we suspect he is not cooperating if the plolice have made no effort ? I myself am going to disreguard his lack of appearance because it simply does not say to me IMO that he is uncooperative.

What does say more to me however is the lawyer JY has also represents Collin Finnerty - as I recall he (Finnerty) has made efforts to contact the police to tell his story, gave samples, and in fact has was part of a press conference. So I am not sure why this same lawyer would advise JY to go away and say nothing.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

YES, i thought of this case the other night...(the bug-eyed girl, right??)....but as it turned out, he wasn't involved.....soooooo i'm slowly starting to not be TOO surprised when a person lawyers up, BUT for the most part, don't folks at least talk with LE WITH their lawyer present???....JY hasn't even done this, as far as we know, from what the Sheriff said the other night.....he lawyers up & says nothing.....even D Horowitz said, one night last week, that IF he were JY's lawyer, he'd have him cooperating to the fullest..."what do you want us to do"???...things like that...

also you brought something up a few posts back....it's been plenty long enough for LE to verify JY's alibi/timeline......i would think you're right ..... maybe some forensics hasn't come back, but one WOULD think they know already his whereabouts....would checking phone records/cell towers take awhile though???

Right, Dan is a prince of a man. He was totally open from the get go and it worked for him...well lol with the police department but I wonder if they hadn't found evidence against Dyleski if Dan would still be blamed by some either way. Thank goodness the evidence was fast flowing in that case.

Yes, some do speak with their attorneys present or some attorneys act as go betweens and will talk with the police, consult with their client and call LE back with the answer. The Sheriff only said that he had only talked to Jason once for about 15 minutes but he did not say if they have been in contact with his lawyers. Remember how many meetings the Duke attorneys were having with the DA when the case first unfolded? So it happens.

IMO

Ocean

 

[close_enough]

close_enough,

I am sure that some of the "friends" are sincere and whatever their motivation is for posting on a message board things they have heard or heard second and third hand are well intentioned. There may be some truth but there may be be some misinformation as well. Bottom line is it is impossible to tell the truth from fiction. I remember a game when I was younger where one person would whisper something to the person next to them and then this would be passed to the next and the next and the last person would say it out loud, most of the time when it got to the end it was a very different statement than the one first uttered.

My own personal make up makes me want to hear things from the horse's mouth in person. I live in the show me state - and it is definitely integrated into my make up - show me. I do not mean to imply these are bad folks or bad intentioned folks - but I learned long ago to avoid rumor - it only complicates a situation. In this case, this is definitely a very serious situation.

i understand raisin, & i'm glad there are folks here to 'set me straight', so to speak

 

[PolkSaladAnnie]

(PSA- I believe it was M. Fletcher who shot his wife under the guise of lovemaking- I believe he approached her from behind to catch her in a very vulnerable position. I am not positive but did anyone else see this story on one of the crime shows?)

Hi Boyz_Mum: nice to be in here same time as you. Thanks for this - yes that's one and same: she was found with only a top and bra on - he claimed he had to go to the bathroom and asked her to load the gun and it went off ...and yes ... they were about to get romantic? (Geeezsh... that's one story I'd have settled my gaze on him, then 'dead-panned' across the room to every other person looking them in the eye, put my pen down and leapt up to slap him!)

They had a 3 yo dau and Leann about 3 (max) mos preg.

ANOTHER statistic; let's hope JY didn't do it and helps the trend turn and stops this disgusting habit from spirally. It's vicious.

 

[close_enough]

I really dont think anyone would relish or want to go back into that home that has just been released. All the blood and gore is still there. If something was missing then the police have got to already know about that imo. The "friends" stated they know and some of them know people that have been interrogated.

Yes, that is exactly what I think JY is saying: "Find out who did it, that is your job not mine to solve who killed my wife and baby".

IMO

Ocean

all good points Ocean....i just scratch my head thinking...just seems JY would be talking to LE & asking a thousand questions though....."was anything missing?"...."do you have any leads?"...."is there anything i can do to help?", etc........(sighs)

 

[otto]

Yes, I think he said they spoke with him for about 15 minutes.

IMO

Ocean

I went back to the Greta interview with the Sheriff and he said that they had a "brief" conversation with Jason when they contacted him on Nov 3.

There's another interview that looks interesting. I was halfway through, just when they start talking about the garage door, and the video glitched and stopped so I'm watching it again.

http://www.foxnews.com/video2/playe...helle Young?&On the Record&-1&Shows&880&&&exp

 

[oceanblueeyes]

Hi Ocean, of course, I agree - definitely doesn't have to be absolute; I wouldn't be *nearly* as skeptical if JY had 'gone through the motions' as Michelle's family had to go through. He didn't; sure he lawyered up - he was the spouse.

However, the last person know to be with the victim and the person discovering the body are usually just as 'suspicious'. We've heard of no lawyering up there.

He's been 'very brief' with LE; and stayed outta Dodge since. What we have heard ... ehem ... leather purse for Christmas, then that changed to anniversary - requiring urgent,.written, faxed documents??

Michelle's family have, for whatever reason, distanced themselves from JY - and he clearly showed zero support *with* them at the funeral. NOTHING! Not even a warm hug to a mom, sister and dad who lost a dau and grandson-to be??? Please! And this is supposed to be a couple IN LOVE - no family issues, embracing the world together?

Doesn't gel. What has gelled is Sheriff's methodical focus and getting on with what he needs to get on with - he's got no interest in the media, attention, etc ...

Nevertheless, statistics are a major contributing factor and I hope JY did not do this. Lord, because if he did ... this is a deadly disease. JMO

Ok I am confused. Where is it coming from that he received no support from Michelle's family or gave none to them. Last I heard they absolutely think Jason had nothing to do with any of this.

Help, I am lost now! lol

IMO

Ocean