Michelle Young ~ Pregnant Mother NC Part 3

[otto]

All interesting thoughts Ocean,

Another thought is that when read at CTV so many of the posters with very few posts to their name are trying to make us think along the lines of an intruder. One girl posted a 4 line post why this is probably the case, and on the next page it was already adopted!

The one post in the comment section at is by a local named Joe {I've seen him at CTV too} and he says they should look at the 15 yr old who livede in the house next door and was in the house earlier that night. That is an interesting thought. Nothing has been mentioned about him being in the house that night except for Joe's comment that I can find. I think it is a plant to throw suspicion off Jason.

Scandi

The rumour about the 15 year old was started shortly after this story hit the news. It was posted by someone named "enchanted oaks" on the abc message boards and then was posted here and at CTV. The CTV posts were from "enchanted oaks" and the posts here were linked to the abc page.

Someone came on the abc thread in defense of the 15 year old - with clear concerns about legal rights being violated. The reason fingers were pointed at him were because he plucked his eyebrows, plucked his eye lashes, was scary, the neighbours moved away because he was so scary and he was weird (summarized). All posts were removed because pointing a finger at a 15 year old child is pretty serious. I would be very reluctant to try to blame a child because someone doesn't like the way he looks ... teenagers are always experimenting with their image.

Other original rumours were that he looked after the Young's dog when they were away. There was never any mention of him being in the house that night. I think someone is trying to have this 15 year-old story take on a life of it's own. Personally, I think we should be careful about trying to implicate a child in this murder. I would really not like to see someone's life ruined at such a young age because the media/forums are looking for a scapegoat. If he is involved, the police will release that information. JMO

 

[j2mirish]

ya'll must thingk I am defending jason- cause I throw a few posts out there and ya'll disappear--- I feel like major posting killer here !!


Hope everyone has a safe and fabulous holiday--- happy thanksgiving--:blowkiss:

j2m

 

[strach304]

You know Otto where I come from being a murderer at age 13 isn't all that uncommon so from experience I can't rule out the neighbor just because he's 15 and we don't know the age of the friend. He didn't have to be the killer either but rather an accompice or the friend could have zeroed in on the Young's from being at this boys house. He may have even given the friend info unknowingly. The EnchantedOaks poster also said this boy had behavior and emotional problems and was kicked out of many schools. I don't think they just didn't like their looks or targeted them for being strange.

 

[Topsail Girl]

Ottto - you are exactly right with your post. Just a couple of days after this happened someone was on a local (abc) news board posting under the name "birchleaf" and posted about the 15 year old. She/He got in a few posts totally implicating this 15 year old and then suddenly the thread was gone. A couple of days later it the same thing happened again only the poster was using the nic "enchanted oaks" IIRC. Finally after the second thread got yanked, I started trying to find info from Courttv and here at Websleuths. I for one am almost positive the poster under them name of "birchleaf" said specifically the boy was visiting Michelle the night of the murder among other friends. I said as much at another board but was quickly admonished that it wasn't the case. Soooo.. I'm not sure. I do know the 15 year old was said to have caused a great deal of problems to the previous owner of the Young house, so much so that they decided to sell. And yes I did read that he plucked out his eyebrows and eyelashes. I suggested that maybe Michelle was trying to be a friend to him in hope of helping him resolve his emotional and behavioral problems but again was admonished that Michelle did not know this boy/didn't associate with this boy. I have no opinion on whether or not this child committed the crime but I can not imagine the pain he and his family have endured with the finger pointing that has happened. Just as it's public record of the Young home - so is the neighbors info and it wouldn't take long to figure out who this "birchleaf" person was talking about. In that sense I suppose it has been a good thing that the sherriff and media have been so tight lipped with info or else this 15 year old surely would have been harrassed at school and in the neighborhood if not publicly by the media.

The rumour about the 15 year old was started shortly after this story hit the news. It was posted by someone named "enchanted oaks" on the abc message boards and then was posted here and at CTV. The CTV posts were from "enchanted oaks" and the posts here were linked to the abc page.

Someone came on the abc thread in defense of the 15 year old - with clear concerns about legal rights being violated. The reason fingers were pointed at him were because he plucked his eyebrows, plucked his eye lashes, was scary, the neighbours moved away because he was so scary and he was weird (summarized). All posts were removed because pointing a finger at a 15 year old child is pretty serious. I would be very reluctant to try to blame a child because someone doesn't like the way he looks ... teenagers are always experimenting with their image.

Other original rumours were that he looked after the Young's dog when they were away. There was never any mention of him being in the house that night. I think someone is trying to have this 15 year-old story take on a life of it's own. Personally, I think we should be careful about trying to implicate a child in this murder. I would really not like to see someone's life ruined at such a young age because the media/forums are looking for a scapegoat. If he is involved, the police will release that information. JMO

 

[scandi]

doesnt anyone besides myself, think that if a 2-3 year old SAW her father do this to her mommy--- she would be hysterical? she seems so calm--- just jabbering away with auntie....I just think she would be very very upset if she saw it happen--- Not saying he didnt do it, but i do not believe she saw what happened to her mommy-

I didn't see any bedrooms on the main floor, so I assume her bedroom is upstairs. It all depends on so many factors as to whether she saw what happened, only heard what happened or just slept through it and woke up in the morning at her usual time.

Say she slept through it, she still would have had hours alone there with her mommy to calm down after she saw she had been hurt. I just can't imagine that such a horrendous crime with a dog in the house didn't wake her up.

We won't know until they give us a bone. Whatever, it was an awful thing to let this happen to a little girl. I keep thinking of that Poster Joe and what he said. Whoever did this cared more about the little girl than her mom.

Scandi

 

[Topsail Girl]

ya'll must thingk I am defending jason- cause I throw a few posts out there and ya'll disappear--- I feel like major posting killer here !!


Hope everyone has a safe and fabulous holiday--- happy thanksgiving--:blowkiss:

j2m

LOL posting killer - I must admit I'd have to go back and read your posts to form an opinion on that. I for one have been a member here for a while but rarely post - rarely have the time. This case has torn me up inside as it is in my hometown - born and raised in Raleigh now I live about 10 miles outside. It reminds me so much of the Peterson west trial and I can not wrap my head around the fact that this beautiful woman and baby boy have been murdered right here next to my home. This board is a wonderful place to discuss and debate - enjoy!!

 

[Topsail Girl]

Snipped - I keep thinking of that Poster Joe and what he said. Whoever did this cared more about the little girl than her mom.

Scandi[/QUOTE]
Scandi,

I'm not positive but this Joe - also known as captain joe, is not a local - he does however have a good talent in cutting and pasting any and everything from one board to another - I called him out on it at Misfits and at Courttv and asked him why he was doing it. Unfortunately at the time he was repeating the info about the 15 year old and it all got zapped from courttv with a strong warning from coldwater or else I would link you to the page that I challenged him with. He did admit to posting under many nics at many boards. I may be able to find it from misfits and if so I'll provide that link. While I do agree with the fact that the murderer cared mor for the little girl than Michelle I do NOT think it was Joe's original thought but actually someone elses that he simply cut and pasted and claimed as his own. I know, I know I'm really going out on a limb here by accusing such things but I really do think I can find the original link

 

[Topsail Girl]

aahhh here it is - I provided the link and some other info then immediately found it posted at another sight. Soooo I asked him about it..........

Layout of the house and pic of house from tax office:
http://msweb01.co.wake.nc.us/realestate/Account.asp?id=0156150&stype=owner&owner=young%2C+jason&spg=1&cd=01&loc=5108++BIRCHLEAF+DR&des=LO34+ENCHANTED+OAKS+SC2+86%2D1150+PH1&pin=0781818454&page=1
click on the black tabs and find some interesting info.
1. Taxes haven't been paid for 9-0-06, maybe money troubles.
2. Five families have lived in this house since 1991, maybe the rumors about the neighbors are true.

Posted by: Captain Joe | November 14, 2006 07:22 PM


Arial view of the house, lotza trees.
http://imaps.co.wake.nc.us/imaps/main.htm?msize=525&cmd=ZOOMPIN&pin=0781818454


Posted by: Captain Joe | November 14, 2006 07:52 PM


Garage door opener was broken, garage door was half open.


Posted by: Captain Joe | November 14, 2006 08:17 PM


Captain Joe are you browsing everything at CTV and posting it here?


Posted by: Topsail Girl | November 14, 2006 08:31 PM


just curious if that's what you're doing...


Posted by: Topsail Girl | November 14, 2006 08:32 PM


Interesting about the garage door. I hadn't heard that before.


Posted by: Nadine | November 14, 2006 08:42 PM


that's because a poster at CTV with ONE post under their belt posted it and immediatley it showed up here.....hhhmmmmm


Posted by: topsail girl | November 14, 2006 08:48 PM


Captain Joe, was there a link connected to that open garage theory?

 

[Topsail Girl]

And here is the rest of it...

I post on several boards under several noms des plumes.

Posted by: Captain Joe | November 14, 2006 09:42 PM


I saw the open door story on two boards and one news report.


Posted by: Captain Joe | November 14, 2006 09:45 PM


I haven't read about the garage door anywhere except CTV so I would love to see a link to a news report.


Posted by: topsail girl | November 14, 2006 09:51 PM

 

[otto]

aahhh here it is - I provided the link and some other info then immediately found it posted at another sight. Soooo I asked him about it..........

Layout of the house and pic of house from tax office:
http://msweb01.co.wake.nc.us/realestate/Account.asp?id=0156150&stype=owner&owner=young%2C+jason&spg=1&cd=01&loc=5108++BIRCHLEAF+DR&des=LO34+ENCHANTED+OAKS+SC2+86%2D1150+PH1&pin=0781818454&page=1
click on the black tabs and find some interesting info.
1. Taxes haven't been paid for 9-0-06, maybe money troubles.
2. Five families have lived in this house since 1991, maybe the rumors about the neighbors are true.

Posted by: Captain Joe | November 14, 2006 07:22 PM


Arial view of the house, lotza trees.
http://imaps.co.wake.nc.us/imaps/main.htm?msize=525&cmd=ZOOMPIN&pin=0781818454


Posted by: Captain Joe | November 14, 2006 07:52 PM


Garage door opener was broken, garage door was half open.


Posted by: Captain Joe | November 14, 2006 08:17 PM


Captain Joe are you browsing everything at CTV and posting it here?


Posted by: Topsail Girl | November 14, 2006 08:31 PM


just curious if that's what you're doing...


Posted by: Topsail Girl | November 14, 2006 08:32 PM


Interesting about the garage door. I hadn't heard that before.


Posted by: Nadine | November 14, 2006 08:42 PM


that's because a poster at CTV with ONE post under their belt posted it and immediatley it showed up here.....hhhmmmmm


Posted by: topsail girl | November 14, 2006 08:48 PM


Captain Joe, was there a link connected to that open garage theory?

There is a media link that's been posted here a couple of times. It describes the scene at midnight November 4 including lamps, honda and garage door slightly open - nothing mentioned about a garage door opener. Garage door is open in some photos and closed in others. If the garage door opener was broken, it would still be stuck at slightly open ... and not pictured as open and closed while the crime scene tape was still up or just down.

Joe is embellishing info ... as you say.

 

[Topsail Girl]

There is a media link that's been posted here a couple of times. It describes the scene at midnight November 4 including lamps, honda and garage door slightly open - nothing mentioned about a garage door opener. Garage door is open in some photos and closed in others. If the garage door opener was broken, it would still be stuck at slightly open ... and not pictured as open and closed while the crime scene tape was still up or just down.

Joe is embellishing info ... as you say.

Yes and when I asked him for a link about the garage door he never answered. Again it was because a poster at Courttv with one post - no make that two - had typed that info about the garage door. Needless to say I never got the link....and that was what? November 14th when I asked for it....so we know that false info is being posted or in the least insider info that has not been made public. I have my own opinions about which of the two it is.

 

[j2mirish]

Yes and when I asked him for a link about the garage door he never answered. Again it was because a poster at Courttv with one post - no make that two - had typed that info about the garage door. Needless to say I never got the link....and that was what? November 14th when I asked for it....so we know that false info is being posted or in the least insider info that has not been made public. I have my own opinions about which of the two it is.

so which is it? false info, or insider info--- and if it is insider, does that mean it is good info? who is the " insider" in your opinion?

 

[scandi]

Thanks Topsail, I thought as much, and I'm glad you put him on the spot! I know something was quirky about his comment on the 15 year old. I wasn't studying the case when all that was talked about. I also hope someone called him on his rude comment about the taxes as they weren't due til Jan!

I'm trying to remember a case where there have been so many posters that seem to know the victim and family. When you think about it seems very unusual, don't you think? If there is an agenda at least we are aware of it and take what is posted with a big pinch of salt!

Scandi

 

[otto]

And here is the rest of it...

I post on several boards under several noms des plumes.

Posted by: Captain Joe | November 14, 2006 09:42 PM


I saw the open door story on two boards and one news report.


Posted by: Captain Joe | November 14, 2006 09:45 PM


I haven't read about the garage door anywhere except CTV so I would love to see a link to a news report.


Posted by: topsail girl | November 14, 2006 09:51 PM

Note: there were no garage door opener repair people on site during the two weeks while the crime scene tape was up - certainly the media would have caught that event. Joe isn't the only person that scours the forum for info and then posts it as though it is a foregone conclusions. The phone calls at 11 in the evening, the doctor's appointments, the phone calls in the morning, the missing "thing" and more are all rumour at this time.

Garage door open: http://www.foxnews.com/photoessay/0,4644,1264,00.html#10_0

Video with Greta ... go to 3 min 43 seconds and see picture of garage door closed: http://www.foxnews.com/video2/playe...helle Young?&On the Record&-1&Shows&327&&&exp

The information about the garage door: "On Friday, a porch light and two lampposts on brick pillars beside the driveway burned, and a pumpkin rested on the front stoop. A gray Honda sedan was parked in the driveway near two basketball hoops, one of them child-size. A garage door was left half open." http://www.newsobserver.com/167/story/506181.html

 

[scandi]

One thing I never got clear was about the alarm system in the house that was talked about on Greta. Does anyone know about it, whether they had one and if it had been set?

Scandi

 

[raisincharlie]

Thanks Topsail, I thought as much, and I'm glad you put him on the spot! I know something was quirky about his comment on the 15 year old. I wasn't studying the case when all that was talked about. I also hope someone called him on his rude comment about the taxes as they weren't due til Jan!

I'm trying to remember a case where there have been so many posters that seem to know the victim and family. When you think about it seems very unusual, don't you think? If there is an agenda at least we are aware of it and take what is posted with a big pinch of salt!

Scandi

Scandi,

One thing I think we all probably should keep in mind is just who JY has a lawyer. Not saying he is a bad lawyer but IMO those defense lawyers in the Duke case are not exactly of the highest standing in my book. As you will recall, this same group of lawyers were the ones releasing all the information to the press once they got it from the DA concerning that case - talk about trying a case in the media - these guys wrote the book on it IMHO. IMO this is even worse than Geragos' tactics. They all whined about the case being tried in public but those lawyers sure made sure Dan Abrams and every other talking head had access to those documents.

This is in no way a commentary about the Duke case period. My comments are strictly aimed at the lawyers concerned. Given these knowns, it seems to me that it would not be beyond the lawyer to set forth all these posters in an effort to try to keep this stirred up and to deflect from his client. Given the penchant for yapping to the public, one would seriously have to question why said lawyer is now so terribly quite. JMO.

Topsail Girl - thanks for the input and information. I am sorry this has happened in your area.

 

[Topsail Girl]

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Given the penchant for yapping to the public, one would seriously have to question why said lawyer is now so terribly quite. JMO.

Topsail Girl - thanks for the input and information. I am sorry this has happened in your area.[/QUOTE]

I'm terribly upset that it has happened here but I wouldn't wish this on any one in any neighborhood.... It breaks my heart....

As for the lawyers yapping away - I agree - they have spent so much time on the TV yapping about the Duke case yet not a peep about this. Hhhmmmmm...

 

[raisincharlie]

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<snip>
I'm terribly upset that it has happened here but I wouldn't wish this on any one in any neighborhood.... It breaks my heart....

As for the lawyers yapping away - I agree - they have spent so much time on the TV yapping about the Duke case yet not a peep about this. Hhhmmmmm...

Bad things happen everywhere unfortunately. It is no reflection on your place of residence. The best that can come of this is the killer is caught soon and put somewhere where they can never hurt another innocent, ever. Your sheriff seems like a very dedicated public servant, I'm sure he will bring this to a conclusion as soon as he possibly can.

P.S. I see Kay yow is taking a leave of absence from her NC State coaching position. I hope she recovers, she is a fine coach and will be sorely missed for this season.

 

[jilly]

Scandi,

One thing I think we all probably should keep in mind is just who JY has a lawyer. Not saying he is a bad lawyer but IMO those defense lawyers in the Duke case are not exactly of the highest standing in my book. As you will recall, this same group of lawyers were the ones releasing all the information to the press once they got it from the DA concerning that case - talk about trying a case in the media - these guys wrote the book on it IMHO. IMO this is even worse than Geragos' tactics. They all whined about the case being tried in public but those lawyers sure made sure Dan Abrams and every other talking head had access to those documents.

This is in no way a commentary about the Duke case period. My comments are strictly aimed at the lawyers concerned. Given these knowns, it seems to me that it would not be beyond the lawyer to set forth all these posters in an effort to try to keep this stirred up and to deflect from his client. Given the penchant for yapping to the public, one would seriously have to question why said lawyer is now so terribly quite. JMO.

Excellent post RC!! It wouldn't surprise me a bit - not after the Peterson case anyways.

 

[scandi]

Charlie et al, I thought I read here that the attorney he has hired is not from the same 'Duke' firm, but has the same last name as one of their attorneys. If that is correct, I heartily concur with you. In the post I read about that, they talked how his attorney is really the very silent type that hardly ever says BOO! LOL

I was actually very impressed with the other case out of Raleigh and how it was handled earlier this year. They got their man after saying virtually nothing to the public after the 30 year old Goth guy was finally arrested. They played it close but arrested the right guy when they had a pat casel I think he opted to plead guilty and there was no trial, but he won't ever twist a garotte around a gal's neck again, and that is a very good thing!

I did read a comment somewhere that they thought this Sheriff was in over his head with this case because of all the media preasure that could come to bear. I think they must have been blowing some smoke if it is the same team that nailed the Goth guy. {her name is on the tip of my tongue and I feel awful I can't bring it to mind}

Scandi