Michelle Young ~ Pregnant Mother NC Part 3

[oceanblueeyes]

Point of clarification:

JY is represented by Roger Smith who is not associated with the Duke case. That would be Wade Smith.

Ocean,

I know I was harsh in my response and thoughts, you are right, they may feel compelled to come but in this case, given the information being presented don't you think the person would be wise to follow the legal advice given to the person that is being defended ? Obviously JY has been told to be quiet, seems to me close confidants would be well advised to follow that very same sage advice. I will re-iterate, if Jy is picked up for this and arrested, some of those comments may well come back to be harmful.

Their story will be told ultimately but given this being at a crucial stage - one would think they would be extremely careful and say absolutely nothing just as JY is doing.

Barn Godess,

All of our trucks (Fords) have a kill switch as well, activated by the key. The concept was based on the speed of the air bag deployment being such that more children were injured by the air bag rather than the crash - at least in trucks.

LOL I am learning Charlie! I just ask my hubby about his truck and he said "yes it has it" :laugh: I guess I wasn't listening to the sales guy too closely. lol I would be so afraid to deactivate the airbag because I am very forgetful sometimes and would forget to turn it back on.

Both of our vehicles have backseats so that is where our little grand babies that are in car-seats are placed when riding with us.

Yes, as I said I dont know why they are compelled to come here but we usually see them in every case. I know someone that came here and at CTV everyday in the Pamela Vitale case, they however did not post but conversed through PMs......even though they were hurt they still came because I guess people really do care about what others may say about them whether they want to admit that or not.

I do agree with you JTF does seem to be a very close family member.

IMO

Ocean

 

[scandi]

Hi Charlie, Both Wade and Roger Smith work for the same firm though, correct? Roger looks like a newbie in the firm, but his father Roger Sr works there too. Maybe his dad is JY's lawyer. I found this, trying to find out more about JY's lawyer:

http://www.tharringtonsmith.com/attorneys.php

Scandi

ETA: Roger Sr is Wades brother.

 

[raisincharlie]

Hi Charlie, Both Wade and Roger Smith work for the same firm though, correct? Roger looks like a newbie in the firm, but his father Roger Sr works there too. Maybe his dad is JY's lawyer. I found this, trying to find out more about JY's lawyer:

http://www.tharringtonsmith.com/attorneys.php

Scandi

ETA: Roger Sr is Wades brother.

Thanks for the link Scandi - yes this is the same law firm. I just wanted to correct it for the record because I had made a statement wondering why the lawyer is so quiet in this case compared to Duke. Different lawyers, same firm. I had in past posts indicated otherwise - just clearing up my misinformation.

 

[scandi]

I knew that Charlie, and I wondered the same thing. It is a pretty prestigeous firm, or appears to be. I wonder if that in any way reflects on the Young family and their standing in the city, being able to hire such a fine lawyer.

The reason I say that is it might tell us more about JY and his family and how they think. Many very well to do people I have known in my life - and there have been many - tend to de-sensationalize anything. They don't want the hoopla as their privacy is most important. This could be the case here. And I know I deserve a :slap: for generalizing as I hate that too. LOL

Charlie, when you hire a firm like this, don't you have to give them a big retainer? This firm doesn't need any good PR as it is so established from the late 60's. What would it take to hire Mr Smith Sr? $75,000 retainer? Just wondering.

So looking at what we know about JY, he was 32 and had only been in his sales job for 3 months. He got married late in life for this day and age and this was stated at CTV by one of his friends. Doesn't say much. I'd sure like to find out more about what he was doing between college and when he took the new job as a salesman.

Scandi

 

[fran]

I guess I'm a bit upset at thie JTF poster and his agenda of taking any heat off of Jason. I think it is a he instead of a she as CanadianGirl keeps suggesting, and also think we have a member of JY's family posting. Just saying "we" are returning baby gifts makes me think that, as that is something I don't think a family would ask a friend to help with. Too personal.

Scandi

So 'we' are returning baby gifts but yet we have not talked or called LE about the murder of 'our' precious Michelle and baby boy. 'We' can't find time to tell LE all 'we' know that may help find Michelle's murderer. :loser:

JTF better quit while they're behind!

JMHO
fran

 

[raisincharlie]

I knew that Charlie, and I wondered the same thing. It is a pretty prestigeous firm, or appears to be. I wonder if that in any way reflects on the Young family and their standing in the city, being able to hire such a fine lawyer.

The reason I say that is it might tell us more about JY and his family and how they think. Many very well to do people I have known in my life - and there have been many - tend to de-sensationalize anything. They don't want the hoopla as their privacy is most important. This could be the case here. And I know I deserve a :slap: for generalizing as I hate that too. LOL

Charlie, when you hire a firm like this, don't you have to give them a big retainer? This firm doesn't need any good PR as it is so established from the late 60's. What would it take to hire Mr Smith Sr? $75,000 retainer? Just wondering.

So looking at what we know about JY, he was 32 and had only been in his sales job for 3 months. He got married late in life for this day and age and this was stated at CTV by one of his friends. Doesn't say much. I'd sure like to find out more about what he was doing between college and when he took the new job as a salesman.

Scandi

Scandi,

I really don't know what the retainer might be for a firm such as that. I know we retain a law firm because of the type of business we have, and of course it is not for criminal purposes but it doesn't cost us near that much in retainer fees. For some reason I think it, the retainer, may vary depending on the case type and projected time consumption. Don't know that for sure but...


Proving to you I can be dynamic:

http://music.yahoo.com/ar-302028-videos--Nelly-Furtado

7th title down - Say it Right

 

[scandi]

I wish I could see that video. It shows an error and I have to install an activation X plug but it won't let me in to do it.

This article talks about Wade Smith, not Roger, but it was such an interesting article I brought it over. I did also read way back at CTV that JY's lawyer in the firm is Roger Jr. It says he joined the firm in 1999, but I thought that was the year he started law school :waitasec: Anyway the young buck got the job but will have his dad and uncle to give him all the advice he will need.

http://www.businessnc.com/archives/2004/01/smith_wade.html

Scandi

 

[raisincharlie]

I wish I could see that video. It shows an error and I have to install an activation X plug but it won't let me in to do it.

This article talks about Wade Smith, not Roger, but it was such an interesting article I brought it over. I did also read way back at CTV that JY's lawyer in the firm is Roger Jr. It says he joined the firm in 1999, but I thought that was the year he started law school :waitasec: Anyway the young buck got the job but will have his dad and uncle to give him all the advice he will need.

http://www.businessnc.com/archives/2004/01/smith_wade.html

Scandi

Interesting article Scandi

I like this:

“You measure your success by the outcome compared to what could have happened absent your efforts. That’s a whole different calculus.”

Most likely a very good philosophy in the world of law.

 

[scandi]

So Charlie, Who is Nelly Furtado? She is on TV tonight at 9pm!

 

[raisincharlie]

So Charlie, Who is Nelly Furtado? She is on TV tonight at 9pm!

She is a singer from Vancouver British Columbia, Portugees (sp this is horrible I/m not sure of the spelling) descent. I really like some of her stuff, some of it I can do without, she is like two sides of a coin at the same time. I do really like her voice however...

This song, Say it Right, just has the neatest mood, music, and rythym. can't get it out of my head...sorry you can't hear it, listen for it on the radio !

 

[otto]

yep, i saw that too, lol.....i'm going to stop thinking about the 'accident' for now....i just asked JTF a question....

I recall reading in the news release that it was May 29, 2005. I can find the article if someone wants it.

 

[otto]

The only thing that accident says to me, since we know the police checked into it, is that JY is a POI whether anyone in the family or close to the family wants to admit it or not. I don't know of any reason why one would look into that considering JY was driving the vehicle and could have well killed himself as well if they are strongly suspecting someone else. By the time this was looked into - the alibi should have been firm - something doesn't add up. JMO.

Let's just suppose for a minute that Jason is so arrogant that he thinks that he can pull off a 100 metre dash down an embankment that he has driven past for years, land in a river and still pull the wheel in the right way to make sure that he's okay. I was right in my first guess that Cassidy was not in the car when it happened. There has been a rumour that her air bag was not working (I supposed there wasn't one in the passenger seat) and there has been a rumour that she had loosened her seatbelt to get something from the backseat. It he pulled it off right, he could be okay, she would bump around a bit, maybe be unconscious and maybe accidentally drown if they hit the water right. I'm not dismissing this one because I believe that some men are that arrogant that they wouldn't mind a few bumps if they can achieve their goal ... don't forget the guys that will actually shoot themselves to support the theory that some stranger shot their wife dead and only grazed them before disappearing into the night.

 

[otto]

hmmm...

strongly opinionated sister

definitely a strongly opinionated step father

strong independent wife

late bloomer husband, quiet - inferiority complex hmmm....JMO of course.

Late bloomer quiet guy that caught the eye of the belle of the ball and I have no doubt that made him feel like the king of the castle. I strongly suspect that he was very arrogant about being the "husband" choice of such an accomplished woman like Michelle.

A strong independent wife would no doubt have put a dent in his armor, especially if he wasn't able to provide.

 

[otto]

I'm going back to JTF's original post where he talks about the accident. I could have sworn that it ws his post that first mentioned it being in 2005. Another thing about that accident that puzzles me. I believe Scout, a pretty astute poster IMHO, mentioned ifJY had on his seatbelt and his air bag was turned on and Michelle had neither of these safety measures foing for her, it could be possible he was trying to cause her our her baby harm at that time.

My question: I didn't know one could turn on or off the air bag. If JY had turned it off before he went down that embankment, and then turned it on after the accident so it would look normal, would forensic investigators be able to tell that that switch was really off during the accident? Probably a mute point as with the officer saying he wasn't suspicious they probably didn't look into the accident that far or do any tests.

I agree with Scout, in that it is very suspicious with both babies dying, especially in such a short time span. Both boys. And with no seatbelt Michelle could have died in the accident. She did die with the second child.

Well, enough speculation. We know LE has looked into that accident again, If JY is arrested for her murder I think the chances will be pretty good he wanted her permanently out of his life for some time.

I guess I'm a bit upset at thie JTF poster and his agenda of taking any heat off of Jason. I think it is a he instead of a she as CanadianGirl keeps suggesting, and also think we have a member of JY's family posting. Just saying "we" are returning baby gifts makes me think that, as that is something I don't think a family would ask a friend to help with. Too personal.

Scandi

My vehicle automatically turns off the airbag if the person in the passenger seat if below a certain weight, but I can turn it on. I haven't tried turning it off, but the button does override the automatic settings. There would probably not be any kind of forensic record of overriding the automatic settings ... I suppose the button temporarily disables the circuit. A lexus would probably have this option as would some older SUVs.

I can't imagine returning baby gifts, especially a family member. I would hold on to them for the next baby born in the family ... sort of as a token of love for the child that didn't live.

 

[otto]

Scandi, "we" returning the gifts as well as the dog being bruised and sore sent off red flags for me. First of all, how many of you received baby gifts when you were 4 months pregnant? It is after the baby is born usually...so what gifts to return? It just sounds like a family member throwing out stuff to see what will stick as there is no verifying any of it. All in the privacy of the Young household.

Good point. People my pre-buy gifts for the first child, first grandchild but the second child is not exactly a pre-buy gift occassion. It's more like ... oh no, is that baby shower this evening, sheesh ... gotta run out and get something - what should I get for a boy? They already have the crib, rocker, high chair, car seat ... and all the other basics for a baby.

 

[raisincharlie]

Let's just suppose for a minute that Jason is so arrogant that he thinks that he can pull off a 100 metre dash down an embankment that he has driven past for years, land in a river and still pull the wheel in the right way to make sure that he's okay. I was right in my first guess that Cassidy was not in the car when it happened. There has been a rumour that her air bag was not working (I supposed there wasn't one in the passenger seat) and there has been a rumour that she had loosened her seatbelt to get something from the backseat. It he pulled it off right, he could be okay, she would bump around a bit, maybe be unconscious and maybe accidentally drown if they hit the water right. I'm not dismissing this one because I believe that some men are that arrogant that they wouldn't mind a few bumps if they can achieve their goal ... don't forget the guys that will actually shoot themselves to support the theory that some stranger shot their wife dead and only grazed them before disappearing into the night.

Oh yeah, good old Justin Barber who was dumb enough to research gunshot wounds on his computer, amazing, totally and desperately out of control.
I have thought about this accident a bit. When it was posted today the accident was supposedly on the 6th of May it really picqued my interest only the poster said 2006, just 6 months ago.

The May 2005 timeframe coincides with the purchase of the house - if the accident did occur before the 20th of May 2005 (date of the deed) I would be really suspicious. I just keep getting this feeling that although this fellow might have shown outwardly that he was a very happy fellow in love with his wife, internally it was very different. JMO.

 

[otto]

Interesting article Scandi

I like this:

“You measure your success by the outcome compared to what could have happened absent your efforts. That’s a whole different calculus.”

Most likely a very good philosophy in the world of law.

Sounds like a fancy way of saying: "you're only as good as your last win" ... a common phrase amongst lawyers. If your last win was three cases back, you really suck but if it wasn't you, it would have been someone else that really sucked.

 

[otto]

Oh yeah, good old Justin Barber who was dumb enough to research gunshot wounds on his computer, amazing, totally and desperately out of control.
I have thought about this accident a bit. When it was posted today the accident was supposedly on the 6th of May it really picqued my interest only the poster said 2006, just 6 months ago.

The May 2005 timeframe coincides with the purchase of the house - if the accident did occur before the 20th of May 2005 (date of the deed) I would be really suspicious. I just keep getting this feeling that although this fellow might have shown outwardly that he was a very happy fellow in love with his wife, internally it was very different. JMO.

Thanks for the name. I finally caught up and see I'm just swinging in the wind posting one after another.

I see the on/off switch for the airbag has been resolved - isn't modern automobile technology fabulous!

I'll look for the original article, but I'm pretty sure it said May 29, 2005.

Here it is: http://www.wral.com/news/10330306/detail.html

"Still, they are examining every aspect of the couple's life together, including a May 29, 2005, Transylvania County car accident in which Jason Young drove off a road and down a 100-foot embankment into the French Broad River. Neither he nor Michelle Young were seriously injured.

"They just wanted to know the circumstances and if I saw anything unusual with the wreck, which I did not," said sate Highway Patrol Trooper David Hicks, who investigated the crash."

 

[otto]

Oh yeah, good old Justin Barber who was dumb enough to research gunshot wounds on his computer, amazing, totally and desperately out of control.
I have thought about this accident a bit. When it was posted today the accident was supposedly on the 6th of May it really picqued my interest only the poster said 2006, just 6 months ago.

The May 2005 timeframe coincides with the purchase of the house - if the accident did occur before the 20th of May 2005 (date of the deed) I would be really suspicious. I just keep getting this feeling that although this fellow might have shown outwardly that he was a very happy fellow in love with his wife, internally it was very different. JMO.

I don't know what you mean when you say that if it happened before May 20, it would be suspicious. I think that if it happened after they signed for the house it's suspicious. First, it makes it seem that Jason was not happy about the purchase of the house but more importantly, most mortgages have an insurance clause such that the death of one spouse results in the pay out of the mortgage. Michelle was an astute accountant and, having been married to one of those at one time, I know that they tend to include that clause in their house mortgage plan.

 

[SewingDeb]

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Proving to you I can be dynamic:

http://music.yahoo.com/ar-302028-videos--Nelly-Furtado

7th title down - Say it Right

Charlie,

"Promiscuous" is one of my favorite songs. I always have to sing along when I hear it on the radio. Thanks for posting the link to Nelly Furtado's music.

I had not heard "Say It Right" until now. Very nice.