Michelle Young ~ Pregnant Mother NC Part 3

[PolkSaladAnnie]

I see Roger and Wade. You probably meant Roger. There's no other Smith, just Uncle Wade, Roger Sr and Roger Jr.

I guess I should read about Roger Jr to see what his weaknesses are, although Wade is probably a better victim. So, Roger Sr is defending Jason Young. Soooooo, the son appears to be an English major that decided wood working was a good career, then all of a sudden won a law award and started working in his dad's law firm. Okay. Wade is probably the brains behind both Rogers.

Since they appear to be more shrewd than intelligent, their best advice for their client is indeed to remain silent, as there is absolutely no other suspect anywhere in the picture. As for sending a clerk or office assistant into the net to see what's up and ensure that everyone sees their story, that wouldn't surprise me. Lawyers have been known to use propaganda when beneficial to the cause. ... Beware of persons posing as realtors without business cards.

Bold: Or posing as LE, family - or ..... as Dog The Bounty Hunter

Yes, you're right (thanks) about Smith, Smith and Smith... Hmmmm. Junior is onto this one, eh? Heaven help us when Mini-Geragos, shades 'n all, struts into his family's criminal defense practice!

The Smiths seem to have ambushed and locked Jason up, alright. Y'know, I WOULD NOT be surprised if they've recruited a heap of people they know 'to go forth and multiply....'

Okkkk .... so I'm seeing visions of crying "tainted jury pool: gag-orders; evidence sealed; change f venue" already.

 

[PolkSaladAnnie]

Hey otto....

You taught me a lesson to check up! Thanks, lol ... Now, I found basic biographies on each member of Tharringtons from martindale hubbell website...

http://www.martindale.com/Criminal-...msDetails-lawyers.html?pq=C4F52A5A92CA0030||3

Seems Smith jnr has an "av" rating - accordance to this site - that's very good. So jason is certainly lawyered up extremely tightly when you actually see the wealth of knowledge and experience this firm has under their belts.

Been TRYING to act the 'clever' murderer, here, LOL. I scripted a 'plot' and then ticked off each and every detail I felt may compromise me. No, it wasn't hubby. I invented a person/scene so as not to tempt that persky lil devil out there. :angel:

A person doesn't have to have killed before to get 'the do and don't' recipe off the 'Net. There's a lot of info, for Pete's sakes. Lord, what next? This darn mutli billion-dollar cyber tank may just be the original Den of Iniquity that we grew up to fear from the prophets. Ugh!

Lol, I searched "getting an attorney for homicide" to see what would come up to a "real" perp. I about jumped out of my pants because, Lord above: this laptop now contains a history of my homicidal thoughts and research. Gulp ...

 

[otto]

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Well I'm not good at taking on 'the big guns' heh heh, but I do enjoy this forum immensely.

Otto, some of us seem to be gathering thoughts that the Jason-clan may be protesting just that little bit too much that everything JY said, does, did, doing etc, is 100% justified. What d'you really think?

BTW: I had friends at a BBQ last night, 2 from USA and the gals got together and discussed this case. Gee, they were adamant and actually said" It's husbands that do this and are the only ones ever to have real motive. It's called trying to get out the cheap and nasty way but they always get caught."

(One woman is from East Coast - theeee most hysterical, warm, in-your-face character I've ever met. Loud, logical and lovely, in MOST opinions. She 'pretended' to call him acting as though she was Nancy Grace, Lord, mimic artist extraordinaire)

Anyway, back to the Q above...

PSA

I read the first 6 pages of all related threads on CTV, including the allusions to the 15 year old. I have not read anything recently and probably my bottom line would be ... let's go ahead and debate the defense of Jason Young. At this time, I have not read about any other suspects. Should we believe that at this time the police also have no other suspects but don't have enough proof to charge Jason? That's bizarre because no one seems to be able to think of any other person on this earth that would explain a break in to the house murdering Michelle and leaving the dog and child okay.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

Hi again Ocean. Lol .... 'losing your touch', ?? Doubt it. I've been reading your posts for ages - even way back, when your forum siggy still read something along the lines of "No matter what - I am still the orginal OceanBlueEyes"... Well, that's for sure!

In all your writings over the years, much of which has educated me, I believe your skills (imo) in prizing apart specifics and bringing in a good, rational debate remain fair. In Jason's case, perhaps I've witnessed a slight change; maybe it was your instant and unquestioning support via 'the facts from an insider'? Lol, I almost wanted to ask if you knew Jason, and/or his family lol! , j/k.

You've never bashed opponents of your views - which, of course, remain your absolute and respected right to share ... indeed you may be 100% correct in your determining.

However, these posters commenced with 'political gain for elections' & 'Michelle may have been having an affair' i.e. knocking the victim (HER problems, background,honesty, integrity, family) all the while putting Jason on a pedestal. Everyone else is wrong: but not JY.

Facts remain sketchy. We know JY's gone over the hills and far away; a.k.a. vanished; he's said little or nothing; no public grief or community outreach; no concern for (and seemingly abandoned) Michelle's family with his dau; he certainly didn't even demonstrate complete family-grief at the funeral. ONLY HE was earlier issued a court notice to submit evidence. He instantly lawyered up with high profile criminal defense atties. Fine if one of the above happened. But ALL of these things have happened.

EVERY time jtf etc read from the going-for-guilty posts, they jump in with total redemption for their 'man' - rebuking anyone who refuses to swallow their anonymous facts. (Everything is 'impossible - he wouldn't have - this is why he did that bla bla bla.)

The subliminal messages speak loud and clear, imo. The more they post in defense, the more I challenge their 'facts'. Overkill. And they're very, very worried, MOO.

With others, I have faith in this Sheriff. If his work proves it wasn't Jason, then hey, I go by that. I feel he is scrupulously dedicating his time and attention to all aspects of this crime.

For me: ... statistics, motive, opportunity, financial security, his very new job, as-released official crime/media details, (possibly sex) the 911 tape, their history, the sparkling personality MY appeared to be, his pre/during/post-crime actions and time-line tell me a whole lotta something else. And jtf helps me stick to my guns, heh...

OK - reeling back with a sock in my mouth, lol

PSA...

Hello PAS!

I would never want you or anyone to put a sock in it! LMAO I read and thoroughly enjoy each post you bring to the table as I do with all others.

And I suppose you are right in one way Polk, I have become extremely cautious these days. I would never bash anyone for their entitled opinion and at times I am known to be quite adamant about mine especially if I think the perp is guilty or if I think a potential suspect is innocent. lol I certainly know that I have changed somewhat and fully realize others will notice that. I do try to be open and honest as to why those changes came about.

Maybe the Lunsford, Wilbanks, Greone, Vitale cases were part of the reluctance I seem to have now. For some reason those cases made an indelible mark on me. I guess it made me feel that until the evidence is known maybe I shouldn't be so quick to jump.

I certainly understand perfectly why others think that JY did this. You are right everything is stacked against him, statistics, wife pregnant, overkill and much more. I certainly have to be honest, I have grave doubts too but then I try to stand back and realize I dont have a factual basis to say for sure he is a horrible brutal murderer. Would I be shocked if it is him? Absolutely not but if he isn't I will be much happier to know Cassidy has a loving father left to raise her. Maybe it is that....that I so immaturely cling to...

I am hoping that there is more to JY than being only a sterile statistic....I am hoping he is just an individual human that had nothing but love in his heart for his wife and babies. I dont know Jason but for Michelle's family and his family I do hope they really do know the real Jason.

Do I feel that same steadfast assuredness like I felt in the above cases I mentioned when I did not budge from my position that the "suspected ones" weren't guilty? LOL no way! not by a long shot!! I have mixed feelings on this one...maybe he did do it but maybe he didn't. Very, very, strange for me to ride the middle. I am either against 'em or for 'em. lol

IMO

Ocean

 

[raisincharlie]

I believe it is Tex Mex (where are you TM?) that has a sig line about about coincidences. So I thought it might be interesting to list out the coincidences, only the known ones, for this case so everyone feel free to cut and paste with your additions:

1. Husband leaves night before murder for a business trip.
2. Husband is last person to speak with wife at 11 pm.
3. Last person(s) known to see victim was (were) friend(s).
4. Wife is 4 months pregnant, therefore statistically at risk.
5. Husband phones SIL the next day asking to retrieve a fax from his home.
6. SIL finds murdered wife.
7. 2.5 year old child left alive and unharmed.
8. Dog in house.
9. Neighbors unaware of anything unusual except outside lights being on
a couple of days prior to the murder.
10. Husband on way to parents home when body is found.
11. Reported child in the neighborhood with supposed behavioral issues.
12. Wife previously lost a baby shortly after an auto accident.
13. Wife works flex time and may or may not have been expected at work.
14. Husband's vehicle is immediately impounded upon return to home area.
15. Sheriff reports neighborhood is quiet with very few problems.
16. Police asking for information about events between 12 and 6 am.

I'm sure I have forgotten some others - have at it !

 

[packerdog]

Hi everyone, I see you all have been trying to put the pieces of the puzzle together.

Most of you are going to think I had too much eggnog over the holidays but I was thinking about Jason being a late bloomer and all and wonder about something. What if Jason is gay? They got married after Michelle became pregnant, and I think she was the one that wanted to get married and have children. I read somewhere it took him awhile to get into married life. He could have had a lover and the lover wanted him to leave Michelle. I just have this thought because alot of people can't understand why he would kill his wife and unborn child. He would have alot of explaining to do if he up and said that he wanted a divorce while his wife was pregnant and they have a 2yr. old. Just my thoughts.

 

[fran]

IMO, I guess the reason most of us are being somewhat cautious, but yet still feel it is possibly, probably, or are leaning towards the husband is because we have so little REAL information and know the statitics. We all know about the previous cases and how we felt about the 'usual' suspects.

About all we have are the initial reports of the murder, the 911 call, the husband's alledged whereabouts, silence by LE since the initial reports, and a number of supposed friends of the family running around defending the husband, at times putting out inferences about the wife's possible infidelities, not liking the sound of her sister's phone call, inferring the sister may have been smitten with the husband, the mysterious 15 yo neighbor, the people in the trailer, and on and on, oh, and the usual he's a nice guy and would never do this and they were a 'loving and happy' couple.

You put all that with the fact that the grieving husband obtained a lawyer immediately (IMO, nothing wrong with that, just sayin') AND he hasn't talked to LE since the initial contact (that we know of), IMO, the road, to me, at this time, is bending waaayyy towards the husband.

What many of us need to know or see in order to clear the husband, IMO, the husband go voluntarily to LE, accompanied by his attorney is fine, and tell them everything he knows. After all, if he has nothing to hide, what's the harm? If he had already done that, I wouldn't suspect him.

When something happens like this, it effects so many people it's unreal. From the closest of relative to the furthest, to the closest of friend to co-worker to just the gardner. It effects them all. They are hounded by the press, photographs taken, called all hours of the day and night. Approached wherever they go. (I happen to know a family presently in such a situation, and that's all I'm going to say about it. It has nothing to do with this case)

His friends should stay off the message boards. They're just making JY look worse and making themselves feel badly. I recall one recent very high profile case here that a member ended up very connected to the case, she knew or strongly felt the one person many kept saying was possibly the perp was innocent, and it caused her great distress because she kept posting. Oh, FWIW, she was right, the person she was familiar with was NOT the perp. But you see, it confuses and causes undo harm to the person posting and fodder that is unnecessary.

Until we hear more from LE, hear about forensics, hear about the fax, computer print-out or no fax, the cell phone usage, credit card info, hear about an arrest, etc., there's really not much more for us to go on. Just our instincts and past cases.

FWIW, Ocean, in the cases you mentioned, I didn't know or suspect who did those, except near the end the Willbanks case, and then it was just a hunch. I was wrong and appologized as soon as she came forward.

Also, FWIW, packerdog,.......uhhhmmmm.........I've thought of the possibility as well. It's not like it's never happened before.

Now of course everything we've posted here could make the family and friends feel badly. That's why they need to ignore the noise and concentrate on their family and friends and Jason and Cassidy. We are just sleuths trying to figure out a mystery. We can't help ourselves. :innocent:

Oh, and it isn't the MSM that are making us say this nor LE.

It's JMHO,
fran

 

[PolkSaladAnnie]

Morning all! Dinner's finished and I've been surfing and great posts - thanks OCean, charlie and packerdog: good thoughts there. Meantime.... here's a snapshot of all I've read and there is more at the link - I seem to recollect this info - feel it may have been posted on earlier threads. Apologies if it has ... not stealin you thunder! If so, it may be interesting to bump back:

On average, more than three women are murdered by their husbands or boyfriends in this country every day. In 2000, 1,247 women were killed by an intimate partner. The same year, 440 men were killed by an intimate partner.16*

Women are much more likely than men to be killed by an intimate partner. In 2000, intimate partner homicides accounted for 33.5 percent of the murders of women and less than four percent of the murders of men.17

Pregnant and recently pregnant women are more likely to be victims of homicide than to die of any other cause18 , and evidence exists that a significant proportion of all female homicide victims are killed by their intimate partners.19

* Numericals original part of this web-report:

http://www.endabuse.org/resources/facts/

 

[Taximom]

Hi everyone, I see you all have been trying to put the pieces of the puzzle together.

Most of you are going to think I had too much eggnog over the holidays but I was thinking about Jason being a late bloomer and all and wonder about something. What if Jason is gay? They got married after Michelle became pregnant, and I think she was the one that wanted to get married and have children. I read somewhere it took him awhile to get into married life. He could have had a lover and the lover wanted him to leave Michelle. I just have this thought because alot of people can't understand why he would kill his wife and unborn child. He would have alot of explaining to do if he up and said that he wanted a divorce while his wife was pregnant and they have a 2yr. old. Just my thoughts.

Hi packerdog. I think you had just the right amount of eggnog, if you ask me! I think the "gay" aspect has been brought up a few times here...after all we see in the news nothing surprises us, eh?

I think we've even discussed a possible gay lover committing the murder...something I personally don't see, but you never know!

I keep coming back hoping for some news in this case. It's definitely a little sad when there aren't any new news articles.

Oh well. We always have FoJ to rely on to keep it interesting.

 

[raisincharlie]

Hi everyone, I see you all have been trying to put the pieces of the puzzle together.

Most of you are going to think I had too much eggnog over the holidays but I was thinking about Jason being a late bloomer and all and wonder about something. What if Jason is gay? They got married after Michelle became pregnant, and I think she was the one that wanted to get married and have children. I read somewhere it took him awhile to get into married life. He could have had a lover and the lover wanted him to leave Michelle. I just have this thought because alot of people can't understand why he would kill his wife and unborn child. He would have alot of explaining to do if he up and said that he wanted a divorce while his wife was pregnant and they have a 2yr. old. Just my thoughts.

Too much egg nog - is that possible ?

Seriously, a few of us have danced around this subject briefly. I think what spurred this was the link to his friend's Myspace (Fusell). I suppose anything is possible and I am finding myself being surprised fewer and fewer times with some of these cases. For this subject, I have no real idea and no firm opinion. However, were a person in such a situation, I can invision that such situation would cause a great deal of internal conflict. It is obvious from the Step -Dad's comments, he is not one that would be easy to defy with an idea less than acceptable to his perception of the way life should be, as an example.

That being said, if this situation is a part of this crime - I can well invision a fellow striking out at the one individual who he would consider the cause of his main problem - that being the wife. I can also invision a great deal of anger associated with that errupting from the internal conflict and it being taken out on an innocent associate. I can also invision a fellow such as this leaving his child alive, unharmed. I can also invision such a person later feeling a bit of remorse and contacting someone to make sure the child is collected away from the scene. IMO it is possible.

 

[jilly]

Bold: Or posing as LE, family - or ..... as Dog The Bounty Hunter

Yes, you're right (thanks) about Smith, Smith and Smith... Hmmmm. Junior is onto this one, eh? :laugh: Heaven help us when Mini-Geragos, shades 'n all, struts into his family's crriminal defense practice!

The Smiths seem to have ambushed and locked Jason up, alright. Y'know, I WOULD NOT be surprised if they've recruited a heap of people they know 'to go forth and multiply....'

Okkkk .... so I'm seeing visions of crying "tainted jury pool: gag-orders; evidence sealed; change f venue" already.

Ahhhhh PSA - you crack me up! I love reading your posts!:blowkiss:

 

[oceanblueeyes]

Hi everyone, I see you all have been trying to put the pieces of the puzzle together.

Most of you are going to think I had too much eggnog over the holidays but I was thinking about Jason being a late bloomer and all and wonder about something. What if Jason is gay? They got married after Michelle became pregnant, and I think she was the one that wanted to get married and have children. I read somewhere it took him awhile to get into married life. He could have had a lover and the lover wanted him to leave Michelle. I just have this thought because alot of people can't understand why he would kill his wife and unborn child. He would have alto of explaining to do if he up and said that he wanted a divorce while his wife was pregnant and they have a 2yr. old. Just my thoughts.

Does someone who waits to get married mean they are a late bloomer? I am not even sure what that means. I did hear on CNN about a month ago that men and women are waiting much longer to get married. Many after they have completed college or have advanced in their own careers.

On CTV I know they said he was wearing a red tie. Is that some coming out color that gay people do?

He does seem to be a little effeminate to me. Sure doesnt look like the "jock" type. So sure, it is a possibility, I guess like Michael Peterson? LOL

IMO

Ocean

 

[raisincharlie]

Does someone who waits to get married mean they are a late bloomer? I am not even sure what that means. I did hear on CNN about a month ago that men and women are waiting much longer to get married. Many after they have completed college or have advanced in their own careers.

On CTV I know they said he was wearing a red tie. Is that some coming out color that gay people do?

He does seem to be a little effeminate to me. Sure doesnt look like the "jock" type. So sure, it is a possibility, I guess like Michael Peterson? LOL

IMO

Ocean

Ocean,

I'm not sure what late bloomer means either but the fact that someone actually said it tends to indicate to me that friends and family may have been wanting to know and waiting somewhat impatiently for him to settle down and get married. Perhaps a tad bit of pressure there to do so. Just a thought and of course JMO.

 

[packerdog]

Thanks all for your input, at least I am not the only one who thought of this. Maybe Michelle found out about Jason being gay and was going to tell family members. I think it is odd that he would go on a business trip and then stay with his family. Anybody know how long he was going to stay at his parents? All weekend? When he has a 2 1/2 yr old and pregnant wife at home? I also wonder how well Michelle got along with his parents and if they saw them often.So many questions and no answers.

 

[Taximom]

Does someone who waits to get married mean they are a late bloomer? I am not even sure what that means. I did hear on CNN about a month ago that men and women are waiting much longer to get married. Many after they have completed college or have advanced in their own careers.

On CTV I know they said he was wearing a red tie. Is that some coming out color that gay people do?

He does seem to be a little effeminate to me. Sure doesnt look like the "jock" type. So sure, it is a possibility, I guess like Michael Peterson? LOL

IMO

Ocean

Ocean, great thought with the red tie. Of course, I had to google ( "red tie" gay ) and I was actually surprised at what came up. You could be on to something.

Of course, he could just like red ties!

 

[Taximom]

There is someone that looks a lot like him in a gay personal ad that I found. I'm NOT saying it's him because the description doesn't match up with the limited info I have. Name is different too. The picture made me go at first.

I wish I knew if he had siblings in Raleigh (could be a relative) and what JY's middle name was.......:waitasec:

 

[packerdog]

Does someone who waits to get married mean they are a late bloomer? I am not even sure what that means. I did hear on CNN about a month ago that men and women are waiting much longer to get married. Many after they have completed college or have advanced in their own careers.

On CTV I know they said he was wearing a red tie. Is that some coming out color that gay people do?

He does seem to be a little effeminate to me. Sure doesnt look like the "jock" type. So sure, it is a possibility, I guess like Michael Peterson? LOL

IMO

Ocean

OH WOW, I forgot about Michael Peterson! Maybe LE will find something on his computer like they did in that case. I think he was AC/DC and just really weird.

 

[close_enough]

morning all, AND Polk with your dinner

i agree with Fran...well heck, i agree with all of you on SO many things....raisin is right about the gay aspect or POSSIBLE gay aspect...it would sure cause a lot of internal stress for a man that's married with a child on the way (being in the closet)....i don't think ANY of us are foaming at the mouth here, WANTING JY to be the killer, but there's so many things that cause suspicion of him.....

IF he did this, i think he planned it, knowing what to do & what not to do as far as 'getting caught', but i also think somewhere along the line he slipped up, missed some lil something....there's no way you can tell me that LE hasn't fully investigated his timeline for November 2nd & on into his 'business meeting'....i think there are hours that can't be accounted for (sleeping hours, maybe?).....

i know with Sara Walker's murder, i never once thought the ex-husband was involved, but i DID think it was someone she knew; possibly met on the internet...ended up a total random thing..someone she didn't even know, from what i heard....SO it DOES happen...freaks kill at random.....also with the Groene case, i was completely stunned that Duncan picked this family 'out of the air' ..... Jessica Lunsford, same thing...i had already tried, convicted & hung that poor grandfather.....i was TOTALLY off base, & it was a damned neighbor that walked right into the home & took Jessica out of her bed......course w/SP he was on my 'meter' from day one, pretty much like this one.......

 

[close_enough]

OH WOW, I forgot about Michael Peterson! Maybe LE will find something on his computer like they did in that case. I think he was AC/DC and just really weird.

yep, yep....it's possible for sure....don't you just KNOW LE is going over his hard drive with a fine tooth comb????

 

[PolkSaladAnnie]

I would never want you or anyone to put a sock in it! PHEW !

LMAO I read and thoroughly enjoy each post you bring to the table as I do with all others. Me too.

Morning Ocean. Thanks for your thoughts. I support & accept your thinking here (very fair); can see that the cases you quoted (Lunsford, etc) and this helps bring us to a certain reality that these are NOT open and shut 'it was him!' stereotype crimes.

There are bound to be a combination of varying thoughts with regard to this crime - from who, what, when, where to how.

My particular itch-that-won't-go-away is with those that will not enter into discussion along broader-thinking lines: the new Jasonites for example. It's not their opinion of guilt or innocence that I think about ~ moreover it is the OVERDONE and adamant one-sidedness that it can be anyone BUT Jason. He's been excused from every 'odd' aspect of this case.

He is not perfect and if a stranger could have walked in - well I do believe Jason could just as easily have walked in and committed this crime.

I am even beginning to wonder if he was disguised OR ... that he purposefully waited for Michelle to fall asleep so that she did not have to see him. (Pounced on while sleeping; first and worst injuries while she was under the bedclothes - and in a struggle, she clambered or stumbled off the bed and to the floor).

Of course, Cassidy is one of many innocent and hurting victims in this murder; definitely the most vulnerable and innocent. To lose her mommy like that is horrific enough. To grow up knowing it was her own father is .... well, words escape me.

If he hadn't lawyered up so fiercely and so early then shut up and showed no united grief with Michelle's family at the funeral - I may be a little more lenient in my thinking.

When JTF & co post ... I go "WTF ??"

Seems they value arguiing on anonymous boards more than JY & both families. The odd snippet here and there is understandable. But we're getting pages of detail. ALL detail puts Bonny Prince Jason as 'too perfect'.

<<<er, said sock now wrestling itself around my throat; gripping stuff, eh? lol!>>>