Michelle Young ~ Pregnant Mother NC Part 3

[close_enough]

Thanks all for your input, at least I am not the only one who thought of this. Maybe Michelle found out about Jason being gay and was going to tell family members. I think it is odd that he would go on a business trip and then stay with his family. Anybody know how long he was going to stay at his parents? All weekend? When he has a 2 1/2 yr old and pregnant wife at home? I also wonder how well Michelle got along with his parents and if they saw them often.So many questions and no answers.

from what i understand, JY had an early business meeting in VA, the morning of Nov 3rd, then was going to drive to his parents house, spend the night, then head back home on Saturday...

 

[close_enough]

Ahhhhh PSA - you crack me up! I love reading your posts!:blowkiss:

same here Jilly!....they threw away the mold, after making Polk...she's definately one of a kind & i also enjoy her posts...

 

[PolkSaladAnnie]

I believe it is Tex Mex (where are you TM?) that has a sig line about about coincidences. So I thought it might be interesting to list out the coincidences, only the known ones, for this case so everyone feel free to cut and paste with your additions:

1. Husband leaves night before murder for a business trip.
2. Husband is last person to speak with wife at 11 pm.
3. Last person(s) known to see victim was (were) friend(s).
4. Wife is 4 months pregnant, therefore statistically at risk.
5. Husband phones SIL the next day asking to retrieve a fax from his home.
6. SIL finds murdered wife.
7. 2.5 year old child left alive and unharmed.
8. Dog in house.
9. Neighbors unaware of anything unusual except outside lights being on
a couple of days prior to the murder.
10. Husband on way to parents home when body is found.
11. Reported child in the neighborhood with supposed behavioral issues.
12. Wife previously lost a baby shortly after an auto accident.
13. Wife works flex time and may or may not have been expected at work.
14. Husband's vehicle is immediately impounded upon return to home area.
15. Sheriff reports neighborhood is quiet with very few problems.
16. Police asking for information about events between 12 and 6 am.

I'm sure I have forgotten some others - have at it !

Hi charlie! I love this list! Thanks for posting it for us. I find the BIG caveat lies between your points 6 & 10. As in: there are a lot of hours in that gap. We've worked around driving distances etc - but IF he left at (im my opinion, I reckon he'd have made his grande entrance immediately before GA commenced.

Drives to motel hour half away; places call (speculation thus far, but I could believe this); drives back, arriving +- 1:30. Sneaks in - on completion leaves to reach hotel by sunrise. May not have happened this way. But is it impossible?

Oh - I'd slot in:

14a: Husband hires high-prof criminal def atties; retains his right to slience.

You see! When we look at just the key facts as reported and released by LE to media, well -----> :snooty: I can't buy that there's NO way he did this.

There might be!

 

[close_enough]

The poster in the know is full of it if they say it happened in 2006.

Let's suppose that Michelle was 4 months pregnant at the end of May 2006. After the accident, she saw a doctor and it was determined that the baby stopped growing. This doesn't happen in a week, this usually can take up to month 7, but let's assume this was determined in a few weeks. We're now into June and most likely towards the end of June at least. After a miscarriage or therapeutic abortion, it takes about 6 months for a woman to conceive (recovery from the trauma). Even omitting this, let's assume that Michelle became pregnant immediately after the therapeutic abortion so we're now in August and Michelle gets pregnant. Between August, September (1), October (2), half November (2.5) ... Michelle could only have been 2.5 to 3 months pregnant and that's not giving any time to recover from a therapeutic abortion. She was 4 months pregnant when she died so it is impossible that she was in the accident in May 2006.

yeah...this whole 'accident' thing is hard to put a finger on, IMO.....

 

[PolkSaladAnnie]

Hi everyone, I see you all have been trying to put the pieces of the puzzle together.

Most of you are going to think I had too much eggnog over the holidays but I was thinking about Jason being a late bloomer and all and wonder about something. What if Jason is gay? They got married after Michelle became pregnant, and I think she was the one that wanted to get married and have children. I read somewhere it took him awhile to get into married life. He could have had a lover and the lover wanted him to leave Michelle. I just have this thought because alot of people can't understand why he would kill his wife and unborn child. He would have alot of explaining to do if he up and said that he wanted a divorce while his wife was pregnant and they have a 2yr. old. Just my thoughts.

Hey packerdog. I may not have thought this like until the media stated Fussell's comments including Fussell was/is a very close friend. When we looked at his website - and discovered his love interest - well! Again, definitely not impossible. A colleague of mine discovered her SO was leading a double life with another man. Would we ever have believed this 20 years ago? NEVER!

There may indeed have been talk of problems behind closed doors: JY may have felt it would cost him more if MY rmained alive. With a 2nd baby en route: yes, he may have looked a real prat to walk out. AND ... if he left MY for another man ...

<<<<PSA faints as scripted in the true-life role-play>>>>>

 

[PolkSaladAnnie]

IMO, I guess the reason most of us are being somewhat cautious, but yet still feel it is possibly, probably, or are leaning towards the husband is because we have so little REAL information and know the statitics. We all know about the previous cases and how we felt about the 'usual' suspects.

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fran

fran, you had to have read my mind. Great post; you sure captured common thinking here. Stats, history tells us, JY's blurred timeline, known info at this stage - and "not a random crime" boost this trail of thought..

 

[raisincharlie]

Amended:

list out the coincidences, only the known ones, for this case so everyone feel free to cut and paste with your additions:

1. Husband leaves night before murder for a business trip.
2. Husband is last person to speak with wife at 11 pm.
3. Last person(s) known to see victim was (were) friend(s).
4. Wife is 4 months pregnant, therefore statistically at risk.
5. Husband phones SIL the next day asking to retrieve a fax from his home.
6. SIL finds murdered wife.
7. 2.5 year old child left alive and unharmed.
8. Dog in house.
9. Neighbors unaware of anything unusual except outside lights being on
a couple of days prior to the murder.
10. Husband on way to parents home when body is found.
11. Reported child in the neighborhood with supposed behavioral issues.
12. Wife previously lost a baby shortly after an auto accident.
13. Wife works flex time and may or may not have been expected at work.
14. Husband's vehicle is immediately impounded upon return to home area.
15. Husband retains lawyer at some point.
16. Sheriff's spokeswoman indicates the crime is not random.
17. Sheriff reports neighborhood is quiet with very few problems.
18. Police asked for information about events between 12 and 6 am.
19. Police investigate previous accident involving couple - May 2005.
20. Police have made no further appeals to the public for assistance.
21. Sheriff indicates in interview with Greta, no warrants obtained for collection of fingerprints of several people.
22. Husband complies with Non-testimonial order and gives samples requested in presence of his lawyer.

 

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Hi charlie! I love this list! Thanks for posting it for us. I find the BIG caveat lies between your points 6 & 10. As in: there are a lot of hours in that gap. We've worked around driving distances etc - but IF he left at (im my opinion, I reckon he'd have made his grande entrance immediately before GA commenced.

Drives to motel hour half away; places call (speculation thus far, but I could believe this); drives back, arriving +- 1:30. Sneaks in - on completion leaves to reach hotel by sunrise. May not have happened this way. But is it impossible?

Oh - I'd slot in:

14a: Husband hires high-prof criminal def atties; retains his right to slience.

You see! When we look at just the key facts as reported and released by LE to media, well -----> :snooty: I can't buy that there's NO way he did this.
There might be!

i agree completely....for someone to say "there's no way JY did this" only tells me they're family members....

 

[close_enough]

no reward for any info leading to the killer...would that be one for the list?

 

[PolkSaladAnnie]

morning all, AND Polk with your dinner

i agree with Fran...well heck, i agree with all of you on SO many things....raisin is right about the gay aspect or POSSIBLE gay aspect...it would sure cause a lot of internal stress for a man that's married with a child on the way (being in the closet)....i don't think ANY of us are foaming at the mouth here, WANTING JY to be the killer, but there's so many things that cause suspicion of him.....

IF he did this, i think he planned it, knowing what to do & what not to do as far as 'getting caught', but i also think somewhere along the line he slipped up, missed some lil something....there's no way you can tell me that LE hasn't fully investigated his timeline for November 2nd & on into his 'business meeting'....i think there are hours that can't be accounted for (sleeping hours, maybe?).....

i know with Sara Walker's murder, i never once thought the ex-husband was involved, but i DID think it was someone she knew; possibly met on the internet...ended up a total random thing..someone she didn't even know, from what i heard....SO it DOES happen...freaks kill at random.....also with the Groene case, i was completely stunned that Duncan picked this family 'out of the air' ..... Jessica Lunsford, same thing...i had already tried, convicted & hung that poor grandfather.....i was TOTALLY off base, & it was a damned neighbor that walked right into the home & took Jessica out of her bed......course w/SP he was on my 'meter' from day one, pretty much like this one.......

Hey close :blowkiss:

Dinner? Pah, I call it "Corporate Stew" for my white collar huz (it had the 2 "major heavies" in it, hahaha... meat 'n tatoes) and all the "workers"? Well, rummaged the bottom of the fridge and half finished frozen beg packs and slung 'em in. And I treat it as some Vice Presidents treat staff: shove it and stew it. Then take credit for this (er) gourmet production...

Well, I would NOT have ruled out a zonked neighbour, a crazed trailer-dweller, etc, if LE hadn't been SO definite about this "NOT being a random crime."

To me? THAT"S the key we're handed to open a door that remains eerily quiet in the dark.

Damn.... Where's Raffles?

 

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outside lights being on a couple of days prior to the murder wouldn't mean much to me...it was Halloween

 

[close_enough]

Hey close :blowkiss:

Dinner? Pah, I call it "Corporate Stew" for my white collar huz (it had the 2 "major heavies" in it, hahaha... meat 'n tatoes) and all the "workers"? Well, rummaged the bottom of the fridge and half finished frozen beg packs and slung 'em in. And I treat it as some Vice Presidents treat staff: shove it and stew it. Then take credit for this (er) gourmet production...

Well, I would NOT have ruled out a zonked neighbour, a crazed trailer-dweller, etc, if LE hadn't been SO definite about this "NOT being a random crime."

To me? THAT"S the key we're handed to open a door that remains eerily quiet in the dark.

Damn.... Where's Raffles?

LOL, you're a nut...a very nice nut :blowkiss:

& you're right....LE hasn't come back out & intimated that it MIGHT have been random either, yet.....if they were stumped, there'd be SOME kind of press conference IMO, asking for help......

 

[raisincharlie]

outside lights being on a couple of days prior to the murder wouldn't mean much to me...it was Halloween

I don't know - supposedly the TOD is on 3 November, three nights removed from Halloween and a neighbor (Martin) saying it was unusual...who knows. At least the neighbors saw something.

 

[close_enough]

I don't know - supposedly the TOD is on 3 November, three nights removed from Halloween and a neighbor (Martin) saying it was unusual...who knows. At least the neighbors saw something.

true....ok, i see what you're saying....

 

[PolkSaladAnnie]

Ahhhhh PSA - you crack me up! I love reading your posts!:blowkiss:

Tee hee, jilly & close .... well? PERISH the thought of any future Geragos, Garagos and Lesser-gos. Talk about early grooming. Kojo would have a field day..

Euuughh.

 

[close_enough]

I don't know - supposedly the TOD is on 3 November, three nights removed from Halloween and a neighbor (Martin) saying it was unusual...who knows. At least the neighbors saw something.

OH, just thought of something....TOD...does anyone find it odd that the media hasn't gotten hold of the ME's report, as far as time of death??

 

[PolkSaladAnnie]

i agree completely....for someone to say "there's no way JY did this" only tells me they're family members....

Yes, I agree, close. Or .... early defense moles?

 

[raisincharlie]

OH, just thought of something....TOD...does anyone find it odd that the media hasn't gotten hold of the ME's report, as far as time of death??

With all that frenzy going on there - it is odd. :slap:

 

[close_enough]

With all that frenzy going on there - it is odd. :slap:

LOL as in media frenzy???

 

[concernedperson]

Yes, I agree, close. Or .... early defense moles?

Like the proverbial intruder who kicked and bruised the dog as attested to by JTF. Maybe not family posting, PSA, defense attorney was hired right away and they are known to frequent the boards to test the waters.