Michelle Young ~ Pregnant Mother NC Part 3

[packerdog]

IMO, I think that one thing that may have been disturbing to LE was that the child and dog were ok along with the 'no forced' entry.

All one had to do was close the bedroom door to keep out the dog and not wake the child. Now who would think of that? and be able to get into the house without the dog barking.

Wonder IF the perp showered?

Wonder if JY's motel room had an electronic key?

Just wonderin'
fran

I think he would have had to shower, being that it was a bloody crime scene. Must have been alot of cast off blood.If we only knew what the murder weapon was.

 

[raisincharlie]

Great list you have got going there Charlie.

Must credit everyone on the board - many contributions made. If you think of anything - feel free to copy and paste with your addition.

 

[PolkSaladAnnie]

Not sure what you mean PSA - #1 references the business trip. You want me to move it or specify it in another way ? No problem - let me know.

Oh shucks... Can you BELIEVE I overlooked that each time!

CLUTZ.

Hugely sorry, charlie... :blush:

 

[fran]

Right Fran, this is also one that the Carole Sund foundation would put up a reward for.

You're right about that, packerdog. The Carole Sund Foundation would have normally been all over this case in a 'New York Minute!'

JMHO
fran

 

[raisincharlie]

I think he would have had to shower, being that it was a bloody crime scene. Must have been alot of cast off blood.If we only knew what the murder weapon was.

Please don't say this loud enough for Nancy Grace to hear .

She went on and on about the shower being used by the killer after he murdered Pam Vitale - turned out to not be true at all...

 

[packerdog]

Close, you know I am thinking there *has* to be *something* else that gave LE the early understanding this was not a random crime...

Call me mad, but don't start a rumour: this is lateral thinking:

... IF .... it was Jason: do you think he may have (example) done something else that alerted LE? Something really small - out of normal suspicion ... ? Like ... say he left food out for the dog, wondering how long it would be before someone came - or to quieten the dog? But ... the food wasn't touched?

Something silly, like THAT ...

I'm trying to do these 'walk throughs' ... WHAT else could it be?

Could be, or left some milk or snack out for the baby.

 

[fran]

I think he would have had to shower, being that it was a bloody crime scene. Must have been alot of cast off blood.If we only knew what the murder weapon was.

See, this is where I'm thinkin' LE allows such a huge timeline. When they said 'unusual,' would it be unusual for them to have their lights on into the wee hours of the morning? IF he was there, cleaning up, that would be a YES, their lights were on?

Thus,........no forensic evidence in his vehicle. :doh:

JMHO
fran

 

[raisincharlie]

Oh shucks... Can you BELIEVE I overlooked that each time!

CLUTZ.

Hugely sorry, charlie... :blush:

Luv ya - no problem, I missed the forced entry issue all together !

 

[fran]

Could be, or left some milk or snack out for the baby.

It could be as simple as, 'there was no fax.'

Just sayin' maybe.....

JMHO
fran

 

[PolkSaladAnnie]

IMO, I think that one thing that may have been disturbing to LE was that the child and dog were ok along with the 'no forced' entry.

All one had to do was close the bedroom door to keep out the dog and not wake the child. Now who would think of that? and be able to get into the house without the dog barking.

Wonder IF the perp showered?

Wonder if JY's motel room had an electronic key?

Just wonderin'
fran

Fran, when the "clan" made a specific point to mention over at CTV that this dog was 'old and arthiritic' (er, complainging of a sore head and a sore side ...) I just thought : why does this person identify THAT much detail about the dog - when Jason has been out of town most of the time?

The dog has allegedly been with MY's family: Jason has distanced himself from them. I HARDLY see (example) Meredith calling JY to say the dog has a sore head and side.

I mean, really: FOR GOODNESS sakes if a person could butcher a lovely, healthy, pregnant woman - he/she would think nothing about killing, wounding or bludgeoning a ... DOG!

And if the dog was in so much pain I think itnwould have been whining not 'freaking out'. One and one is making about 118 in the shade.

Also wondered why so much detail was invested on thisl ~ unless a question arose as to why the dog did not attack an agressor - or have any 'fight wounds'?

(Prolly cos he wasnt scared at first...)

 

[PolkSaladAnnie]

Could be, or left some milk or snack out for the baby.

There ya go! Sorry, no kids, didn't think that far . God didn't give me child-bearing hips; He sure made up for it with my child-bearling lips instead

Yes. that's a truly good call: so maybe there was evidence Cassie had been attended to?

If this was JY, he may have done something out of habit, instinct or reflex that a random perp would give a bluebird's whistle over. Anything else come to mind, packer?

 

[PolkSaladAnnie]

It could be as simple as, 'there was no fax.'

Just sayin' maybe.....

JMHO
fran

Indeed, fran. Think so too; maybe word is circulating and the Jasonites are merely "amending records" (a.k.a. re-writing JY's alibi)

Is this the fatal quick-sand error?

 

[PolkSaladAnnie]

LORD!!!! I've gone cold.

WHAT ... if .... the Jasonites *are* the defense team? JY hasn't given his timeline to LE (that we know of) And all the things we're writing - is actually helping him big time?

So - they're scripting an alibi as we move along with charlies great list - and the contributions from posters?

MAybe THAT'S why the Jasonites are staying away from W/S??

 

[PolkSaladAnnie]

Hey. Where ya'all gone? Caught the dreaded and most highly feared Black-Friday Bug? Lol, it's so quiet - I can hear my posts echo when they land. STOP SHOPPING....

 

[oceanblueeyes]

IMO, I think that one thing that may have been disturbing to LE was that the child and dog were ok along with the 'no forced' entry.

All one had to do was close the bedroom door to keep out the dog and not wake the child. Now who would think of that? and be able to get into the house without the dog barking.

Wonder IF the perp showered?

Wonder if JY's motel room had an electronic key?

Just wonderin'
fran

You know if this knucklehead planned it this way he has to be a natural born idiot imo.

First he would know that up close and personal murders usually means the spouse or someone known to the victim.

Second by leaving the door with no forced entry would look like someone did this that knows her.

By leaving Cassidy all alone yet unharmed (although that is what they said Chris McCowen did with Ava when he murdered her mother, Christa Worthington.)

This guy if truly this stupid he might as well tattooed a sign on his forehead saying "I'm guilty".

If he did this the stupidity of some murderers continue to amaze me.

Why didn't he jimmy or bust the lock...rummage the drawers to make it look like a robbery? Why not just smother or strangle her, she was a petite woman, no match for him.

Who leaves a messy crime scene behind and actually thinks they will not get caught? SD immediately began making up all sort of lame reasons why Pamela's DNA may be on him or his DNA found in her home.

Still their stupidity continues to amaze me especially those who premeditate their crimes. They had to get their planning guide from the World's Dumbest Criminals.

IMO

Ocean

 

[raisincharlie]

LORD!!!! I've gone cold.

WHAT ... if .... the Jasonites *are* the defense team? JY hasn't given his timeline to LE (that we know of) And all the things we're writing - is actually helping him big time?

So - they're scripting an alibi as we move along with charlies great list - and the contributions from posters?

MAybe THAT'S why the Jasonites are staying away from W/S??

The key here is that we don't know if JY has or has not given a timeline to LE. One thing puzzles me a bit about LE saying they had only spoken with him briefly. What if they didn't need to speak with him ? Perhaps when the vehicle was impounded the evening of the 3rd - his lap top (if he had one which is probably safe to assume) and his briefcase may have been in the car. The laptop would answer much about time lines, the brief case may have contained receipts...LE may well have established time line and routes traveled without ever talking to JY if this is the case.

 

[packerdog]

There ya go! Sorry, no kids, didn't think that far . God didn't give me child-bearing hips; He sure made up for it with my child-bearling lips instead

Yes. that's a truly good call: so maybe there was evidence Cassie had been attended to?

If this was JY, he may have done something out of habit, instinct or reflex that a random perp would give a bluebird's whistle over. Anything else come to mind, packer?

I also wonder if cassity was potty trained. Would she have had a pull-up on during the night in case she had an accident? Could she go to the potty by herself? Was she wet? Oh gosh, all kinds of questions.

 

[PolkSaladAnnie]

The key here is that we don't know if JY has or has not given a timeline to LE. One thing puzzles me a bit about LE saying they had only spoken with him briefly. What if they didn't need to speak with him ? Perhaps when the vehicle was impounded the evening of the 3rd - his lap top (if he had one which is probably safe to assume) and his briefcase may have been in the car. The laptop would answer much about time lines, the brief case may have contained receipts...LE may well have established time line and routes traveled without ever talking to JY if this is the case.

OK, I hear you loud and clear, charlie. So (correct me if I am wrong) - the def do not have to prove whatever the pros says, right? They may care less - other than to create reasonable doubt and punch holes in the pros theory by simply creating a 'watertight' alibi/rationale to the jury ...that JY was indeed the perp.

I know burden of proof rests with pros: and a motive does not have to be brought to the fore. However, am I crazy to believe that jurors also want to know "why" ?

 

[oceanblueeyes]

It could be as simple as, 'there was no fax.'

Just sayin' maybe.....

JMHO
fran

That true Fran, so many possibilities.

I, however, think they assessed it due to the nature of the crime. Just like they did when Sara Walker was killed in an overkill like manner. That seems to have become a standard that LE rely on when determining the crime was not a random attack. I can certainly understand their logic. Who in the world would have ever thought a stranger unknown to S. Walker would stab her 27 times and beat her to death or that a stranger like JED could be that vicious against people he did not even know?

So, imo it was the heinousness and the fact that Michelle was pregnant that made them think that way and they could be exactly right. Hope we know something soon.

IMO

Ocean

 

[scandi]

Good Morning!

You guys have been so busy this morning LOL Great work by the way, and I only have a few thoughts to add.

* I still think Cassidy and the dog were in the same room with the door shut on them by the perp, but think once the action started the dog started barking, waking her up and she got out of bed and opened the door to see what was going on. There had to be noise - one LE officer said it was the most violent crime scene he had seen in 20+ years, and acc to JTF it was common for the dog to sleep in Cassidy's room

When Meredith asked Cassidy what hapopened, Cassidy was asking for a washrag and Mereedith said OK in a little bit. And when M asked C if her Mommy fall down, C started the sentence with the word Daddy and it sounded like she was in earnest telling M what she had seen. She wasn't crying or calling for her Daddy as the inflection of the word was all wrong. Even if he had someone with him, I believe JY was there in that house and Cassidy knew it was her Daddy. A bit later when M asked C if anyone else had been there I again heard the word Daddy.

We don't want to believe she saw who did this or that he would do this or be present with her there. It just might be he is pond scum and was as this was his mission do do away with Michelle as she was the one stumbling block in his life and he had to get rid of her.

If what Cassidy said was reported right away to police, it would be a big reason they thought it was an inside job and not a stranger.

* These are rumor points and so we don't know if they are true or false, but I have never read that JTF has disputed the statement that JY was unfaithful to her. She said JY loved her and that is a difference.

Also it was written that they either had filed for divorce or were about to do that.

* The 15 yr old is reported to have been in the home earlier on the night she died. This next door neighbor also hung with an older kid from the trailer park close by, and JY had a run in with these kids previously.

Don't know what you think or can use here Charlie. Scandi