Michelle Young ~ Pregnant Mother NC Part 3

[raisincharlie]

I have thought of a hit man but would a hit man kill the person this way? Seems too risky and messy. Just doesnt seem to be something a hit man would do but who in the heck knows....there isnt a certain rule on how killers murder people.

IMO

Ocean

I must say, it was Scott Dyleski and his girlfriend that taught me that bludgeoning someone would cause them more pain... if there were two or three blows perhaps a hitman but beyond that, someone was absolutely wanting to inflict pain and suffering IMO. Seems to me a silenced 22 pistol would be the weapon of choice for a hitman. Very silent, very quick, considerably less change of evidence left behind, in and out in a hurry, and a 22 hollow point in the brain is without a doubt, lethal.


Song for the day:

KT Tunstall, a bit of 12 bar blues:

http://music.yahoo.com/ar-16514161-videos--KT-Tunstall

5th title down - Black Horse and the Cherry Tree 2005. Enjoy.

Sorry Scandi - I know you can't hear it ! Not meaning to exclude.

 

[PolkSaladAnnie]

Hi Annie,

JTF said both M and J earned good money, but I think for a 32 year old man who has been married for what, 3 years or so, to have only worked at his last job for 3 months is a definite red flag!~

And if JY ordered the hit, it could have been done to his specifications. Because Cassidy was so adamant about the way swhe tried to tell about her Daddy, I think JY was there. Even if a friend of his did the killing. I just read a post at CTV where it said Meredith and her mom are quite convinced that JY is the killer, for what its worth. Don't know the poster that said this.

I think we all suspect that LE also feels there was a car parked outside that house between 12 and 6pm, and there has to be a very good reason they think this. It isn't because someone crawled through a window or came in by walking to the house or had entered the house beforehand. Whoever did this drove to the house between these hours.

Scandi

ETA: Yesterday at CTV, JTF stated she will not be posting there anymore. Bet she also got the word from the attorney. The waters have been felt, and think they might be worried about them being muddied!

Ohhh, scandi! Night - but I didn't think of TWO people there, including JY. Gulp! Maybe HE kept watch over Cassie and "Humphrey" the dog ... while.... ugh! Gee, did you have to submit a nugget of a post as F Detectives start... coming back to munch on this one later.

Thanks again and 'night x

 

[scandi]

I know people can volunteer to give their fingerprints without a search warrant but I always thought if they were wanting DNA even a non-testimonial order they had to go through a Judge to make it legally recognized.

He didn't even have to talk with them or give them a statement. Many times these non-testimonial orders are to included and exclude.

And JYs lawyer had ever right to fight this order through the court system but JY did not protest.

Ocean

Maybe JY didn't think he left any evidence behind. He lived there and maybe he wore gloves and took the murder weapon with him, wrapped up in something.

I did learn in reading last night that the machine that LE had delivered was done before the seal was removed from the house. So whatever it was used for was at the house. The computer analysis was a good guess, but I think a forensic computer tech would have everything he needed. I'm thinking it was a very specific or delicate instrument to detect blood in drains without ripping the drains out. If they found blood, then they would remove that specific piping. Right? LOL

 

[oceanblueeyes]

I must say, it was Scott Dyleski and his girlfriend that taught me that bludgeoning someone would cause them more pain... if there were two or three blows perhaps a hitman but beyond that, someone was absolutely wanting to inflict pain and suffering IMO. Seems to me a silenced 22 pistol would be the weapon of choice for a hitman. Very silent, very quick, considerably less change of evidence left behind, in and out in a hurry, and a 22 hollow point in the brain is without a doubt, lethal.


Song for the day:

KT Tunstall, a bit of 12 bar blues:

http://music.yahoo.com/ar-16514161-videos--KT-Tunstall

5th title down - Black Horse and the Cherry Tree 2005. Enjoy.

Sorry Scandi - I know you can't hear it ! Not meaning to exclude.

Me too Charlie. A 22 is perfect for hit men ..they love them. Quick, easy, clean and to the point.

I have tried to think of the hit man angle but I just dont see it in this case.

IMO

Ocean

 

[oceanblueeyes]

Maybe JY didn't think he left any evidence behind. He lived there and maybe he wore gloves and took the murder weapon with him, wrapped up in something.

I did learn in reading last night that the machine that LE had delivered was done before the seal was removed from the house. So whatever it was used for was at the house. The computer analysis was a good guess, but I think a forensic computer tech would have everything he needed. I'm thinking it was a very specific or delicate instrument to detect blood in drains without ripping the drains out. If they found blood, then they would remove that specific piping. Right? LOL

Sounds logical to me Scandi. There is always new technology out there. Maybe they have a way of doing sort of like a sonar search that shows all the nooks and crannies inside the piping through out the home and maybe they can detect blood even though unseen by the naked eye. I do know now they are video taping as the luminol testing is done. Use to any light would eradicate the tests and would not pick up the glow pattern when it was being done.

IMO

Ocean

 

[raisincharlie]

I know people can volunteer to give their fingerprints without a search warrant but I always thought if they were wanting DNA even a non-testimonial order they had to go through a Judge to make it legally recognized.

He didn't even have to talk with them or give them a statement. Many times these non-testimonial orders are used to included and exclude.

And JYs lawyer had every right to fight this order through the court system but JY did not protest.

Ocean

Why should he fight it - he lived there, his DNA is everywhere in the house.

However, if MY took a shower after her friend left, there would most likely be no trace of JY's DNA under her nails. If she had any chance of reacting to this vicious assault, she may have something under her nails, but sadly it is always not DNA. I'm not at all sure DNA is of great significance in a case such as this unless it is found somewhere where it should not be given the circumstance. Defense attorney's dream when defending a guilty client IMO.

 

[scandi]

I really don't either Ocean. Unless it was his lover who had put the push on JY to X the wife.

Also, what I really meant about the 15 year old is if LE thought he was suspicious, they would have certainly got a warrant for his DNA, but we have not heard they have done this. Would we have heard that? I don't know.

I read {but discounted this} that LE had JY come to the station for a lengthy interview before he was allowed to go to the funeral. Have you read that? I am sure it was from JTF. So the Sheriff, as of the 17th said JY had only spoken briefly with LE. I don't think he would lie, but would he know if they had talked to him again before that date? The funeral was back on the 9th, and on the 10th JY went by to visit her gravesite. Was she buried in
Raleigh?

Scandi

 

[oceanblueeyes]

Oooh. My FBI/Forensic Detectives are about to start! Then I am hitting the sack. It's been great in here again tonight: thanks all for the warmth, humour and ongoing sleuthing!

Leaving you all with a couple of thoughts - scandi dropped the first one in my mind having mentioned JTF and Misfits:

1. Any thoughts have the Jasonites hit other forums and blogs and not W/S? We come up in google every time...

2. Bludgeoning is an exceptionally savage way to murder someone. Why opt for this method? Lord, with the latest Russian Spy radioactive murder - there are cleaner and more mystifying ways to commit a crime like this (not giving tips or supporting ANY murder). The perp had to know a baby was in the house: to leave a body like that ... is just heinous. (I know it was supposed to look like an intruder attack...)

3. Do you think LE found footprints or tire tracks around the property?

4. Finally, wufdude - where are you?

'Night close :blowkiss:, jilly, ocean, taxi, charlie, fran, scandi, packer, otto, lurkers and gerkas : MrsM - you're missed with Boyz_mom: see ya later

Oh Annie.......dont go. Who needs sleep when ya have us?

Have a restful sleep.....we will be here when you return.

IMO

Ocean

 

[raisincharlie]

Me too Charlie. A 22 is perfect for hit men ..they love them. Quick, easy, clean and to the point.

I have tried to think of the hit man angle but I just dont see it in this case.

IMO

Ocean

Me neither. This was meant, it had a message IMO.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

I really don't either Ocean. Unless it was his lover who had put the push on JY to X the wife.

Also, what I really meant about the 15 year old is if LE thought he was suspicious, they would have certainly got a warrant for his DNA, but we have not heard they have done this. Would we have heard that? I don't know.

I read {but discounted this} that LE had JY come to the station for a lengthy interview before he was allowed to go to the funeral. Have you read that? I am sure it was from JTF. So the Sheriff, as of the 17th said JY had only spoken briefly with LE. I don't think he would lie, but would he know if they had talked to him again before that date? The funeral was back on the 9th, and on the 10th JY went by to visit her gravesite. Was she buried in
Raleigh?

Scandi

Well I think both LE and Jason are very mum about the entire darned thing, Scandi. Nothing but silence all the way around. If other warrants have been obtained I dont think we will hear one word about them.

Yes I think she was buried there. He sure must not have qualms in coming back to that town or he wouldnt just show up there. He had to know the media was snooping around and that the police probably had him under surveilance.

 

[scandi]

Boy, that sounds so possible Ocean, about a sonar machine to discover all the nooks and crannies of the piping in the house. They must think someone took a shower, maybe? And I guess they are hoping the perp was cut so they would find his blood mixed with hers.

That is the only reason for tracking blood in pipes, right? If the perp showered they would expect her blood to wash through the system. Someone elses blood would tell a story. And it is an older house, so there might be lots of snags and crannies or crack type marks in the metal from use over the years. That would certainly be a natural to call for a machine to do what we're thinking, that is if there is a machine like this!~

Scandi

 

[oceanblueeyes]

Why should he fight it - he lived there, his DNA is everywhere in the house.

However, if MY took a shower after her friend left, there would most likely be no trace of JY's DNA under her nails. If she had any chance of reacting to this vicious assault, she may have something under her nails, but sadly it is always not DNA. I'm not at all sure DNA is of great significance in a case such as this unless it is found somewhere where it should not be given the circumstance. Defense attorney's dream when defending a guilty client IMO.

Because I think all murderers start second guessing themselves Charlie and start thinking "but what if I". If he did this he knows if he wore gloves or not then if he didnt there very well could be a bloody fingerprint or palm print there.

SD left his shoe print ...that is another thing Jason would have to worry about and him thinking..."did I miss seeing it?"

 

[scandi]

Charlie and Ocean, I totally agree that this was meant, it had a message.

Hard to imagine that a guy with a possible limp wrist could commit such a savage attack, but then again, I don't really know about things like that.

Scandi

 

[raisincharlie]

Well I think both LE and Jason are very mum about the entire darned thing, Scandi. Nothing but sience all the way around. If other warrants have been obtained I dont think we will hear one word about them.

Yes I think she was buried there. He sure must not have qualms in coming back to that town or he wouldnt just show up there. He had to know the media was snooping around and that the police probably had him under surveilance.

I want to know if the police still have his vehicle. If they do, it speaks very loud to me such as definite POI to suspect. If it has been returned, that says something else, not sure what because they have had it for quite some time compared to the other vehicles. Curious.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

I want to know if the police still have his vehicle. If they do, it speaks very loud to me such as definite POI to suspect. If it has been returned, that says something else, not sure what because they have had it for quite some time compared to the other vehicles. Curious.

Now that is one of the most pivotal points that I want to know.

But then I think about SPs truck and it didn't have one darned bit of evidence in it yet they got to hold it forever it seemed.

IMO

Ocean

 

[raisincharlie]

:laugh:

Charlie and Ocean, I totally agree that this was meant, it had a message.

Hard to imagine that a guy with a possible limp wrist could commit such a savage attack, but then again, I don't really know about things like that.

Scandi

Scandi,

You crack me up sometimes !

I ask you, would you think it was possible for a 5' 6" kid weighing 110 to 115 lbs would be able to take on a 5' 10" woman of reasonable health and weighing close to 50 lbs more than him and bludgeon her to death while she was fully awake?

Limp wrist or not - it wouldn't take much to incapacitate a victim asleep in their bed with just one blow, or at least render them into a stupor and unable to function normally.

 

[scandi]

Because I think all murderers start second guessing themselves Charlie and start thinking "but what if I". If he did this he knows if he wore gloves or not then if he didnt there very well could be a bloody fingerprint or palm print there.

SD left his shoe print ...that is another thing Jason would have to worry about and him thinking..."did I miss seeing it?"

Very good Ocean. For one thing when he started the attack or hit her from behind, he had no idea how much blood would be illicited from the wounds. And if she fell to the floor and somewhat huddled to escape the blows to her head {the body was found in a twisted type position} he could easily have walked in blood coming from her body. He probably didn't even think of this. But as you say, if he is the one, I bet he has run everything through his mind a million times trying to remember where or what evidence he could have left. Bet he's wondering about that special machine too!

And also if his hair is found on top of stuicky blood, or a fibre, that would point directly to him as the perp.

Wish I really knew why LE think it was not random and why M's mom and Meredith are so sure JY is the perp.

Scandi

 

[raisincharlie]

Now that is one of the most pivotal points that I want to know.

But then I think about SPs truck and it didn't have one darned bit of evidence in it yet they got to hold it forever it seemed.

IMO

Ocean

Geragos had to file a motion in court as I recall to get it back because the parents were complaining about making the payments on it. I don't think they got it back until during the trial actually. That is my point I think - they kept that truck forever and Scotty was definitely their main suspect - it took a judge to get it back.

No reason to keep that vehicle if the owner is not a suspect - there just is no legal reason to hold it otherwise. I could see it if the crime occured in the vehicle, but said vehicle was supposed to have been located in another state at the time of this crime.

 

[raisincharlie]

Because I think all murderers start second guessing themselves Charlie and start thinking "but what if I". If he did this he knows if he wore gloves or not then if he didnt there very well could be a bloody fingerprint or palm print there.

SD left his shoe print ...that is another thing Jason would have to worry about and him thinking..."did I miss seeing it?"

Well I certainly agree with you on that. If JY did it, don't you know that fellow was absolutely sweating bullets when they confiscated his truck ? Major wake up call before the dust has even settled. Seems you have made a case for why he wouldn't volunteer to give fingerprints and lots of others did.

 

[strach304]

Where to begin? :waitasec:
Glad Scandi brought up the rumors about the divorce because I was gonna point it out. I read that early on as well but it was on the ctv board. We do have to admit that in cases like this it's always the spouse or SO with the most motive whether real or imagined. Some people do still get divorced as opposed to killing their ex's. In the SP case it was even proven that Laci would be recieving an inheritance had she lived.

Have to comment on the court order because imo way too much is being made of this in the form of LE suspected Jason right away and maybe they did but truth is had they not have done it that way and LE found other evidence as of yet unknown to them it may have been disallowed at trial. Other cases I'm sure have made this a sop for this dept. They needed Jason's dna and fingerprints anyway.

We simply have no facts to determine if an outsider or neighbor did this. Were the doors locked to begin with? You wouldn't think a stranger would lock them on his way out either. No forced entry means simply that. Le may also be considering that Michele let them in. We have no proof she was killed in bed or her bedroom. If we're to consider other rumors by posters in the know then we have to consider that there were things missing. LE could not know that right away and again it could have been staged as well. According to JTF many people have been fingerprinted and we don't know about warrants and court orders or for whom. Not random imo would also include someone in the area that at least knew of Michele and her traveling husband. Many possibilities.