Michelle Young~Pregnant Mother NC Part 4

[Taximom]

(snipped)
Since it will be one month since this
monstrous murder soon, perhaps Ms. Lamb can be
coaxed into doing a follow up.

One month already.

 

[close_enough]

One month already.

yeah, December 3rd will be one month...6 days from now

 

[strach304]

Aw, shoot, I thought I quoted someone for this comment, but it didn't work!

All I was going to say is that I also think JY planned leaving his home while MiY's friends were there so they could witness "a happy couple". This way nobody (LE) could infer that maybe a fight broke out that evening, and he left in anger or was kicked out etc.

Please pass the ovaltine!

You know what your post just made me realize that I haven't seen observed here yet? What if it wasn't a business meeting as he claims but Michele sent him packing or they had very recently seperated and he was there to get things? I know we might assume that Meredith knew etc. but she really didn't. First poster that said there was marital problems and they were already seperated or about to be also said that Michele's family thought Jason was behind it and they may have known Michele was planning a divorce but didn't know Jason had moved out. You understand what I'm trying to communicate here I hope? He could claim that he moved back in and they were reconciling. Very possible it was so recent Michele hadn't confided that to anyone other than one friend and that friend possibly being whoever was there that night.

 

[strach304]

You know what your post just made me realize that I haven't seen observed here yet? What if it wasn't a business meeting as he claims but Michele sent him packing or they had very recently seperated and he was there to get things? I know we might assume that Meredith knew etc. but she really didn't. First poster that said there was marital problems and they were already seperated or about to be also said that Michele's family thought Jason was behind it and they may have known Michele was planning a divorce but didn't know Jason had moved out. You understand what I'm trying to communicate here I hope? He could claim that he moved back in and they were reconciling. Very possible it was so recent Michele hadn't confided that to anyone other than one friend and that friend possibly being whoever was there that night.

Sorry, quoting myself here but I have more thoughts :blushing:

So the 11 o'clock call was to tell Michele he forgot something and needed to come back so she in fact let the killer in or of course he used his key. He very well could have been staying in a motel a half hour or so away.

 

[Alice253]

You know what your post just made me realize that I haven't seen observed here yet? What if it wasn't a business meeting as he claims but Michele sent him packing or they had very recently seperated and he was there to get things? I know we might assume that Meredith knew etc. but she really didn't. First poster that said there was marital problems and they were already seperated or about to be also said that Michele's family thought Jason was behind it and they may have known Michele was planning a divorce but didn't know Jason had moved out. You understand what I'm trying to communicate here I hope? He could claim that he moved back in and they were reconciling. Very possible it was so recent Michele hadn't confided that to anyone other than one friend and that friend possibly being whoever was there that night.

Now there's something to ponder. I hadn't quite gone that far with my thinking after reading that post, but I was thinking that possibly MY and JY had a big blowout before the friend(s) arrived. Perhaps after JY left, she told the friend(s).

 

[Alice253]

Sorry, quoting myself here but I have more thoughts :blushing:

So the 11 o'clock call was to tell Michele he forgot something and needed to come back so she in fact let the killer in or of course he used his key. He very well could have been staying in a motel a half hour or so away.

Keep going Strach - he could have told her he forgot something, and was on his way back to pick it up - and not to worry or wait up - he'd let himself in and back out.

 

[strach304]

Found in the bedroom too where his personal belongings like clothes may have been.

The business trip may or may not be real but I suspect it was. The visit to family added on because the friend saw how much luggage he left with thus having to account for taking so many items for a one night stay. Actually 1/2 day.

 

[raisincharlie]

Yes....from age 18 months to 5. Army brat.


Yep, it's Charlies fault.

Back on topic. Is it possible that Jason has been in touch with LE since the Sheriff's comment about speaking with him briefly? He may be calling in for progress reports or may have even met with investigators, attorney in tow.

Sewing Deb & PSA,

Ja soll ich fur die Ablenkung tadeln. Tadeln mich, wahrend ich gegangen werde. Ich kann nicht mich vertidigen.

So on topic - it is possible JY has been in touch with LE, but definitely only with lawyer in tow. Just basing this on the step-dad, I have doubt there is any contact from JY's side unless it would be his lawyer doing it. For some reason I don't think there will be any talking to JY unless there is no way to avoid it. JMO

So nothing happening again today, hmmmmm.

 

[Taximom]

You know what your post just made me realize that I haven't seen observed here yet? What if it wasn't a business meeting as he claims but Michele sent him packing or they had very recently seperated and he was there to get things? I know we might assume that Meredith knew etc. but she really didn't. First poster that said there was marital problems and they were already seperated or about to be also said that Michele's family thought Jason was behind it and they may have known Michele was planning a divorce but didn't know Jason had moved out. You understand what I'm trying to communicate here I hope? He could claim that he moved back in and they were reconciling. Very possible it was so recent Michele hadn't confided that to anyone other than one friend and that friend possibly being whoever was there that night.

Strach, I've been struggling with what you wrote myself for a while now. I just haven't been able to substantiate it because there hasn't been anyone that we know of that has anything negative to say about this couple. Even the gay friend says positive things about MiY and JY, and he just had lunch with her a few days before she was killed. Perhaps Meredith and her mother know something, but are keeping it under wraps...

It's been niggling (Samiya's influence) at me this whole time! Thanks for bringing it out for discussion.

So if there was something bad happening to the relationship, it had to be fairly new. New enough where she wasn't going to tell anyone about it, hoping that it would get better soon. All hypothetical, of course.

I just think the solo visit to his parent's house is ODD. Maybe this can account for it.:waitasec:

 

[scandi]

Found in the bedroom too where his personal belongings like clothes may have been.

The business trip may or may not be real but I suspect it was. The visit to family added on because the friend saw how much luggage he left with thus having to account for taking so many items for a one night stay. Actually 1/2 day.

You've got you're thinking cap on Strach, and when I read this statement of yours I immediately took a deep breath!

We had the rumor they were about to or had just filed for divorce. Say if they had just decided to split, and it was Michelle who was the one who had asked for this and pushed it, it very well could be with him taking all that luggage with him that evening, this was his initial moving out. It does make sense to me and also gives a possible reason why he would lash out at her with a vengance, taking his family and girl and little boy from him, the house and everything they had worked hard to get, and he would be left with child support for 2 children which would be a strain as it would be hefty - he had only been on the job 3 months! *

I hadn't read Strach, that his belongings like clothes were in the bedroom. Was that in one of the articles in the paper?

I also wanted to correct something I read here. In their paper it was written that Meredith only said she went to the house to get something, It was LE who said it was a fax. I heard the Sheriff on Greta mention it was a fax. In the 911 call, Meredith did not mention anything about this that we heard. All she said was that it was a fluke and she never went there in the daytime.

The other thought is Meredith saying something like the house didn't look like it usually does. I've been wondering how she meant that. Considering the violence of the murder, I can see that if someone is going to bash someones head in to kill them they are racked with anger and hostility. So I could easily see lamps knocked over, bedding everywhere, things broken and thrown against the wall and picturese hanging crooked on the wall. Stuff even landing on the stairway or out in the hallway. It wouldn't take that much for a violent person like this to make a shambles of a place.

I think that is what Meredith meant. I don't think she meant things looked like they were missing, furniture gone, etc. Just that everything was out of place and rather upside down.

Scandi

ETA: * This would also explain him going all the way to his folks' house for a stay, as I thought that pretty odd too! Just seems to fit together as a good theory, right?

 

[otto]

i would think that IF JY isn't allowing the Fisher family to see Cassidy, they WILL go thru the courts to get visitation....will be interesting to see if this will be the scenario, huh?

i mull here also, when i'm not on the computer....i was laying in bed last night, trying to put myself in JY's place...(the murderer's place, that is)....trying to 'plan' what i need to do, etc.........crazy huh?..lol

That's funny ... I sometimes try to imagine what Michelle's timeline was. I'm inclined to think that she was attacked while she slept. That would mean minimum noise and commotion. I'm thinking about that awful guy, can't think of his name, that murdered so many women from Seattle to Texas by hitting them in the head, including the 6 university students while they slept. He was put to death. He killed women while their roommates slept in the next room ... one blow to the head and it was pretty much all over. That would be consistent with Cassidy being rather cheerful and unafraid in the morning ... as though she slept through the whole thing.

Gotta run again ... recital practice with the children.

 

[sweetmop]

Just wanted to let you guys know i emailed greta too, and maybe she will do an update for all of the concerned. I'm sure there is A STORY behind this horrific murder. I agree that Meredith would be perfect to have custody of Cassie, she is bonded very close to that child, and is close to her mama in spirit, beliefs and ideals. She would be a perfect situation. Wonder if the couple, ( MY and JY ) had a will or had had a talk with Meredith about her being custodian in the event of their deaths. I know my husband and I did that with my sis and her hubby when our kids were little. Is the talk of them being on the verge of divorce reality? Where was this from, I have missed that somewhere. I think it was Taximom who said I need to post my thoughts more, well I am one to sit back and read all the great ideas and all of you are SUPER SLEUTHS and I so enjoy this group. I feel like I am always behind everything as I have a really crazy work schedule and I'm sporadic with being able to get on here... I'm a nurse and can't peep in on here while at work. I think all of you are awesome and appreciate every single one of you. :blowkiss: This case is especially heart wrenching , with the little one in the home during the murder and all that time with her dead mom's bloody body. That absolutely breaks my heart, just that picture in my mind. I can't for the life of me understand this type of mentality. What could you possibly be thinking knowing you have just murdered a beautiful person, a pregnant womanand the mother of your beautiful little girl, and then walk out and leave the house. Scum of the earth!

 

[scandi]

Hi Sweetmop, It's always good to see you here too! ;}

When I read your post I thought of that little girl politely asking her auntie if she could have a washcloth. That delicate little voice. I bet she was covered with blood as well from head to toe. She had probably even laid down beside her to comfort her mom and maybe wake her up. But then I think she realized her mom was dead, because I heard her say that on the tape too.

Since you're a nurse, if you dont' mind, I have a few questions after listening to Dr Baden on Greta a few weeks ago.

He said she was hit in the back of the head to where it cracked her skull and did damage to her brains. We don't know what the weapon was, but how hard is it to crack a skull open like this to where the brains start to come out? I don't think it would be with one blow. And I'm wondering what the chances are that she would be able to fight back to defend herself after the first blow. I know there are many variables, like if it hit her square on the head, but so many of us think she ended up on the floor because of all Cassidy's little footprints. Blood on the bed would have soaked in where as it wouldn't on the carpet.

Scandi

 

[sweetmop]

Hi Sweetmop, It's always good to see you here too! ;} Oh thank you scandi :blushing: ... regarding the blow or blows to the head, and depending upon the weapon used, it would have to be a really hard hit with a very dense object to do this type damage with the first blow. Though it could be done. Michelle may very well have fought the murderer if the first hit was not swift, direct and hard There comes a time when she would have been stunned and/or hurt to the point of passing out, fainting,due to the 'josteling' of the brain. A person could come to from that if no further damage was dealt them, but we know the end of this story. So sad... and as many times as I've listened to the 911 tape, I'd not heard Cassie saying anything about mommy being dead. That is so so sad. Heart breaking.

 

[sweetmop]

Just heard that greta has something coming up on her show. "Why was JY back in Raleigh?"... coming up in a few....

 

[scandi]

YaYa Sweetmop. Thanks. I think she has had a few emails!
Scandi

 

[scandi]

Sweetmop, Sami, our poster who is an audio specialist, says she said something very close to "See daddy do it...did that bweeding everywhere...and she dead."

The only word I didn't hear is see in the augmented tape which has now been pulled due to the sensitivity of the material.

Scandi

 

[scandi]

Nothing new really to report from that spot on Greta. The only new thing I heard is that Jason is going back and forth between Bravard and Raleigh. The house sitting just like it was when investigators left. Only a few family friends have gone in.

Also, the reason that LE canvassed the neighborhood plus the area of the trailer park was to see if anyone had seen or heard anything that early morning.

Scandi

 

[raisincharlie]

Just heard that greta has something coming up on her show. "Why was JY back in Raleigh?"... coming up in a few....

I noted Greta did not tell us the why...

But we know the autopsy has not yet been released. I don't want to hear it anyway.

 

[Samiya]

Scandi,

Can you change the post above and send it (with the recording if you like)privately to SweetMop please hon. There's a reason why I haven't posted the transliteration of what I heard and it couples with why I had to remove the recording post.

Thanks hon

Sami
(who's not growling at ya)