Miley Cyrus - what the heck happened?

[ATasteOfHoney]

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OMG!

Blatant sexuality and drug use in Hollywood!

Who knew????

By the way I doubt Miley was high on anything other than her performance. You just can't twerk like that if you're off your face.

I don't know except to add this: many a meth-head has been known to tweek and twerk.
:floorlaugh:

 

[21merc7]

I was being facetious, but just can't see this rubbish having a big audience, and I can't quite work out what it would be. I guess it's the kind of song that gets played in a club or whatever.

And my comment was about PAYING for music, actually forking out cash when most music can be found free online, especially by 20 somethings.

Oops. :blushing:

Yeah, I don't know who would pay for that, but it isn't her song it is Thicke's song. But, you are right, you can listen to nearly everything free somewhere now.

Still embarrassed.:blushing::blushing:

 

[Mrs G Norris]

LOL!!!!! Don't be!! Love ya xoxoxo

 

[Gardenlady]

Embrace and celebrate the fool she made out of herself? Really?
It was trashy...there is nothing wrong with calling it like it is.

Where did I say embrace or celebrate it?

Do you really not see a middle ground between using shaming language on one end, and embracing/celebrated on the other end?

Or do you just like to misquote people?

 

[ArianeEmory]

iTunes and Amazon's revised DRM and delivery methods definitely sell a lot of mp3s. At this point--speaking as a former 20 something who downloaded everything for free--it's easier to just pay the 99c for a pop song you like (or buy the whole album of a lesser known band you want to support) and have it instantly on your device.

Meanwhile, I have to give SapphireSteel props for providing us the ultimate historical perspective. Plus ça change...

 

[Charlie09]

Where did I say embrace or celebrate it?

Do you really not see a middle ground between using shaming language on one end, and embracing/celebrated on the other end?

Or do you just like to misquote people?

It was shameful, it was lewd, it was tasteless. She should be ashamed, she's not, but she should be.

Even camalia pagilia who is a noted liberal feminist called it a lewd performance.

http://ideas.time.com/2013/08/27/pops-drop-from-madonna-to-miley/?iid=op-main-lead

 

[Mrs G Norris]

It was shameful, it was lewd, it was tasteless. She should be ashamed, she's not, but she should be.

Even camalia pagilia who is a noted liberal feminist called it a lewd performance.

http://ideas.time.com/2013/08/27/pops-drop-from-madonna-to-miley/?iid=op-main-lead

I just thought it was carp. I mean there is definitely 'good slutty', but what Miley did certainly wasn't it. That's what shocked me, just how BAD it was. Still laughing at the foam finger LOLOLOL!!!!!

 

[ATasteOfHoney]

I don't want to become too enmeshed in this debate but I think there is some merit in pointing out the other side of a feminist standpoint (albeit an "old-school" feminist approach based more on the 70's style of femininism): How about a woman empower herself through her talents, merit, style, accomplishments, and aesthetic creativity as opposed to shock-value shallowness?
Growing up as a feminist, I valued education, ethics, accomplishments, career-goals earned the hard way (merit), etc, etc,

Personally, I didn't care for Mil*y's performance mostly because it was a mish-mash of nothingness, no substance, no understandable theme (teddy bears?) and it didn't seem well-rehearsed. The acoustics/singing seemed poorly done too.

(p.s. I didn't much care for Thick*'s performance or attire either).

 

[21merc7]

It was shameful, it was lewd, it was tasteless. She should be ashamed, she's not, but she should be.

Even camalia pagilia who is a noted liberal feminist called it a lewd performance.

http://ideas.time.com/2013/08/27/pops-drop-from-madonna-to-miley/?iid=op-main-lead

Had to read it, didn't know Pagilia was still writing about stars. As usual, she gets right to the point.

 

[Mrs G Norris]

Also, her out of control ego is getting on my nerves.

 

[ATasteOfHoney]

http://www.billboard.com/articles/c...and-miley-cyrus-craft-their-finest-twerk-song


"No, please. Stop."

"Justin Bieber and Miley Cyrus joined forces to record a newly leaked club anthem with lyrics as wide ranging as "Girl I can't believe what you do to me" and "I valet the car." Of course the song's called "Twerk" and arrives on the heels of Cyrus' controversial performance at the MTV Video Music Awards, where she showered viewers (and Robin Thicke) with several minutes of her signature dance."

....final sign of the end of days....

 

[Gardenlady]

It was shameful, it was lewd, it was tasteless. She should be ashamed, she's not, but she should be.

Even camalia pagilia who is a noted liberal feminist called it a lewd performance.

http://ideas.time.com/2013/08/27/pops-drop-from-madonna-to-miley/?iid=op-main-lead

Camille Paglia is not and never has been a "liberal feminist". She is a libertarian, and a feminist of sorts (more of a feminist critic) she has never been within the mainstream of feminism, and certainly she would be the very first to admit that she definitely does not speak for feminism.

That said, I always enjoy Paglia's writing, and have all her books. I definitely appreciate her art and literary criticism much more than her feminist criticism though.

 

[ArianeEmory]

I don't want to become too enmeshed in this debate but I think there is some merit in pointing out the other side of a feminist standpoint (albeit an "old-school" feminist approach based more on the 70's style of femininism): How about a woman empower herself through her talents, merit, style, accomplishments, and aesthetic creativity as opposed to shock-value shallowness?
Growing up as a feminist, I valued education, ethics, accomplishments, career-goals earned the hard way (merit), etc, etc,

Personally, I didn't care for Mil*y's performance mostly because it was a mish-mash of nothingness, no substance, no understandable theme (teddy bears?) and it didn't seem well-rehearsed. The acoustics/singing seemed poorly done too.

(p.s. I didn't much care for Thick*'s performance or attire either).

I suppose I am somewhat post-feminist in that I think a woman should be able to do anything she wants to at all, including being a stripper or a sex worker. I don't think we should be limited by any agenda including the old-school feminist ones. Just me.

Meanwhile (not directed at you, Honey, was going to link this anyway):

http://top40-charts.com/chart.php?cid=27

 

[Mrs G Norris]

....final sign of the end of days....

Is there anything we can do to speed this up?

 

[Gardenlady]

I don't want to become too enmeshed in this debate but I think there is some merit in pointing out the other side of a feminist standpoint (albeit an "old-school" feminist approach based more on the 70's style of femininism): How about a woman empower herself through her talents, merit, style, accomplishments, and aesthetic creativity as opposed to shock-value shallowness?
Growing up as a feminist, I valued education, ethics, accomplishments, career-goals earned the hard way (merit), etc, etc,

Personally, I didn't care for Mil*y's performance mostly because it was a mish-mash of nothingness, no substance, no understandable theme (teddy bears?) and it didn't seem well-rehearsed. The acoustics/singing seemed poorly done too.

(p.s. I didn't much care for Thick*'s performance or attire either).

Old school, 70s, or second wave feminism is definitely more hostile to sex than current (or third wave) feminism. Third wave feminism tends to be much more sex positive, and much more inclusive. Second wave was not very welcoming to the queer community, women of color, and women of lower socio-economic groups.

That said, I will again agree that there is a legitimate feminist critique to be made of Cyrus' performance, for the reasons you listed (playing into stereotypes, etc). But it should not be done via shaming of bodies, shaming of perceptions of sexual behavior, and definitely should not be done without mention of the song lyrics and actions of the male performer who was center stage with her.

 

[Charlie09]

Camille Paglia is not and never has been a "liberal feminist". She is a libertarian, and a feminist of sorts (more of a feminist critic) she has never been within the mainstream of feminism, and certainly she would be the very first to admit that she definitely does not speak for feminism.

That said, I always enjoy Paglia's writing, and have all her books. I definitely appreciate her art and literary criticism much more than her feminist criticism though.

She calls herself a dissident feminists and I think calls out much of what is wrong with current politically correct feminism.

I appreciated her critique I posted earlier and calling the performance as she and many saw it ..lewd and quite frankly, a horribly tasteless performance.

 

[animlzrule]

I thought their performance was lewd, embarrassing and desperate as well. But I'm mystified about all of the pearl clutching. If children saw this either as it was broadcast, or on TV outlets afterwards, magazines, twitter, instagram, tumblr, whatever........that's on "YOU" parents! My child knows nothing of this performance, because I do not watch adult themed programming (and yes, MTV has been adult themed for at least a decade now) around him, nor do I watch network news, cable news or FGS even listen to pop radio around him. It's MY responsibility to shield him from age inappropriate material. Why do people have cable news or news programs on when there are young children around? Why would a child have unfettered access to smart phones, computers, television etc? Because somewhere, a parent isn't taking care to monitor and supervise them while they are accessing these devices. I'm also always flabbergasted here when I read about forum members talking about their very small children being aware of the murdered and missing children discussed on this site. Really people???? My niece is a huge "BELIEBER", and is in the 4th grade, yet knows NOTHING about his offstage, and recently, onstage antics. Why? Because her parents monitor her exposure to media. It's not easy, but neither is being a parent. Are we really going to blame MTV, Miley Cyrus, Robin Thicke etc, for our own failings as parents? I look at her and shake my head and believe their display to have been pathetic and sad, but that's where it stops. Because I know that whatever went on on that stage that night has nothing, whatsoever, and will never have anything to do with my child.

 

[SapphireSteel]

*** has already appeared six times on national television, but it is his appearance on*** that triggers the first controversy of his career. *** sings his latest single, "***," with all the pelvis-shaking intensity his fans scream for.

Television critics across the country slam the performance for its "appalling lack of musicality," for its "vulgarity" and "animalism."

The Catholic Church takes up the criticism in its weekly organ in a piece headlined "Beware ****."

Concerns about juvenile delinquency and the changing moral values of the young find a new target in the popular singer.that triggers the first controversy of his career.

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/cultureshock/flashpoints/music/elvis.html

Written about a performance in 1956.

Sounds familiar...

 

[otto]

Hannah Montana ended in 2011. She's no longer on Disney Channel. She is not signed to their record label. Her new music/image is not marketed towards children. It sounds like it's time for parents to find an actual role model (like maybe themselves?) for their kids instead of expecting a 20-year-old pop star to raise them.

Clinton might like to become a male stripper, but is that reasonable given his previous role? The end of the contract doesn't mean that the responsibility vanishes. Some roles are for life.

 

[ArianeEmory]

Hannah Montana = POTUS?