Millard Properties: Locations and Ownership

[Tamarind]

Your opinion of what?

the opinion highlighted:

I don't usually imply I usually make it clear what I am saying. What I am saying is that I find it odd that the truck was allegedly spotted in downtown Brantford at around 10pm in the dark. I am surprised that it stood out enough to be immediately noteworthy and reported to police within hours.
That is not to say it wasn't his truck, it is saying I, me myself find it strange and I make no excuse for my opinion on the matter. You have a lot of maybes in your post as opposed to facts which doesn't persuade my opinion. The evidence at trial my support my opinion or not. We will see.

in short form:

The trial may prove that the sighting (of Bosma truck) was inaccurate ( random and not based on fact) or it won't...

 

[Kamille]

Woah! Nice find Kamille. These are DM's and MB's residence correct?

Yes they are. What an odd coincidence.

MOO

 

[matou]

Yes they are. What an odd coincidence.

MOO

Great work as always! :heartbeat::heartbeat::heartbeat:

 

[swedie]

A blue SUV

https://www.google.ca/maps/place/5+...m2!3m1!1s0x882b386cca678bd7:0x13ad2047b2e8a31

A black truck

https://www.google.ca/maps/place/32...2!3m1!1s0x882b243fa1b3392b:0xb8d64831c796f4fb

Hey...I just thought of something. DM said in one jailhouse letter: For heaven’s sake, it’s right in front of everyone’s faces, and no one seems to be able to figure it all out!? Could it be "this" truck that keeps popping up? This truck sitting in MB's driveway? Hmm who is the owner to "that" truck? An acquaintance of MB? So DM is still settling to take the rap for someone else, instead of divulging what he knows and is so obvious...sheesh what a great guy. MOO.

 

[Alethea Dice]

Ever been on the Main Street of a small town at 10pm on a Monday night? Not much traffic. Maybe the spotter knew TB and his truck. Maybe he/she is a fan of Dodge Ram Trucks? Maybe the vehicle was speeding and stood out for that reason. Maybe it was being followed closely and both vehicles were driving erratically which made them stand out. So many maybes. LE know who this person was and they haven't been arrested so I'm not sure what you're implying.

With a population of about 94,000, and apparently enough people to support 9 drinking establishments, I'm not sure how "small town" I would call it.

http://www.brantford.ca/business/InvestInBrantford/Pages/default.aspx

Followed closely by who? The SUV that was not seen on the video from where the cell phone was found?

Bosma's cellphone was found three days later in an industrial area of neighbouring city of Brantford.

However, "no other vehicle'' can be seen on surveillance video in that area, Kavanagh said.

http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2013/05/14/tim-bosma-dead-hamilton-police_n_3272365.html

 

[Alethea Dice]

Nope. Not my assumption anyway. You see there's this group of people called concerned citizens (les citoyens concernés) who actually respect the LE officers who are tasked with serving and protecting them. So when ther's a big case all over the news and those concerned citizens think they may have some pertinent information, they call said LE officers. We know one called about seeing a black Dodge Ram truck travelling in downtown Brantford around 10pm on the night TB disappeared. I'll bet another one called after reading about the case and the other Dodge Ram owner who went on a test drive with two suspicious dudes and said "hey officer you're never gonna believe this but I was supposed to meet with a couple of guys about my Dodge Ram for sale the same day!" Concerned citizen's phone number was checked against burner phone records. Bingo. At the time this was announced LE even indicated there could be more, in an effort to prompt not so eager concerned citizens to contact them about anything unusual with the sale of their Dodge Rams.

After that, all other numbers on the burner list were likely traced and the person's verified and perhaps interviewed as to whom they were talking to at that phone number. I doubt there was a long list. The phone seemed to have been procured for a limited purpose.

MOO

Well you would be wrong about the other Ram owners calling in. Here is a transcript of the police conference.

Yesterday Police received the results of a Production Order for the cellular telephone of the man that contacted Mr. Bosma. From the cellular records and interviews Police have found that these two individuals test drove a similar vehicle in Toronto on Sunday May 5th in the middle of the day.

http://joeycoleman.ca/2013/05/10/hamilton-police-press-conference-update-on-tim-bosma-missing-person-for-may-10-2013/

 

[Alethea Dice]

google maps 2009

Yes, 2009. Two years before the Harley was stolen. Funny coincidence that, considering the neighbours reported that DM was very seldom seen around MB's place, he just happened to be there in a truck never before reported as one belonging to him, at the very moment that Google maps drove by and snapped a picture.

 

[Alethea Dice]

Hey...I just thought of something. DM said in one jailhouse letter: For heaven’s sake, it’s right in front of everyone’s faces, and no one seems to be able to figure it all out!? Could it be "this" truck that keeps popping up? This truck sitting in MB's driveway? Hmm who is the owner to "that" truck? An acquaintance of MB? So DM is still settling to take the rap for someone else, instead of divulging what he knows and is so obvious...sheesh what a great guy. MOO.

I don't know who the owner of that truck was in 2009, but I sure hope he/she is okay with you implicating him/her in the theft of a motorcycle 3 1/2 years later.

JMO

 

[swedie]

google maps 2009

Apparently 2009 of the Yukon. And apparently DM still had that Yukon at the time of TB's murder. Do you know when the one of MB's residence was taken? I speculate that Bobcat was the one that was moved out to the farmland after its purchase. The Bobcat LE hauled away on a flat bed after TB's charred remains were found there. Was that one of DM's toys and maybe one of the reasons why WM agreed upon DM purchasing the farmland? He got sick of DM cluttering up his yard with such toys? Was he hoping DM would get moving to build that dream house, grow up and get out of his house? Just speculating and MOO.

 

[Kamille]

Well you would be wrong about the other Ram owners calling in. Here is a transcript of the police conference.



http://joeycoleman.ca/2013/05/10/hamilton-police-press-conference-update-on-tim-bosma-missing-person-for-may-10-2013/

Yep, looks like that's how they found the first guy who actually went on the test drive. And that info was publicized. It may or may not be how they found the second guy who did not go on the test drive since his info didn't come out until after the first guy's info did. He may have had to call them if they couldn't get a hold of him or they hadn't gotten to his number yet. They did suggest there could be others after the press conference about the first guy and encouraged people to call in. Thanks for the link. Haven't seen info from that independent journalist before.

 

[Tamarind]

Nope. Not my assumption anyway. You see there's this group of people called concerned citizens (les citoyens concernés) who actually respect the LE officers who are tasked with serving and protecting them. So when ther's a big case all over the news and those concerned citizens think they may have some pertinent information, they call said LE officers. We know one called about seeing a black Dodge Ram truck travelling in downtown Brantford around 10pm on the night TB disappeared. I'll bet another one called after reading about the case and the other Dodge Ram owner who went on a test drive with two suspicious dudes and said "hey officer you're never gonna believe this but I was supposed to meet with a couple of guys about my Dodge Ram for sale the same day!" Concerned citizen's phone number was checked against burner phone records. Bingo. At the time this was announced LE even indicated there could be more, in an effort to prompt not so eager concerned citizens to contact them about anything unusual with the sale of their Dodge Rams.

After that, all other numbers on the burner list were likely traced and the person's verified and perhaps interviewed as to whom they were talking to at that phone number. I doubt there was a long list. The phone seemed to have been procured for a limited purpose.

MOO

Or so the story goes, as they say . JMO

 

[Sillybilly]

Then the witnesses will need to be shown pictures to show them the difference between a Yukon SUV and a truck IMO. No good having witnesses who don't know their arse from a hole in the ground. JMO

But it isn't a truck and simple eyewitness errors are a matter of importance when trials come around IMO.

<rsbm>

You are correct that a picture will be what is required to validate what the witnesses saw. Witnesses are everyday people who don't necessarily use the same terminology.

I drive a Jeep Grand Cherokee which is technically a mid-size SUV and which I refer to as "the Jeep". I would never refer to it as "the truck" or "the SUV". My friends generally refer to it as "the truck. I've never had anyone call it "the SUV".

While the Yukon is actually a full-size SUV, I would call it a truck due to its size. I'll wager that most folks would call it "the Yukon" or "the truck" ... not "the SUV".

 

[Tamarind]

Great work as always! :heartbeat::heartbeat::heartbeat:

What is great? the google map or the black truck circa 2009.?

 

[swedie]

I don't know who the owner of that truck was in 2009, but I sure hope he/she is okay with you implicating him/her in the theft of a motorcycle 3 1/2 years later.

JMO

AD are you sure this is from 2009?

Lots of implying going on in these forums isn't there? I don't think MM would be ok with people implying he set up the theft of his own HD and trailer either, do you? Obviously DM isn't ok with people implying he guilty of murdering three people either is he? MOO.

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[Tamarind]

Apparently 2009 of the Yukon. And apparently DM still had that Yukon at the time of TB's murder. Do you know when the one of MB's residence was taken? I speculate that Bobcat was the one that was moved out to the farmland after its purchase. The Bobcat LE hauled away on a flat bed after TB's charred remains were found there. Was that one of DM's toys and maybe one of the reasons why WM agreed upon DM purchasing the farmland? He got sick of DM cluttering up his yard with such toys? Was he hoping DM would get moving to build that dream house, grow up and get out of his house? Just speculating and MOO.

Presumably its 2009, Kamille hasn't said otherwise, so presuming based on her acquiescence.

 

[Tamarind]

<rsbm>

You are correct that a picture will be what is required to validate what the witnesses saw. Witnesses are everyday people who don't necessarily use the same terminology.

I drive a Jeep Grand Cherokee which is technically a mid-size SUV and which I refer to as "the Jeep". I would never refer to it as "the truck" or "the SUV". My friends generally refer to it as "the truck. I've never had anyone call it "the SUV".

While the Yukon is actually a full-size SUV, I would call it a truck due to its size. I'll wager that most folks would call it "the Yukon" or "the truck" ... not "the SUV".

I dont call it a truck, but then I am not 'most people'

 

[Alethea Dice]

Apparently 2009 of the Yukon. And apparently DM still had that Yukon at the time of TB's murder. Do you know when the one of MB's residence was taken? I speculate that Bobcat was the one that was moved out to the farmland after its purchase. The Bobcat LE hauled away on a flat bed after TB's charred remains were found there. Was that one of DM's toys and maybe one of the reasons why WM agreed upon DM purchasing the farmland? He got sick of DM cluttering up his yard with such toys? Was he hoping DM would get moving to build that dream house, grow up and get out of his house? Just speculating and MOO.

If you click on Kamille's link, you will see that the photo of MB's place was taken in July 2009. HTH

 

[Kamille]

With a population of about 94,000, and apparently enough people to support 9 drinking establishments, I'm not sure how "small town" I would call it.

http://www.brantford.ca/business/InvestInBrantford/Pages/default.aspx

Followed closely by who? The SUV that was not seen on the video from where the cell phone was found?



http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2013/05/14/tim-bosma-dead-hamilton-police_n_3272365.html

Used to live in a small town that size. Actually a bit larger. Several drinking establishments on the Main Street and I worked in the only convenience store. Only business open after 6pm other than the restaurant/bars. But definitely a ghost town on a Monday night at 10pm. You could pretty much count the vehicles driving by on one hand during any 15 minute interval.

I think you snipped that quote too much and it should read...

Police are also looking for at least one more person, as video evidence shows another vehicle following Bosma's pickup truck when he left on the test drive, Kavanagh said.

"We do not know at this time how many people were in that second vehicle. So right now we're looking at least three, possibly more.''

Bosma's cellphone was found three days later in an industrial area of neighbouring city of Brantford.

However, "no other vehicle'' can be seen on surveillance video in that area, Kavanagh said.

It could mean that when the truck left the area of TB's home it had another vehicle following it. However when it was picked up on video in the Brantford area it did not. Hard to distinguish if they are referring to the industrial area only or the Brantford area in general. But you are correct. My last "maybe" has been debunked that no video surveillance in downtown Brantford appears to have caught a trailing vehicle. Unless of course they are only talking about the industrial area with regards to no other vehicle trailing. As usual with MSM, it's as clear as mud.

MOO

 

[cansleuther]

... are you sure this is from 2009?

 

[Alethea Dice]

<rsbm>

You are correct that a picture will be what is required to validate what the witnesses saw. Witnesses are everyday people who don't necessarily use the same terminology.

I drive a Jeep Grand Cherokee which is technically a mid-size SUV and which I refer to as "the Jeep". I would never refer to it as "the truck" or "the SUV". My friends generally refer to it as "the truck. I've never had anyone call it "the SUV".

While the Yukon is actually a full-size SUV, I would call it a truck due to its size. I'll wager that most folks would call it "the Yukon" or "the truck" ... not "the SUV".

Swedie posted a perfect example of how unreliable eye witnesses can be earlier today. Post #830.

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?210691-Millard-Properties-Locations-and-Ownership&p=11668280#post11668280

FWIW, I would call a pick-up a truck, and an SUV an SUV, especially if I was a witness. And I would call something like this a Jeep.

http://images.chryslercanada.ca/imagesAS/iof.php?width=280&year=2014&image=CC14_JKJL72_23B_PX8_APA_XXX_XXX_XXX.png