Millard Properties: Locations and Ownership

[swedie]

Woah! One member and 15 guests right now. Come aboard folks :seeya:

17 now!

 

[Sillybilly]

Just a thought on both MS and DM being charged with LB's murder ... if one of them killed her at the behest of / on the instruction of the other, would explain both being charged with her murder. IF that is the situation, then I would expect that DM (who definitely knew LB) would be the one to have arranged it, and MS the flunky who carried it out. Don't see it happening the other way around.

 

[Sillybilly]

This is the thread for Millard Properties, perhaps if this is what some members really believe, we should start a new thread to discuss theories about MS being an innocent dupe.

I've set up the new MS Innocent Dupe thread here:

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?277259-Mark-Smich-Innocent-Dupe-Alternative-Theories

 

[Alethea Dice]

Do you have links stating that the rave was chaperoned? That it was also the birthday party? That security was provided?

I didn't suggest he supplied drugs at the parties. Another poster suggested that may have been his connection to MS.

Allowing people to bring and do drugs in your home is illegal, even more so if you're supplying them. Serving drugs and/or alcohol to minors in your home is illegal. Allowing guests to drive home drunk after drinking in your home is illegal. You are responsible for what goes on in your own home.

Do we know when he first met CN and where?

Handguns are illegal. I was proving that he bought a handgun. I was asked if the gun fit the holster. I have no idea but I assume it was intended to. But that doesn't make the gun any less illegal if it didn't. He likely did not buy the holster for his Xbox controller. Or maybe he did. But he also bought a handgun. And that is illegal.

MOO

Just to clarify, I did not suggest that supplying drugs at parties was DM's connection to MS. Merely that some here think he was and if that's what LB was looking for, maybe MS is where he got them from.

I don't think buying a holster proves anyone bought a gun, and that was my point. If you don't even know what kind of gun he is alleged to have purchased, how does a holster prove anything? It also hasn't yet been proven that he even did, in fact, buy a handgun or any other kind of gun. At this stage, it is still only alleged.

JMO

 

[Alethea Dice]

And I assume you feel the same about DM's 3 murder charges?

Of course I do. Just because I don't unwaveringly believe that LE never makes mistakes, doesn't mean I believe they charge someone with absolutely no evidence.

 

[Alethea Dice]

BBM - Do you have a link, I don't recall MWJ being a frequent visitor to MS's house. TIA.

And finally, one last piece of information about how Matthew Ward-Jackson is connected to Dellen Millard. Friends of Iish and Mark Smich tell me that Iish often hung at Smich’s place. They were on good enough terms that Iish would even comment on one of Smich’s sister’s Instagram accounts and interacted on Facebook with Smich’s BFF, Cora.

http://www.annrbrocklehurst.com/2014/11/matthew-ward-jackson-aka-big-iish-not-guilty-of-coke-trafficking-still-faces-millard-related-weapons-charges.html

HTH

 

[Alethea Dice]

Did he have a job? Link please and TIA.

Maybe, lots of people do. I have reason to believe it's a good possibility. Or do you have a link saying he didn't? TIA if you do.

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[SnooperDuper]

The hangar deal closed yesterday - I wonder what it went for?

 

[SnooperDuper]

Here's a current summary of the detail in this thread...I updated the hangar price to the cost reported in the news, $9.5M. Wonder how this is all going to add up. Since TB's murder, DM has sold $6M in property, plus the hangar (and MB's house)

 

[SnooperDuper]

Theory on why DM is having a hard time retaining DP and RP:

Bank wants their money back on the hangar. Now. The family coffers have run dry. DM is forced to sell off $6M in property to cover what's owed on the hangar. Now, what he gets for the hangar is his everything. However, there's that one small detail: the hangar still had WM on the title, and DM is alleged to have killed WM, and so can't inherit from him. In the end, DM nets 1/2 the value of the hangar out of a family fortune that used to be 8 digits large. That's if DM was on the title too, otherwise he's going to be speed-dialing Legal Aid soon.

Real estate rich, cash poor, just makes you so frustrated that you could go out and steal a truck.

 

[SnooperDuper]

So the hangar cost $9.5M, plus the payroll of all those high priced aeronautics consultants, and then later on, regular staff...for how long?

Then Dellen began asking Mr. Sharif about the value of the company and why his 71-year-old father, Wayne Millard, should continue to fund a venture whose costs already far exceeded the original estimates. “He advised [me] that the family coffers were running low and that he was very apprehensive to keep pouring money into the facility,”

To dismantle the business before things really got underway and plans came to fruition could mean getting back just 20 cents for every dollar invested.

http://news.nationalpost.com/news/m...-bosma-murder-suspect-started-to-dismantle-it

DM was advised he could turn $9.5M into $2M. IS that what happened?

 

[Juballee]

As far as I know, when the new lease was signed, as well as when several of those properties went up for sale, MB was the one in charge of it, was she not? I don't think those are DM's decisions anymore, in fact, I think DM saw that it was a losing proposition long before it sold, as evidenced by the conversation with AS. How many businesses fail within the first few years, and how many pennies on the dollar do they get back? My point is that this stuff happens. It's easy to play armchair analyst, but without any real information about the myriad aspects of the actual business, it is impossible to accurately second guess, in my opinion.

 

[SnooperDuper]

As far as I know, when the new lease was signed, as well as when several of those properties went up for sale, MB was the one in charge of it, was she not? I don't think those are DM's decisions anymore, in fact, I think DM saw that it was a losing proposition long before it sold, as evidenced by the conversation with AS. How many businesses fail within the first few years, and how many pennies on the dollar do they get back? My point is that this stuff happens. It's easy to play armchair analyst, but without any real information about the myriad aspects of the actual business, it is impossible to accurately second guess, in my opinion.

It just took 2 years for the devastation of the M's fortunes that WM set in place to unfold.

It's clear the business failed big time, and that would make anyone feel poor.

So it goes towards motive...if DM had to live through this liquidation regardless of whether he was in jail or not, he certainly experienced a great reduction in wealth.

Perhaps that is why they guy decided to live like a gangster. He had no real life skills or meaningful post secondary education and his money was draining away.

 

[Juballee]

I must have missed the part about how DM lived like a gangster, was it his clothes, or his hairstyle or his rap career, perhaps the pictures from his Instagram account and the gang signs in all his pictures? Maybe some of his tattoos are gang tattoos? Wasn't he in a rap video? Oh, no, wait, that was MS.

Just because we haven't seen his diplomas doesn't mean that DM has no meaningful education or skills, in my opinion. To me that is the same as saying that everyone who doesn't have a post secondary education may also have questionable life skills and are therefore far more likely to be a killer, and probably listen to rap, too.

I imagine that everyone who has ever had a declining business are more likely to murder, if it goes towards motive.

I've heard a lot of motives here lately that really make me question everyone in my life, since apparently losing a business, or buying a condo, or having a vehicle that may need repairs, or having a deceased parent have all been said to go towards DM's apparent motive lately. At least one of those motives could be attributed to almost every single person I know, all my neighbours too, so who can I trust not to kill me now?

I guess it's all a matter of opinion when it comes to speculations.

 

[swedie]

Here's a current summary of the detail in this thread...I updated the hangar price to the cost reported in the news, $9.5M. Wonder how this is all going to add up. Since TB's murder, DM has sold $6M in property, plus the hangar (and MB's house)
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BAM! Right out of the gate DM's assets were uncovered and gone over with a fine tooth comb. I don't think anyone has to worry about anything nefarious going on. DM may have tried but because he made those three transfers within days of his arrest, the spotlight shone very brightly on all his assets and every move is being scrutinized. Can we really believe a word out of DP's mouth? MOO.

DM may end up with many more charges or lawsuits against him. TWT and MOO.

On May 17, Millard transferred three properties to Burns, just days after his arrest in the murder of the Hamilton man. Eight legal experts reviewed the transfer documents for the Star and all said it raised concerns about Millard’s intentions, saying the timing of the property dump was “highly unusual” and poses serious legal questions.

“There is nothing nefarious about these real estate deals,” responded Deepak Paradkar, Millard’s criminal lawyer. “He’s not afraid of civil action and he’s not trying to liquidate or hide his assets.”
Protecting his assets from future lawsuits was among the potential motivations, lawyers told the Star in May, and reiterated by two lawyers Friday.

http://www.thestar.com/news/crime/2..._mother_sells_family_home_for_12_million.html

Legal experts told the Star in May that there may be a case to be made against Millard under the provincial Fraudulent Conveyances Act.

The act clearly states that the transfer of property to “defeat, hinder, delay or defraud creditors or others of their just and lawful actions” — including suits or damages — is void if not done in “good faith” or with knowledge of such action against them.

Protecting assets is easier once those assets become cash, Ullman said.

 

[Kamille]

I must have missed the part about how DM lived like a gangster, was it his clothes, or his hairstyle or his rap career, perhaps the pictures from his Instagram account and the gang signs in all his pictures? Maybe some of his tattoos are gang tattoos? Wasn't he in a rap video? Oh, no, wait, that was MS.

Just because we haven't seen his diplomas doesn't mean that DM has no meaningful education or skills, in my opinion. To me that is the same as saying that everyone who doesn't have a post secondary education may also have questionable life skills and are therefore far more likely to be a killer, and probably listen to rap, too.

I imagine that everyone who has ever had a declining business are more likely to murder, if it goes towards motive.

I've heard a lot of motives here lately that really make me question everyone in my life, since apparently losing a business, or buying a condo, or having a vehicle that may need repairs, or having a deceased parent have all been said to go towards DM's apparent motive lately. At least one of those motives could be attributed to almost every single person I know, all my neighbours too, so who can I trust not to kill me now?

I guess it's all a matter of opinion when it comes to speculations.

BBM

The one who doesn't have a dead body in an incinerator on their property. :dunno:

MOO

 

[swedie]

I must have missed the part about how DM lived like a gangster, was it his clothes, or his hairstyle or his rap career, perhaps the pictures from his Instagram account and the gang signs in all his pictures? Maybe some of his tattoos are gang tattoos? Wasn't he in a rap video? Oh, no, wait, that was MS.

Just because we haven't seen his diplomas doesn't mean that DM has no meaningful education or skills, in my opinion. To me that is the same as saying that everyone who doesn't have a post secondary education may also have questionable life skills and are therefore far more likely to be a killer, and probably listen to rap, too.

I imagine that everyone who has ever had a declining business are more likely to murder, if it goes towards motive.

I've heard a lot of motives here lately that really make me question everyone in my life, since apparently losing a business, or buying a condo, or having a vehicle that may need repairs, or having a deceased parent have all been said to go towards DM's apparent motive lately. At least one of those motives could be attributed to almost every single person I know, all my neighbours too, so who can I trust not to kill me now?

I guess it's all a matter of opinion when it comes to speculations.

Do we need to see DM's diplomas? Would those be proof he is not a murderer? What do meaningful education or skills have to do with the fact he is charged with three murders?

BBM - Did DM decline business? Absolutely and in a huge way, most definitely, yes. It declined on that huge slippery slope which was DMs doing, right after his father's alleged murder.

UBM - You're seeking advice? ....trust no one. HTH. Obviously TB was too trusting and look what happened to him. WM was enjoy his life whatever he was doing and look what happened to him at the hands of his own flesh and blood. Sheesh if you cannot trust the people you love dearly and your own flesh and blood, I wouldn't be too trusting of anyone, but that's JMHO.

 

[SnooperDuper]

I must have missed the part about how DM lived like a gangster, was it his clothes, or his hairstyle or his rap career, perhaps the pictures from his Instagram account and the gang signs in all his pictures? Maybe some of his tattoos are gang tattoos? Wasn't he in a rap video? Oh, no, wait, that was MS.

Simply that he stole a truck and killed for it, because his fortune had been blown by WM's failed attempt at founding an MRO company.

Just because we haven't seen his diplomas doesn't mean that DM has no meaningful education or skills, in my opinion. To me that is the same as saying that everyone who doesn't have a post secondary education may also have questionable life skills and are therefore far more likely to be a killer, and probably listen to rap, too.

I mean that the guy didn't have a skill that would pay him to keep the standard of living he enjoyed, in the face of the family's losses.

I imagine that everyone who has ever had a declining business are more likely to murder, if it goes towards motive.

Yes, sadly even recently in the case of AL in Calgary, when a business fails, other people tend not to be amused if they have lost money. DM lost a lot of money at WM's hands it seems and AL lost even less in order to lose his own life, that of his wife and grandson.

I've heard a lot of motives here lately that really make me question everyone in my life, since apparently losing a business, or buying a condo, or having a vehicle that may need repairs, or having a deceased parent have all been said to go towards DM's apparent motive lately. At least one of those motives could be attributed to almost every single person I know, all my neighbours too, so who can I trust not to kill me now?

I guess it's all a matter of opinion when it comes to speculations.

 

[Juballee]

Simply that he stole a truck and killed for it, because his fortune had been blown by WM's failed attempt at founding an MRO company.



I mean that the guy didn't have a skill that would pay him to keep the standard of living he enjoyed, in the face of the family's losses.



Yes, sadly even recently in the case of AL in Calgary, when a business fails, other people tend not to be amused if they have lost money. DM lost a lot of money at WM's hands it seems and AL lost even less in order to lose his own life, that of his wife and grandson.

I didn't know that was a gangster thing, to come from money but have your parents somehow blow your fortune with their misguided investments. I thought most gangsters came from poor families and bad neighbourhoods, that was part of what gave them their street credentials. In my opinion, coming from a wealthy family is not how gangsters live, and not why they might steal or kill, in my opinion this is not a valid reason to say someone lived a gangster lifestyle. Again, if anyone lived the 'gangster life' in this saga, it would be MS and MWJ, in my opinion.

His standard of living as far as we know involved him living in a home that was paid for and driving used vehicles, what kind of job do you need to cover that? Again, we have no idea what his actual skill sets were, so it is hard to judge anyone in that regard in my opinion, everyone is useful in their own way. How many housewives had to hear that they had no work skills before society started to realize that it was as difficult and skill intensive as having 5-10 jobs?

I don't know who AL is, but I imagine that a lot more people experience declining business who do not commit murder, than do. I don't think that can be really used as a common precursor to murder, in my opinion.

 

[swedie]

WM's over budget bank loans and DM's liquidated MA's assets, was that enough to purchase the $627K condo May 7, 2013? Proceeds of crime? Part of WM's estate DM is not entitled to now?

If financial forensics were to look back through WM's financial/banking information, and found WM actually funded the money for the farmland property, but the deed was in DM's name, could that money/land be considered part of WM's estate? Something done in good faith? Were both WM's and DM's names on the deed? MsSherlock can you answer this please?

DP has not been retained yet by DM...why? There's no money left to continue paying DP? Could this be why the trial was moved from the fall of 2015, to the spring of 2016? MB with her lawyer and forensics still going over financial issues, settling debts and whatnot? Could that be why the hangar was finally sold? More money needed to pay off debts? I suspect DM will be appointed legal aid soon, TWT. Could we be looking at fall of 2016, before this case heads to trial? Or might we see a guilty plea? ALL MOO.

When things went over budget, bank loans provided funding for the tools and staff needed to obtain key Transport Canada certification, which came through on November 1, 2012, just before Wayne’s death.

To dismantle the business before things really got underway and plans came to fruition could mean getting back just 20 cents for every dollar invested.

Yet that’s exactly what Dellen, Wayne’s sole heir, did when his father died suddenly. Mr. Sharif and the Millardair team were told that Wayne had died of a brain aneurysm. Within days, employees were laid off and Dellen moved quickly to begin liquidating assets.

http://news.nationalpost.com/news/m...-bosma-murder-suspect-started-to-dismantle-it