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[Nuisanceposter]

Apparently there was a perfect lip print on the duct tape. This means she was either dead or unconscious when it was applied and she did not regain consciousness after it was applied. This is one of the reasons why we know the crime scene was "staged". Why put a duct tape gag on a dead/unconscious person who can no longer scream?

Exactly...if that tape had been over JonBenet's mouth when she was conscious and/or alive, it would have marks on it that show her struggling against it. Not only that, but there was bloody mucus from her nose and/or mouth on it, indicating further that it had been applied after she had died or was unconscious. Whoever put that tape on there knew she wasn't going to wake up and begin screaming - it was put there for staging, to look like she'd had her mouth taped during the assault. And if you want to prevent someone from screaming, you don't use tape that had already been used elsewhere - it won't adhere enough.

 

[Ames]

Apparently there was a perfect lip print on the duct tape. This means she was either dead or unconscious when it was applied and she did not regain consciousness after it was applied. This is one of the reasons why we know the crime scene was "staged". Why put a duct tape gag on a dead/unconscious person who can no longer scream?

I KNEW that....I had just forgotten about it. (Geesh...I am losing my memory). Thanks for reminding me of it! BTW....this will probably sound like a stupid question, because I am kinda new here...but, do you post on FFJ? If so, I go there alot to lurk, because they have shut down registration for some reason, and do not know when it will reopen, they just told me to keep checking back. I want to join so bad, though. I enjoy reading your posts on that site, too. (I am pretty sure that you are the same poster).

 

[Ames]

Exactly...if that tape had been over JonBenet's mouth when she was conscious and/or alive, it would have marks on it that show her struggling against it. Not only that, but there was bloody mucus from her nose and/or mouth on it, indicating further that it had been applied after she had died or was unconscious. Whoever put that tape on there knew she wasn't going to wake up and begin screaming - it was put there for staging, to look like she'd had her mouth taped during the assault. And if you want to prevent someone from screaming, you don't use tape that had already been used elsewhere - it won't adhere enough.

I think that the tape came from either her AG doll, or one of Patsy's paintings. If the tape was applied to her, while she was still in her bedroom, or near it....it was probably from one of her dolls, if it was applied in the basement, then it probably came from one of Patsy's paintings. Who knows....with PP carting everything out of there, from dolls to paintings....to everything but the kitchen sink, there is no telling where that tape had been previously. I thought that the fact that a duplicate of one of JB's AG dolls had been sent to John's office, was very strange (that leads me to believe that the tape most likely came from a doll, and that the Ramsey's were replacing that same doll with an identical one, because they thought that it may somehow be tested.....if the police ever found out that PP carted it out...and they demanded her to turn it over to them.)

 

[Jayelles]

I KNEW that....I had just forgotten about it. (Geesh...I am losing my memory). Thanks for reminding me of it! BTW....this will probably sound like a stupid question, because I am kinda new here...but, do you post on FFJ? If so, I go there alot to lurk, because they have shut down registration for some reason, and do not know when it will reopen, they just told me to keep checking back. I want to join so bad, though. I enjoy reading your posts on that site, too. (I am pretty sure that you are the same poster).

Yes that is me. FFJ has a wonderful bunch of thoroughly dedicated members. We don't all agree about the Ramsey case, but I am constantly amazed at how proactive the FFJ members are in finding justice for Jonbenet - they've never lost sight of the child.

I don't know anything about memberships. I know they only open it from time to time unlike here.

 

[Jayelles]

So was the killer - in your opinion - a "he?"

Not necessarily. It is only the foreign, degraded DNA which suggests this crime was committed by a male and we know the DNA might not be the killer's. Tak away the DAN and there is nothing about this crime which could not have been done by an adult female.

 

[Ames]

Yes that is me. FFJ has a wonderful bunch of thoroughly dedicated members. We don't all agree about the Ramsey case, but I am constantly amazed at how proactive the FFJ members are in finding justice for Jonbenet - they've never lost sight of the child.

I don't know anything about memberships. I know they only open it from time to time unlike here.

"Big Bloomies"...now that sure was an eye opener. I had never thought about how large size 12 panties would be on a child who normally wore a 6 or 8, until I saw the "model" with them on. I believe that the killer (Patsy..IMO)...or the helper (John...IMO) put those big panties on her, because they were the only unopened pack of panties....without stains, or dna.

 

[Ames]

Not necessarily. It is only the foreign, degraded DNA which suggests this crime was committed by a male and we know the DNA might not be the killer's. Tak away the DAN and there is nothing about this crime which could not have been done by an adult female.

Patsy, for example???

 

[Nuisanceposter]

"Big Bloomies"...now that sure was an eye opener. I had never thought about how large size 12 panties would be on a child who normally wore a 6 or 8, until I saw the "model" with them on. I believe that the killer (Patsy..IMO)...or the helper (John...IMO) put those big panties on her, because they were the only unopened pack of panties....without stains, or dna.

Same here. I had an idea of how big they'd be, but once I saw the model with both pairs on, I was taken aback. There is no way JonBenet would have chosen to wear such huge undies, and the fact she'd never worn a pair of them before the night she was dressed in a pair of them backs that up. She had an opportunity daily to wear those undies (if Patsy can be believed), and yet she never took that daily opportunity to wear them until the night she was killed.....

That was a brilliant demonstration, Jayelles, and I link people to that thread on other boards as often as the subject of the undies comes up. I also stopped using the P word when discussing the undies out of respect for your dislike of it. Anyone who devotes that amount of time and effort into trying to figure out what happened to a little girl deserves some respect.

 

[Solace]

Yes that is me. FFJ has a wonderful bunch of thoroughly dedicated members. We don't all agree about the Ramsey case, but I am constantly amazed at how proactive the FFJ members are in finding justice for Jonbenet - they've never lost sight of the child.

I don't know anything about memberships. I know they only open it from time to time unlike here.

Hi, I am also a member, but of late they are saying I am not registered and to contact someone there. Cannot take the time. But I am having a problem with posting also.

 

[snowqueen]

Patsy, for example???

Or other females?????

Since we aren't supposed to name names unless they have been identified as a suspect, I won't.

 

[Jayelles]

Patsy, for example???

No I don't think Patsy did this. I do however think that John led her by the nose in keeping to a certain story which would ensure that certain lines of investigation would not be pursued.

 

[snowqueen]

No I don't think Patsy did this. I do however think that John led her by the nose in keeping to a certain story which would ensure that certain lines of investigation would not be pursued.

Since John has been named a suspect, can you tell us more? What lines of investigation did he not want to be pursued?

 

[Solace]

Since John has been named a suspect, can you tell us more? What lines of investigation did he not want to be pursued?

Probably the investigation into JonBenet being molested.

 

[Jayelles]

Since John has been named a suspect, can you tell us more? What lines of investigation did he not want to be pursued?

Little things like "she was fast asleep and didn't wake up when we put her to bed" - that would eliminate a lot of questions regarding their activities when they got home. "Burke was asleep in the morning" - would save Burke being interviewed.

I think John Ramsey "decided" that the police should not be wasting time interviewing the Ramseys and therefore, if they all kept to a slimmed down version of the facts, then the police would accept it and move on. Except that they didn't. The facts don't support the Ramsey version of events - little things like the pineapple, Burke claiming JonBenet was awake when she got home, Burke later admitting he was awake, the possibility of Burke's voice being on the 911 tape...

 

[snowqueen]

The pineapple is a puzzler, but I keep thinking that maybe JonBenet ate it right before they left for the Whites .....and maybe she didn't eat anything at the Whites. Have you ever heard "heard" that she actually ate any of the plate Priscilla fixed for her?

The Ramseys did not know that Burke was awake in the morning until after he testified before the GJ and that was what - late 1998?

I think it has been disproven that Burke could be heard on the 911 tape (by the FBI, I believe.)

With regard to JonBenet being awake when they got home, Steve Thomas wrote in his book that he believed Burke was "confused."

I can't get my mind around John saying he read to JonBenet (I think I read that in Perfect Murder/Perfect Town) or Patsy singing to her. Do you remember where you read about this?

 

[snowqueen]

Little things like "she was fast asleep and didn't wake up when we put her to bed" - that would eliminate a lot of questions regarding their activities when they got home. "Burke was asleep in the morning" - would save Burke being interviewed.

I think John Ramsey "decided" that the police should not be wasting time interviewing the Ramseys and therefore, if they all kept to a slimmed down version of the facts, then the police would accept it and move on. Except that they didn't. The facts don't support the Ramsey version of events - little things like the pineapple, Burke claiming JonBenet was awake when she got home, Burke later admitting he was awake, the possibility of Burke's voice being on the 911 tape...

I responded above on what I thought I read rather than what you actually posted. I do understand what you are saying.

 

[Jayelles]

The pineapple is a puzzler, but I keep thinking that maybe JonBenet ate it right before they left for the Whites .....and maybe she didn't eat anything at the Whites. Have you ever heard "heard" that she actually ate any of the plate Priscilla fixed for her?

No

The Ramseys did not know that Burke was awake in the morning until after he testified before the GJ and that was what - late 1998?

So they claimed. That does not make it a fact. I believe they lied about this.

I think it has been disproven that Burke could be heard on the 911 tape (by the FBI, I believe.)

Not so. There is a detailed summary of the 911 tape testing on this forum. The FBI found nothing it is true, but they were known not to have sophisticated equipment. The FBI often use outside agencies - like Aerospace for example because they have state of the art equipment. The tape has been tested by several agencies. The results vary. At least three agencies agree there are voices at the end. Aerospace is the agency behind the controversy but ask yourself this - after the 911 tape (unenhanced) was released, there was a tv show about it and Lin Wood phoned in. He was asked "why" it was thought Burke and JOhn's voices were at the end of the tape and Wood replied he didn't know. He then proceeded to name some agencies who had tested the tape - and omitted Aerospace!

With regard to JonBenet being awake when they got home, Steve Thomas wrote in his book that he believed Burke was "confused."

he did?

I can't get my mind around John saying he read to JonBenet (I think I read that in Perfect Murder/Perfect Town) or Patsy singing to her. Do you remember where you read about this?

No. I didn't say John claimed to have read to Jonbenet.

 

[Jayelles]

This is a cracker! (from Topix)

Person 1: There's a big difference between a confessed pedophile who breaks into a house with intent and an overwrought parent. If the parents are involved, it did NOT have to be premeditated. An accidental death with subsequent staging is not premeditated.

Person 2: The ransom note makes it premeditated....

If JBR was killed accidentally and the killer wrote the ransom note to throw everyone off the scent - how does that turn it into a premeditated crime?

 

[IrishMist]

The pineapple is a puzzler, but I keep thinking that maybe JonBenet ate it right before they left for the Whites .....and maybe she didn't eat anything at the Whites. Have you ever heard "heard" that she actually ate any of the plate Priscilla fixed for her?

The Ramseys did not know that Burke was awake in the morning until after he testified before the GJ and that was what - late 1998?

I think it has been disproven that Burke could be heard on the 911 tape (by the FBI, I believe.)

With regard to JonBenet being awake when they got home, Steve Thomas wrote in his book that he believed Burke was "confused."

I can't get my mind around John saying he read to JonBenet (I think I read that in Perfect Murder/Perfect Town) or Patsy singing to her. Do you remember where you read about this?

I'm thinking there was something further up in her system that was consistent with crab. I'm not by my books and notes, and if someone else doesn't answer it first, I'll look when I can.

 

[Ames]

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I also stopped using the P word when discussing the undies out of respect for your dislike of it. Anyone who devotes that amount of time and effort into trying to figure out what happened to a little girl deserves some respect.

I wouldn't have used the P word (I am assuming that the P word refers to JB's mother)....if I had of known that Janelle didn't think that P was involved. (Sorry about that Janelle)....I agree with Nuisanceposter, you deserve alot of respect for the time and the effort (and I am sure that it was ALOT)...that you put into making the model, to prove to those unbelievers out there, just HOW big those bloomies would have been on JB.