Missing 8 mth pregnant Marine Maria Frances Lauterbach- NC #7

[KOOL LOOK]

10:00 p.m. eastern time for cnn anderson cooper interview with former co-workers of maria and laurean.

Thanks to the poster giving us the link to more information on christina.

 

[KOOL LOOK]

And as far as Maria being punched in the face, do you have a link that says she reported that, because I understood that she didn't report it except to her family.


The reporting marine during the military timeline news presser yesterday did give an accounting of the report by Maria. He gave a description of the assailant as a tall white male dressed in black and he didn't fit laureans description.

 

[ceeaura]

I wonder if LE announces that have arrested Xtina if that would bring the out of hiding?

Seeing as he left her there to deal with everything I doubt he would.Just thinking if they were both involved and this was the plan ,for him to take the heat by running ect if that would influence him to come back/be found so he could say it was all him that she had nothing to do with it.

 

[KOOL LOOK]

I wonder if LE announces that have arrested Xtina if that would bring the out of hiding?

Seeing as he left her there to deal with everything I doubt he would.Just thinking if they were both involved and this was the plan ,for him to take the heat by running ect if that would influence him to come back/be found so he could say it was all him that she had nothing to do with it.

For some reason I think he's got way too much support to turn himself in. Between he and xtina, their families, co-workers, friends and the military brass portraying maria as they have, they've convinced people she left on her own accord, laurean buried her after suicide, or now that the autopsy states blunt for trauma, they've convinced some she deserved it or she attacked first. Possibly that's why she was there at their house to begin with.

Self Defense plea, I can hear it now. She came over to confront Laurean and xtina, possibly threatened them and their child, and she had a weapon and they only defended themselves. Twisst turn lie.

 

[JDB]

I knew I read this somewhere Maria's due date was mid Feb. I read somewhere the 15th
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,322285,00.html
In court papers filed this week, prosecutors said the anticipated birth of the baby "might provide evidentiary credence to charges she lodged with military authorities that she was sexually assaulted." Lauterbach reported the rape in April and was due to give birth in mid-February, authorities said.

 

[kathyn2]

Turn on Headline News!

 

[kathyn2]

They just played the interview from the military gal that issued the 2nd warrant for Laurean to stay away from Maria.

 

[STEADFAST]

And as far as Maria being punched in the face, do you have a link that says she reported that, because I understood that she didn't report it except to her family.


The reporting marine during the military timeline news presser yesterday did give an accounting of the report by Maria. He gave a description of the assailant as a tall white male dressed in black and he didn't fit laureans description.

Thanks for the info.

I thought you said they didn't mention the assault in the timeline. But I went back and saw that you just asked what they did about it. I assume they investigated/are investigating it. If you could see how many people end up in the brig for this kind of thing and MUCH LESS you would not think that the military doesn't go after assailants, rapists, murderers, etc.

Plus, they've got to rot in pretrial detention with no possibility of bail from first suspicion until their court martial or civilian trial is adjudicated IF the CO of their unit says so, even if the prosecutors aren't asking for the pretrial detention.

So where was Laurean's CO and where was the First Sergeant of the unit? Writing up glowing reports on what a stellar Marine Laurean was? If they'd spotted him for the s**tbag that he is, he would have been in the brig since Maria's first rape report.

 

[SeriouslySearching]

Sooo...I hear wifey got a couple of his letters from Houston already and he is supposedly in Mexico. Great! Does this mean the report of him being in Shreveport could have been correct then? It is going to be difficult to find him now and the DP could be off the table to get him back. (Altho one of the talking heads said that the military CAN still go after him technically speaking and they have no treaty which could mean the DP could still be used.)

Very sad situation for Maria's family. Where is the justice?

 

[TGIRecovered]

One of my thoughts on this? IMO she was raped...more than once probably..If it was consensual so the hell what...BUT - Remember he DENIED ANY TYPE of involvement with her. Sooooo - when the military requested DNA after Gabriel's birth - well if he knew he was the daddy or the possibility was there...Now didn't he kind of perjur himself and could be brought up on charges of that as well as everything else?

(Run with me here) Dna says he's the daddy, he says he never had sex with her - so what'd she do, break into their house, and steal a used condom to impregnate herself?

I think that may be one scenario that explains what has occurred, not saying it's correct, right or giving the an excuse. Just saying maybe it's one scenario that answers why everything went as far as it did even after she supposedly recanted.

Good thinking, Jinxie! I think this is very likely scenerio.

Susan

 

[Jaded]

One of my thoughts on this? IMO she was raped...more than once probably..If it was consensual so the hell what...BUT - Remember he DENIED ANY TYPE of involvement with her. Sooooo - when the military requested DNA after Gabriel's birth - well if he knew he was the daddy or the possibility was there...Now didn't he kind of perjur himself and could be brought up on charges of that as well as everything else?

(Run with me here) Dna says he's the daddy, he says he never had sex with her - so what'd she do, break into their house, and steal a used condom to impregnate herself?

I think that may be one scenario that explains what has occurred, not saying it's correct, right or giving the an excuse. Just saying maybe it's one scenario that answers why everything went as far as it did even after she supposedly recanted.

He was also facing an adultery charge if it was found that the child was his. Consensual or not, and even if she withdrew the rape allegation, the Marine Corps probably would have charged him with adultery, so either way he was getting a charge out of the situation. They are really strict when it comes to adultery charges. Most guys will lose rank, get office hours and lose a significant amount of pay.

 

[Ticamom]

Thanks for the info.

I thought you said they didn't mention the assault in the timeline. But I went back and saw that you just asked what they did about it. I assume they investigated/are investigating it. If you could see how many people end up in the brig for this kind of thing and MUCH LESS you would not think that the military doesn't go after assailants, rapists, murderers, etc.

Plus, they've got to rot in pretrial detention with no possibility of bail from first suspicion until their court martial or civilian trial is adjudicated IF the CO of their unit says so, even if the prosecutors aren't asking for the pretrial detention.

So where was Laurean's CO and where was the First Sergeant of the unit? Writing up glowing reports on what a stellar Marine Laurean was? If they'd spotted him for the s**tbag that he is, he would have been in the brig since Maria's first rape report.

I keep thinking about this very thing and I can't for the life of me understand how the CO and First sergeant totally discredited marias allegations while they believed ' denial of the rapes. I hope to God that these two people will be severly sanctioned for their reckless and heartless attitude . They had the ability to protect Maria and they failed her horribly.They could have prevent her and Gabriel's deaths if they had only detained as they were supposed to do.

 

[murdershewrote]

I say send in Dog Chapman...he'll find him, just like he found the other rapist.

 

[STEADFAST]

I keep thinking about this very thing and I can't for the life of me understand how the CO and First sergeant totally discredited marias allegations while they believed ' denial of the rapes. I hope to God that these two people will be severly sanctioned for their reckless and heartless attitude . They had the ability to protect Maria and they failed her horribly.They could have prevent her and Gabriel's deaths if they had only detained as they were supposed to do.

They were the ones who were responsible for knowing these soldiers and understanding the situation and doing what needed to be done to protect Maria. Their judgment of the situation was relied on. Oh, and her sexual assault advocate should have made sure that the unit wasn't letting her down by going above their heads if necessary. It seems to me like, above her unit level, things were proceeding the way they should considering the information that was available.

 

[SuziQ]

Steadfast. I agree, I think the problems were at unit level. Big, big problems at unit level.

 

[Seven]

The Mexicans don't care about our military and whether someone is a deserter.

Would they try to stop military investigators from locating the and apprehending him?

By the time Laurean left, declaring him a deserter was sort of trumped by declaring him a murder suspect. The local LE has jurisdictional priority in the murder investigation.

I was thinking more along the lines that the military could do their part to apprehend him ~~ but I now see where you point out the military doesn't do that.

And as far as Maria being punched in the face, do you have a link that says she reported that, because I understood that she didn't report it except to her family.

No. I just heard the question asked at the presser yesterday, with the answer (from the NCIS) being that both incidents had occurred on the base.

I don't think this was a case of widespread anti-female feelings by the powers that be at Camp LeJeune. The Commanding Officer of the base is a woman, as are many of the top leaders. But I do think there was a problem in Maria and Laurean's unit. A big problem.

It may not be a gender thing. I just think she represented a fly in their ointment that they hoped would simply fly away.

 

[peace9274]

Originally Posted by norcalsleuth
"..... She said she was going to drop the rape charges because no one believed her. Maria asked her for a copy of the expired order for CL to keep away from her and asked her to write her up a new one. This woman claims she personally wrote a new restraining order for Maria and it was processed and approved before she left the Marines a month ago.... "

During the long presser yesterday afternoon, one of the Marines said that one of the times Maria and had consensual sex (rape?), it happened where they worked.

Who told the Marines this?

If they knew about it before the murder, what good was the protective order?
If they found out about it afterwards, who gave them this piece of info?

Did he say that Maria told them or that did?

There's just too many conflicting stories.

 

[STEADFAST]

Would they try to stop military investigators from locating the and apprehending him?

I believe they would be more likely to stop U.S. military personnel from entering their country to apprehend him than they would civilian. I'm not even sure the military CAN enter a country and apprehend anybody legally.
But, on the other hand, NCIS, the investigative agency for the Navy and Marine Corps is a civilian agency.

 

[Ticamom]

During the long presser yesterday afternoon, one of the Marines said that one of the times Maria and had consensual sex (rape?), it happened where they worked.

Who told the Marines this?

If they knew about it before the murder, what good was the protective order?
If they found out about it afterwards, who gave them this piece of info?

Did he say that Maria told them or that did?

There's just too many conflicting stories.

I know, and the Marines were on major CYA mode yesterday. I am watching Nancy Grace and they are talking to the marine female officer that personally made the restriction papers, and she stated that MAria was very scared of him . More info to come. Nancy is asking all the right questions !!!!

 

[STEADFAST]

I know, and the Marines were on major CYA mode yesterday. I am watching Nancy Grace and they are talking to the marine female officer that personally made the restriction papers, and she stated that MAria was very scared of him . More info to come. Nancy is asking all the right questions !!!!

But even SHE didn't believe that Maria was really in danger from him. She seems shocked that Laurean turned out to be actually dangerous. Poor Maria, her nervousness and fears and his psychopathic confidence were the very things that allowed him to have the freedom to kill her.

My mom used to work at a battered women's shelter, and she said that the batterers who came in for therapy seemed more than normally likeable and pleasant.