Missing 8 mth pregnant Marine Maria Frances Lauterbach- NC #7

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  • #201
The note found at Maria's residence says something like 'I couldn't take the Marine life anymore....' I have really high doubts that she wrote that. Ask any military member & to them that is a sign of weakness. They take major pride in wearing that uniform. I think that either 🤬🤬🤬 or 🤬🤬🤬's wife wrote it to further bash Maria... IMO Maria was the stellar soldier who even after going through all the he** she was put through she still showed up everyday and faced her responsibilities to the Corps. Sucks that they didn't feel the same about her.

she was 8 months pregnant...i would think she was probably tired & with everything that had been going on, it's possible she was depressed...i wouldn't be surprised that she wrote this note, along with buying the bus ticket....wonder if she knew anyone in El Paso?.....why go there?

i have to say, after reading the article that ThoughtFox posted in the media links thread, it appears to me that the military did what they were suppose to do.....

http://www.newbernsj.com/news/lauterbach_38149___article.html/lcpl_cpl.html

if she had sex with Cesar in March & in April & no other time, then he's not the father of her child.......if he is, they had to have had sex in May also....
 
  • #202
Good question ss.
I would say, spying on her when she went to her normal atm, maybe with binoculars or high end camera. :waitasec:
 
  • #203
snipped -

I don't believe Maria simply said, "Here is my ATM card and my pin number is xxxx. Please help yourself to the money I will need to raise my child."

she could have given him the PIN at any time, while they were 'seeing each other'.....it's possible at some point in time they had gone to an ATM together...she got money out & he saw the PIN she keyed in....maybe
 
  • #204
They need to determine the exact gestational age of Gabriel. Even with the ultrasounds and all the technical knowledge we have...due dates can be miscalculated due to the size of the child and other factors.

If her last period was say March 25th then her due date would be Dec. 30th...so an April encounter could very well be consistent with it being his child.

Baby Due Date Calculator: http://www.marchofdimes.com/pnhec/1808_1892.asp?gclid=CN_c7IjP-pACFQdEFQodOEjp1A
 
  • #205
I don't think she would have given it to him voluntarily. I don't see him using binaculars to get it either. Neither of those scenarios make sense.

According to military, the reports put them together at work only and what happened occurred there. I don't see them out running around together myself. Too risky with him being married.
 
  • #206
They need to determine the exact gestational age of Gabriel. Even with the ultrasounds and all the technical knowledge we have...due dates can be miscalculated due to the size of the child and other factors.

If her last period was say March 25th then her due date would be Dec. 30th...so an April encounter could very well be consistent with it being his child.

Baby Due Date Calculator: http://www.marchofdimes.com/pnhec/1808_1892.asp?gclid=CN_c7IjP-pACFQdEFQodOEjp1A

Maria wasn't pregnant on May 11th......assuming she had regular 28-30 day cycles, her last period would had to have been around May 1st, for a May 14th conception....

eta...her due date was February
 
  • #207
Tks seven for posting the link.
Hadn't seen that one.....
Bet, when this goes to trial he and/or his wife will be testifying..

You're very welcome, Phar! :)

I wondered why he alluded to some being mistaken about Laurean leaving @ 4:00 a.m. on Friday. Apparently, it came from his wife Christina? At least that's what Nancy seems to be alluding to on her show Tuesday when she says .....

"GRACE: Kathleen Mullin, this is why you never want your defense client to speak because in one report, we read that she confronted him about the affair, or as Lauterbach said, the rape -- that she confronted him about the whole thing. Then she says, Well, I didn`t know anything, I found this note, and he was gone at 4:00 AM. "

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0801/15/ng.01.html

So if it turns out that it was Xtina who said "stellar" was gone at 4:00 a.m., then that's one lie we know about, because the neighbor Richard was very definite about his wife seeing him @ 6:30 a.m.
 
  • #208
Not to mention she didn't report it to the base until 8am.. :rolleyes:
 
  • #209
Not sure if they said yet if they are going to do DNA on Gabriel to determine if 🤬🤬🤬 was in fact ...ugh?! His father?! (however you want to say that) but if they do at least that will answer some of the questions we all have.
 
  • #210
I don't think she would have given it to him voluntarily. I don't see him using binaculars to get it either. Neither of those scenarios make sense.

According to military, the reports put them together at work only and what happened occurred there. I don't see them out running around together myself. Too risky with him being married.

right...as far as the military knew, they had no contact while at work...Maria had been placed on the other side of the base...there's no way the military knew exactly what each of them were doing on their time off....
 
  • #211
she could have given him the PIN at any time, while they were 'seeing each other'.....it's possible at some point in time they had gone to an ATM together...she got money out & he saw the PIN she keyed in....maybe

Has it been established that they were "seeing each other"? .......... I know the Protective Orders were renewed from time to time, but I heard the Timeline Marine at the presser yesterday mention something about a time when one PO ran out and it wasn't rewnewed after that ....... wish I could remember that date when the PO expired.
 
  • #212
Not sure if they said yet if they are going to do DNA on Gabriel to determine if 🤬🤬🤬 was in fact ...ugh?! His father?! (however you want to say that) but if they do at least that will answer some of the questions we all have.

i would think they will...they were going to do DNA testing had she not been murdered...i'm sure they'll still determine if Cesar was the father or not....surely??
 
  • #213
So, if we have Christina on active duty in one place and Maria and 🤬🤬🤬 on duty in another place, then we have the "unit" run by 🤬🤬🤬 AND the unit Christina is in ALL probably ganging up to make Maria's life hell. I wonder if there was ANYONE or ANYPLACE on that base safe for Maria? No WONDER Maria was hesitant to move ahead on the assault charges - she was being pressured from her co-workers and it appears she was either ignored or hassled by everyone around her - above, below and equal.

Poor Maria - I am sure she would have done just about anything, including going alone to meet 🤬🤬🤬 - if she thought it would make her life (and more importantly her baby's life and future) even a little more secure, nicer, easier and happier. Her mother was hassling her and upsetting her and she must been sick and tired and lonely and desperate and scared. Facing birth and motherhood ALL ALONE with no support or even a kind or sympathetic word from anyone - even her own family was disapproving. One kind, encouraging, word from 🤬🤬🤬 would have sent her running to him in a heartbeat, no questions asked. In her desperation, she was willing to trust him - I am sure she had no idea that she was running headlong toward death - she was so vulnerable and 🤬🤬🤬 (or Christina or both) saw that weakness as an opportunity to end all their problems forever. No baby, no charges, no problems - so neat and nice, right before Christmas too.

And has anyone wondered HOW 🤬🤬🤬 got Maria's ATM PIN? Did 🤬🤬🤬 offer to deposit some money for her...and to keep it a secret (from his wife maybe?) say he needed her PIN so he could do it at the ATM? Or did he go WITH her and deposit some money so he could get her PIN before he killed her? I mean he surely would have wanted to get any money HE gave her or spent buying the bus ticket back - thus the withdrawals and the Western Union wires after we know she was dead.

You know what's sick - I think Maria paid for the paint, the landscaping and the party to cover up the evidence of her murder. Heres what I think was probably their twisted thought process...
the 🤬🤬🤬's felt justified the whole way thru - since Maria caused all their added trouble, expense and work she not only had to die (with that pesky baby) but she OWED THEM $$$. MAria caused it ALL, it was all her fault - she set out to entice and tease 🤬🤬🤬 until she forced him to succumb to her feminine wiles and have sex with her (and she refused to allow him to use a condom too), and then of course she got pregnant (on purpose, to trap 🤬🤬🤬 into paying her support and medical for 18 years) so of COURSE she WOULD NOT have an abortion and when 🤬🤬🤬 rejected her she ran off and filed false charges against him. Well what were they to do - she was EVIL, ruining their perfect lives and she would NOT go away no matter what they did to make her leave so FINALLY she made them kill her and the baby. The didn't want to, they had to - to protect themselves, you see.

Of COURSE Maria, was even MORE trouble DEAD - she WOULD not die neatly - she had to make it harder for them and die a messy death - practically destroys their HOUSE and her body didn't burn right either and it ruins their daughter's play area. It's only RIGHT that she should pay for their troubles and legal expenses and of course for them to clean up and cover up and buy themselves and their daughter extra nice gifts to make up for all the inconvenience and sacrifice - it being their holidays and all. Maybe they even thought about trying to keep or sell her car and her stuff--until the Sheriff started calling asking questions. BLAST THAT WITCH Maria was dead, and STILL she was with them every day, causing nore trouble for THEM from her grave. The ungrateful beootch - she was haunting them from the grave they so graciously provided for her in the backyard!


And I do not think for a minute Maria bought that bus ticket. The fact that whoever DID buy it made such a deal about asking about parking the car there and made sure to draw attention to herself tells me it wasn't Maria. It was ALL a set up to provide a cover-up for Maria being missing and deflect suspicion from 🤬🤬🤬. And if the ticket was bought before Maria died then Christina is part of the murder from the planning stage - and it was premeditated.

AND I think Christina is still really angry , not at 🤬🤬🤬, but at Maria. I get the buried anger vibe all over the events since Jan 11th. I get the idea that Christina truly believes Maria is ruining her life - in Christina's mind it's not her own actions or those of 🤬🤬🤬 that are to blame for what's happening, but MARIA. It's ALL, everything that has happened, all MARIA's fault. She can be so calm and so self-absorbed because this was all out of her control - "Maria made them do it" and she is continuing to destroy their lives from the grave.

And ya know what - that is almost the same vibe I got from the Marine presser today. They did everything but stand there and whine like a bunch of babies that their troubles are all because of Maria. Geez, she is wasting MORE precious Marine time and energy and money and she ruined a STELLAR Marine in the process. So much trouble for a merely "steady" Female Marine who was having a BABY - less work, more expense - more troubles for them.

Osama is wasting his time with traditional terrorists - all it takes to destroy a whole base and bring it to it's knees is a 20 year old pregnant Lance Corporal from Ohio. It's pretty sad that we are depending on these people to defend us when they can't even find their own azzes with an operations manual, a Colonel in charge and several squadrons of trained soldiers and support staff using both hands and a spotlight.

Semper FUBAR should be their motto!

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  • #214
i would think they will...they were going to do DNA testing had she not been murdered...i'm sure they'll still determine if Cesar was the father or not....surely??
There is no doubt they will try to determine from DNA testing who the father of the child is. If it is not Laurean, they have another player in the case who has not been questioned in her murder. They have to know the answer to paternity, imo.
 
  • #215
Has it been established that they were "seeing each other"? .......... I know the Protective Orders were renewed from time to time, but I heard the Timeline Marine at the presser yesterday mention something about a time when one PO ran out and it wasn't rewnewed after that ....... wish I could remember that date when the PO expired.

well, i'd say they were, since she said they had sex March 26th & then again two weeks later while on the job....

there was a lapse in the PO betw Dec 24th & Jan 7....

http://www.newbernsj.com/news/lauterbach_38149___article.html/lcpl_cpl.html

On Tuesday, January 8, 2008, the company commander re-issues a written Military Protective Order effective through March 28th. There was a lapse in MPO coverage between December 24th and January 7th due to an administrative oversight during the holiday period.
 
  • #216
There is no doubt they will try to determine from DNA testing who the father of the child is. If it is not Laurean, they have another player in the case who has not been questioned in her murder. They have to know the answer to paternity, imo.

i have no doubt that Cesar murdered Maria, but i must admit i'm a little curious about this Sgt Durham....
 
  • #217
Maria wasn't pregnant on May 11th......assuming she had regular 28-30 day cycles, her last period would had to have been around May 1st, for a May 14th conception....

eta...her due date was February
Let me go back and check what the military said on the negative pregnancy test. They could also have the dates wrong for their test! They did make other mistakes in her case by their own admission of paperwork foulups such as reporting to her mother she did show up for an OB appt. that she did not.
 
  • #218
Maria wasn't pregnant on May 11th......assuming she had regular 28-30 day cycles, her last period would had to have been around May 1st, for a May 14th conception....

eta...her due date was February
This is where we need a sticky of the facts - per the Sheriff and her Mom her due date was JAN 8th! Not February as was 1st reported. She got pregnant the very END of March or the 1st week or so of April -which is in line with what was reportedly the date she was raped/assaulted.
 
  • #219
Again, well done FlowerChild...
:clap::clap::clap::clap::clap::clap::clap::clap::clap:

OMG so many posts since I read your first post of today...
 
  • #220
i have no doubt that Cesar murdered Maria, but i must admit i'm a little curious about this Sgt Durham....
According to the military presser, Sgt. Durham was looking for someone to take over his housing while he was gone (to sublet or rent it out). This is one reason he agreed to take in Maria and makes sense.

He does need to be questioned very thoroughly. He could have had some kind of relationship other than roommate, but it is purely speculation. He needs to answer questions about their relationship, any conversations between he and Maria pertaining to Laurean or his wife, and other things. I am curious about him, too. I think he would have information which directly relates to this case.
 
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