Missing Georgia hiker--Meredith Emerson, 24 #3

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  • #141
A lot of the time when LE is still gathering evidence on greater charges, they will hold someone on a smaller charge in order to keep them in their sights while they gain more evidence of the larger charge. That seems to be the case with Hilton (hold him for abandoned property on Federal land while looking into murder)
Yes, that is what I surmised from the beginning. I would just like to know about what abandoned property he left...or if they were talking about things he left on scene at Vogel.
 
  • #142
What I am thinking is that Hilton was at the property the poster on Gretawire talked about finding. He did say that LE then went to that property didn't he?

Anyway I think that Hilton stayed in the cabin and that he left Meredith out in the car. I think he brought the two dogs in with him..dog feces and 3 mattresses found inside the cabin.

I wonder if Meredith kept giving him wrong pin numbers to try to buy herself time? Hoping someone would find them? The news says he used her bankcard 3x, 3different locations on 3 different days..it never says he was successful at withdrawing the money.

I also don't think he thought anyone was looking for him. Even though to us it was all ver the news..remember he is a homeless man living out of a rundown cabina nad his van..no way he would be watching any TV, although he may have listened to the radio. But I don't think that he knew people were searching for him..he wouldn't have spent all that time at the gas station cleaning out the van. It was almost 2 hours he was there. 4 different people recognized him and called in to police. One man even spoke to him for a while was he was cleaning up the van..what tipped him off was when the man called for his dog and he heard the name Dandy.

This man has probably got a whole slew of bodies that he has left in his wake. And I agree that the decap and hand removal is to slow down the ID. Looks like Florida ia very intent on the fact they think Hilton is their man too in Dunlaps murder.
 
  • #143
Where is the third location of ATM? I only heard about Canton and Gainsville.
 
  • #144
What I am thinking is that Hilton was at the property the poster on Gretawire talked about finding. He did say that LE then went to that property didn't he?

Anyway I think that Hilton stayed in the cabin and that he left Meredith out in the car. I think he brought the two dogs in with him..dog feces and 3 mattresses found inside the cabin.

I wonder if Meredith kept giving him wrong pin numbers to try to buy herself time? Hoping someone would find them? The news says he used her bankcard 3x, 3different locations on 3 different days..it never says he was successful at withdrawing the money.

I also don't think he thought anyone was looking for him. Even though to us it was all ver the news..remember he is a homeless man living out of a rundown cabina nad his van..no way he would be watching any TV, although he may have listened to the radio. But I don't think that he knew people were searching for him..he wouldn't have spent all that time at the gas station cleaning out the van. It was almost 2 hours he was there. 4 different people recognized him and called in to police. One man even spoke to him for a while was he was cleaning up the van..what tipped him off was when the man called for his dog and he heard the name Dandy.

This man has probably got a whole slew of bodies that he has left in his wake. And I agree that the decap and hand removal is to slow down the ID. Looks like Florida ia very intent on the fact they think Hilton is their man too in Dunlaps murder.

Delta: I completely agree.
 
  • #145
I thought I would bring that post over here from the last thread.

SuziQ said:
Just posted by Bluebird at Huffs. Thanks Bluebird! IMO, the van described below sounds like it's disabled and abandoned. The 2nd van maybe? We know from the dashcam pic that Hilton was a squatter. This may very well be the location where he held Merideth.

Tia,
Here is the excerpt from GretaWire. I will paste the link for the page but you would have to scroll down and search for his comments.
http://gretawire.foxnews.com/200...ead-8/ #comments

Comment by Glenn Adams
January 6th, 2008 at 6:51 pm
"I am back from the search of the area around my home on the Amicacalola River. Last Thursday, I saw a wh. Van parked in the woods across a large field bordering a field. Their is a cable with a combination lock to keep out uninvited guests. The barbed wire fence connected to the gate had been cut then tied back together to hide the cut. I found several fresh items, bottle water, buiscuit wrapper, wet wipes. “Natural Foods” ;organic food sack(this is sold at trail head stores on the trail & intern.) etc, The Van had backed up in a trench to so that it wasn’t visible. The van had knocked down medimum size saplings and pushed them 20′ from their original location. A wet wipe bottle was placed on a stake to mark the location, in case he left. While LE was on the scene, 2 different neighbors stopped and said they saw the van and described to a tee. Aprox 300 yards from that location is a vacant house. The door had been smashed in and one room with curtains, had 3 mattresses, that were being slept on. Several items, clorox, dr. pepper 3/4 full, bottle water,dog feeces etc. A well off of the back porch; the cover had been removed and leaves around the cover had been recently disturbed.
GBI, & several LE, withK-9; cadiver dog. No hits for body but obvious they were there. It was very cold this week. When I called the tip line the GBI was searching the river about a mile below the house and field. They left after about an hour and said that had requested the dogs at the previous location. Tired, gotta go for now….."
 
  • #146
Where is the third location of ATM? I only heard about Canton and Gainsville.

They have not released that info..only that he tried 3 seperate times, three locations, 3 different days.
 
  • #147
It sounds to me like the van was able to be driven since the parking place appeared to be marked in case it left and two people said they had seen it. I would have to assume they meant driving around. Since he wasn't there and LE was...sure sounds like the second van.

That poster mentioned the well, too. This would be a place he could have left her while he was gone. Would be almost impossible to escape from.
 
  • #148
What I am thinking is that Hilton was at the property the poster on Gretawire talked about finding. He did say that LE then went to that property didn't he?

Anyway I think that Hilton stayed in the cabin and that he left Meredith out in the car. I think he brought the two dogs in with him..dog feces and 3 mattresses found inside the cabin.

I wonder if Meredith kept giving him wrong pin numbers to try to buy herself time? Hoping someone would find them? The news says he used her bankcard 3x, 3different locations on 3 different days..it never says he was successful at withdrawing the money.

I also don't think he thought anyone was looking for him. Even though to us it was all ver the news..remember he is a homeless man living out of a rundown cabina nad his van..no way he would be watching any TV, although he may have listened to the radio. But I don't think that he knew people were searching for him..he wouldn't have spent all that time at the gas station cleaning out the van. It was almost 2 hours he was there. 4 different people recognized him and called in to police. One man even spoke to him for a while was he was cleaning up the van..what tipped him off was when the man called for his dog and he heard the name Dandy.

This man has probably got a whole slew of bodies that he has left in his wake. And I agree that the decap and hand removal is to slow down the ID. Looks like Florida ia very intent on the fact they think Hilton is their man too in Dunlaps murder.


I totally agree EXCEPT if he thought noone was looking for him...why did he switch out plates/tags on the van? I think in the beginning he thought exactly as you described..but something, maybe a newspaper he passed by, maybe a radio newsblip tipped him off.

Maybe he thought since Ella, as well as Meredith's belongings were located where they were, that he had "bought" himself sometime. With the switch of the plate, and what he thought was "getting rid of the evidence" that even, if he was picked up, there wouldn't be anything tieing him to it other than him being seen with her?

Just thoughts...different things running through the head...But that's one of the things I can't get over, if he thought nothing of what was going on, (ie people looking for him etc) why switch the plate id?

I've also wondered if that's why he did what he did after she died...A type of "You're the one that ruined this" thing....Everyone worked so hard to keep her in the spotlight, to pull clues together, to keep on the lookout etc. I don't think he counted on her being in the media as quick or as often as she was.


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  • #149
It sounds to me like the van was able to be driven since the parking place appeared to be marked in case it left and two people said they had seen it. I would have to assume they meant driving around. Since he wasn't there and LE was...sure sounds like the second van.

That poster mentioned the well, too. This would be a place he could have left her while he was gone. Would be almost impossible to escape from.

I agreee SS, this could be a place he could leave her in the van, bound and gagged, and leave Ella in the cabin. It makes sense he would want the dogs sleeping with him and her in the van. Well not normal sense, but he loved well mannered dogs more then well mannered people that is how he would look at things. Also with both dogs with him he would be assured she would not have Ella's help if she tried to escape, ie Lassie..I am sure he remembers that show we all grew up on where the dog could release the owner from any and all situations. Maybe this is why he only liked friendly well behaved dogs..because he knew how to deal them and knew they would not be as risky to his misdeeds as say a vicious dog or a dog that did not obey.
 
  • #150
Actually...I meant he could have left her in the well...not the van.
 
  • #151
How deep was the well? Was there only one way to access it? Otherwise, the well seems like too much trouble.
 
  • #152
I totally agree EXCEPT if he thought noone was looking for him...why did he switch out plates/tags on the van? I think in the beginning he thought exactly as you described..but something, maybe a newspaper he passed by, maybe a radio newsblip tipped him off.

Maybe he thought since Ella, as well as Meredith's belongings were located where they were, that he had "bought" himself sometime. With the switch of the plate, and what he thought was "getting rid of the evidence" that even, if he was picked up, there wouldn't be anything tieing him to it other than him being seen with her?

Just thoughts...different things running through the head...But that's one of the things I can't get over, if he thought nothing of what was going on, (ie people looking for him etc) why switch the plate id?

I've also wondered if that's why he did what he did after she died...A type of "You're the one that ruined this" thing....Everyone worked so hard to keep her in the spotlight, to pull clues together, to keep on the lookout etc. I don't think he counted on her being in the media as quick or as often as she was

I think switching plates was probably something he started a long time ago thinking it would lead people away from him being recognized at the ATM machines...switch plates and you're not the white Astro van owner at the bank. Remember the disquise he had , the mask on his face, if that is him in the ATM video from the Dunlap case, so he knew ATM's had cameras. I still don't feel he thought anyone was specifically looking for him...he spent too much time cleaning out that van and talking to the man at the convenience/ gas station ..he felt pretty comfortable by that time that he was not about to be caught. I think he was just cleaning up to go onto his next victim..thank God that he was caught.
 
  • #153
I don't know the answers there. He wouldn't have cared about her "comfort" and if he had a rope around her...he could raise and lower her. Doesn't mean he didn't keep her in the van or the house while he was there...but I was thinking how he could insure her staying put while he was out trying to use her card.
 
  • #154
It will be interesting to find out when the NC plate went missing and if he stole it during the time the Bryant murder/kidnapping took place. I think since someone got his tag number at Vogel...perhaps he had this plate already and switched it soon after taking her.
 
  • #155
Actually...I meant he could have left her in the well...not the van.

Sorry SS.. I misunderstood. I think he wanted the water from the well for the dogs. But you could be right..that would be a great place to put a body that probably wouldn't be discovered for quite some time.
 
  • #156
Ga. Drifter Now Suspect in Fla. Slaying

"In Florida, the Leon County Sheriff's Office said Wednesday that Hilton was a prime suspect in the death of Cheryl Hodges Dunlap, whose body was found Dec. 19 in the Apalachicola National Forest, southwest of Tallahassee.

Authorities say a masked person suspected in Dunlap's death used her ATM card three times after her disappearance Dec. 1.

Sheriff's Maj. Mike Wood said Wednesday authorities had confirmed that Hilton was in the area at the time of Dunlap's disappearance.

Based on similarities between the Georgia and Florida cases and Hilton's presence in the area when Dunlap disappeared, Wood said Hilton was the focus of the Florida investigation."
 
  • #157
Sorry SS.. I misunderstood. I think he wanted the water from the well for the dogs. But you could be right..that would be a great place to put a body that probably wouldn't be discovered for quite some time.

He could have been considering dumping the body in the well and changed his mind...or he could have used it as a manipulative device, taking the well cover off in front of her and threatening to put her in it, to try to get her pin number...
 
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He could have been considering dumping the body in the well and changed his mind...or he could have used it as a manipulative device, taking the well cover off in front of her and threatening to put her in it, to try to get her pin number...

If someone kidnapped me and asked for my pin number... I'd give it to them without a second thought. Take my money, but spare my dog and me!

how many of us would guard our pin number over our lives? u know what I'm saying..I dont think he kept her alive for her pin number... she would have given it to him when he asked for it.
 
  • #160
If someone kidnapped me and asked for my pin number... I'd give it to them without a second thought. Take my money, but spare my dog and me!

how many of us would guard our pin number over our lives? u know what I'm saying..I dont think he kept her alive for her pin number... she would have given it to him when he asked for it.

Well, he tried unsuccessfully to use her card @ the ATM's 3 times...
 
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