Missouri - The Springfield Three - missing since 7 June 1992 - #16

[lee sumner]

I agree. I still would like to know more about the male acquaintance who was inside the house on the 7th who had problems remembering where he was on the evening of the 6th and the morning of the 7th. A lot of people have said over the years that "teenagers couldn't have committed the perfect crime" and while I mostly agree with that, we have no idea who was at these various graduation parties. There could have been people visiting graduating relatives not from the area who were present at these parties. IMO, the people attending the parties should be looked at more closely.

i thought the same. was a sex predator in town for the graduation and took the opportunity to snatch a victim. there were many strangers from out of town in springfield that weekend.

 

[lee sumner]

Think the actual sex act can be subordinate to violence and murder. Looking it up, they call it "lust murder." So there'd be no escalation from SA to murder. Violence/murder was the primary aim from the beginning but there is a sexual element to it. Seeing that this type's likely to take "souvenirs."

levitt could have been the target that night, then out of nowhere streeter and mccall arrive home, so now the perp has 2 young women to deal with. were streeter and mccall taken because they interrupted the abduction of levitt. was the perp already in the house.

 

[lee sumner]

Does anyone have idea who the male acquaintance was mentioned early in one of the News-Leader articles?
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DR or MC.

 

[lee sumner]

Sherrill's binds were pulled open a quarter of the way and Bookout said it appeared Suzie's blinds had been moved as if someone were looking outside. I don't think that's a coincidence.

levitt window was open halfway. it was summer, plus she was varnishing, painting and decorating. as a result of the work in the house she would have opened windows to let fresh air in.

 

[lee sumner]

(respectfully bolded) Agreed this is a special night, and that does seem extremely significant. Still feel this is someone who was aware of the activities but not necessarily from that area, and he was jmo likely beyond the age range for participating in the parties, so tend to agree with the fringe aspect. He's "in between," he's younger than Sherrill and older than Suzie and Stacy, but again jmo. Also, special nights like graduation bring chaos and unexpected events, but I think he had been watching that house and the women in it for a time and may have felt fairly confident that he generally knew what to expect-- he may have even welcomed the chaos, it's not just chaotic for him. He may have been rifling through purses and spending time once inside the house to make sure he was prepared for what might come next.

I don't know on the bold aspect, tend to agree especially if that was him calling on the phone, but think he's an active or dormant SK and he's as calculated as he is bold. Am wondering if a high school graduation event didn't trigger him in some way. Evidently killers might target milestone events, and since this theoretical killer would himself have experienced a high school graduation-- maybe it triggered something in him.

As special as the night is, I don't think it's more special than the layout & location of that house with two attractive females occupying it. But totally agreeing with the idea that the graduation-- it had to play some role. Am staying open to all the theories discussed on here, they've all seemed plausible and well supported and I'm not glued to any theory right now. With that said, I don't think this was any teenager or group of teens, graverobber, etc. The voice might be teenish, but this was jmo no teen.

agree. no teen pulled off a triple abduction.

 

[lee sumner]

Are we allowed to name the GJ3? If we are, will someone please name them

RC.

 

[lee sumner]

So much information seems to come from Janelle. It then gets repeated through people like Mrs. McCall. Sometimes things also get blown out of proportion like being emotional about graduating turns into "being upset". I would like to see other opinions or know that they exist in police records.

I'm still suspicious of them and I don't think their actions were misunderstandings- MOO.

no way. no teens pulled this triple A off.

 

[Betty P]

Does anyone have idea who the male acquaintance was mentioned early in one of the News-Leader articles?
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JMO, This was also a red flag. One of my two top theories is that the girls fell victim to someone who saw them at one of the parties that night. If not an insider friend, then someone who overheard others talking about the parties and tagged along. I also wondered if any older locals cruised these outdoor parties to sell some weed or pills, etc. All they had to do was casually wait around with the crowd and follow the girls when they left.

 

[lee sumner]

The 3 purses together, IN BEDROOM leads me to think (MOO)

-multiple perps
-perps in Streeters room for a specific reason
-they were going to grab the purses but didn’t...I.e perp 1 had purses and was scanning room for anything else to grab and perp 2 “we gotta go!” (Possibly even tells other to drop the as that could be evidence / leave a trail). Perp 1 drops the purses and possibly helps perp 2 and maybe even 3 with the girls. Thoughts?

there was about 2 grand in levitt purse, but it was not stolen. the purses all next to each other in streeter bedroom could be friends calling at the house looking for a phone number or some clue to where the girls had gone. the friends then put the purses down in streeter bedroom. it could mean nothing.

 

[lee sumner]

I agree with you, @Bartt Streeter . I also refuse to believe Stacy didn’t have any romantic interest. I also think that you’re right about Asher. I have a special dislike for him.

As for the eighteen people, I’m not so sure everyone who came by that Sunday was there to help. Just speculation, but I believe some were there to see what people were thinking. I also think the time it took for Janelle to contact Janis is way too long and strange. @cherrymeg and I spoke about Janis as well. She certainly won’t step out of her comfort zone and treat Stacy like the 18 year old girl she was instead of a perfect person. Not saying anything bad of course, none of us are perfect. Both Asher and Janis hurt this case with ridiculous theories and lies about Sherrill and Suzie. I also agree with you on the fact that it is truly disgusting for someone to say she knows what happened but is too scared to speak out despite being on tv. I definitely believe this was an attention seeking act on her part.

I also can’t get over Janelle calling Suzie “that other girl.” Suzie was supposed to be Janelle’s friend. They’d just graduated and partied together. Why is she now “that other girl”? I do not trust the Kirby’s at all.

Also, Thank you, Bartt for clearing up questions I had about Brian Joy. It makes sense for him to be upset that everyone went somewhere else. I’m interested in the photos of the bed being different. It’s insane people didn’t think anything was off.

So much rumor and speculation about this case. I think all the people who came by the house needs to be looked into.

mccall was best pals with janelle. the other girl comment was about streeter who kirby was not best pals with.

 

[lee sumner]

When one thinks about it I don’t know that much has been said of the girl’s whereabouts after the graduation. If it was I don’t remember it. It seems to pick up when the party broke up on Hanover. We know she called her mother about 10:30PM about the change of plans. That’s about it.

The other unknown is what Sherrill was doing after 11:15PM. It is plausible that someone was in the home with her up to the time the girls came home or even after in her bedroom. All we really know is that she must have been wearing the same print dress that was not in the inventory of clothing. It would be purely guesswork to know what Suzie was wearing as her clothing of that day was in the hamper.

i thought the same. perp was in levitt home when streeter and mccall arrived home at 2 30AM.

 

[lee sumner]

I would think most women would bring clothes for the next day. If you end up sleeping at a friend’s house that has relatives or guy friends you might sleep in your clothes or wear shorts or something. Mrs. McCall made it seem like Stacy was in only an underwear and shirt. Do we know if she could have changed clothes to go somewhere else? Idk

 

[lee sumner]

mccall was wearing only her yellow blouse/shirt. her other clothes were folded up besides the bed. mccall was taken out of delmar in her underwear and yellow shirt.

 

[lee sumner]

That was my recollection as well. Interesting to think he might have seen them. I am guessing he is the one whose timeline was “cleared up.”

It is my opinion that this case may not as complicated as it has been made out to be. I can envision this simply as a sexual quest that went awry.

If I had any input into the case I would want to reinterview all participants to that last party on Hanover. I rather imagine that there would be new information learned after the passage of 28 years. And as is well known a person doesn’t have to remember the truth. But someone who has lied must remember the lies he has told.

One question I would ask each person was whether anyone was seen hitting on Suzie or Stacy. If such a person or persons were named, I think it would be a good idea to reinterview them.

This is an excerpt of the police bulletin in 2012.

“The suspect clearly spent a considerable amount of time out and about from late at night on Saturday, June 6, 1992, into the morning of Sunday, June 7, 1992. The suspect had to have been unaccounted for at the time of the crime. Someone who knew or lived with the suspect in 1992 likely would have been aware of this fact. In addition, in order to explain his whereabouts on the night of the crime, the suspect may have fabricated a story regarding his activities.

Around the time of the crime, the suspect may have spent a considerable amount of time in, or may otherwise have been familiar with, the area of the crime, and he may have frequently been out and about at odd hours. The suspect also may have developed an interest in the victims.

People who know the suspect may not believe that he is capable of committing this type of crime, and he may not have a history of committing crimes of violence.”

I find the sentence quite interesting. What this means is that he merely needs to keep quiet and with no evidence he is home free. Also displays the traits of a true sociopath.

very interesting. it says suspect was out and about in the early morning hours, and would have been missed. it sounds like this info is pointing to a local man who possibly knew the 3 girls.

 

[DustysMom]

levitt window was open halfway. it was summer, plus she was varnishing, painting and decorating. as a result of the work in the house she would have opened windows to let fresh air in.

I always thought that the girls might have heard something outside and moved the blinds. Or, the porch light broke and they looked outside before opening the door?
This was a relatively small town twenty years ago and maybe the three women didn’t feel threatened- after all, many people were out celebrating late that night ….
JMO
My ramblings …

 

[lee sumner]

I always thought that the girls might have heard something outside and moved the blinds. Or, the porch light broke and they looked outside before opening the door?
This was a relatively small town twenty years ago and maybe the three women didn’t feel threatened- after all, many people were out celebrating late that night ….
JMO
My ramblings …

all three girls were not targets, so why were all 3 taken. mccall was not the mark that night, so it was levitt or streeter, mother and daughter who were the targets.

 

[lee sumner]

I always thought that the girls might have heard something outside and moved the blinds. Or, the porch light broke and they looked outside before opening the door?
This was a relatively small town twenty years ago and maybe the three women didn’t feel threatened- after all, many people were out celebrating late that night ….
JMO
My ramblings …

safety in numbers so the saying goes. this case shows that quote is BS.

 

[lee sumner]

DRIVE

i thought the same. perp was in levitt home when streeter and mccall arrived home at 2 30AM

That's exactly the direction that the investigation needs to go in. I'm not sure that it ever "officially" has unless they've kept it close to the vest. These are the folks that need reinterviewed and reexamined.

Also, I'm a staunch believer (as I've said elsewhere in this thread and on these boards) that multiple people CAN and WILL keep a secret when it's something as heavy as this, but time can take its toll. These kids are now hitting 50 and older. I'm a tad younger and even in my 40s I'm doing reflecting. After all this time the next decade could be crucial as far as new info.

iam a big believer in human nature, and its HN to want to talk to people after some major event has taken place, so there is no way teens who are not fully mature yet would keep quiet about a triple abduction they took part in.

 

[lee sumner]

JMO, This was also a red flag. One of my two top theories is that the girls fell victim to someone who saw them at one of the parties that night. If not an insider friend, then someone who overheard others talking about the parties and tagged along. I also wondered if any older locals cruised these outdoor parties to sell some weed or pills, etc. All they had to do was casually wait around with the crowd and follow the girls when they left.

why not snatch streeter and mccall on the way home to delmar st, which is about 12 miles from kirby house. perp is not going to wait until they arrive home go in then lock up for the night.

 

[lee sumner]

Cliff Williams inventory of Sherrill Levitt’s and Suzie Streeter’s possessions:
Levitt:

In her purse, $750 cash and $780 in un-cashed checks from her hair-styling clients.

44 pair of shoes

34 sweaters.

22 skirts.

32 blouses.

35 dresses.

Streeter:

74 T-shirts

64 pair of shoes.

40 denim or cloth jackets.

5 leather jackets.

45 stuffed animals.

And though he describes the home as meticulously neat, Glenn would not elaborate on a few things police found that were “out of place (and) just shouldn’t have been that way.”

News-Leader, June 10, 1992.

To me , that’s a LOT of clothes / shoes . I don’t know how anyone could definitively say , what might not be accounted for .
We only really know the last clothing they were seen in .

wow, streeter had 44 pairs of shoes. that is excessive.