Missouri - The Springfield Three--missing since June 1992 - #10

[MooseMeMuch]

There have been other cases just like this one where no evidence was left behind as well.

Were the cases, you are referring to, ever solved?
Throw us a 'bone' of hope!

 

[MooseMeMuch]

. Why wouldn’t she have stopped there first? Or even after - but then I’m not familiar with the logistics of Battlefield, or the gas station in relation to her home.

Apco was/is east of Battlefield. Sherrill and Suzie lived northeast of Battlefield towards the middle part of Springfield on Business 65/Glenstone Ave.

 

[SpringfieldMan341]

Has anyone ever been to the porch lady house to see if the distance from the porch/door to the driveway was enough to spot Suzie’s slight facial disfigurement (as she claims)? Might help to do a re-enactment to see if that tip is even credible... I’m not sure I buy it.

 

[intothenight]

Thank you for this, much closer than I had thought. It brings into question if Sherill knew where Suzie was that night - and the sighting is roughly around the same time that the girls were said to have left the parties in Battlefield. It's interesting that this tip is much lesser known than the steakhouse one, or at the least less talked about in documentaries, podcasts etc.

 

[Scooby Doo 4U]

Disregard this post, I messed up when I was trying to post a reply and couldn't figure out how to completely delete it. Sorry.

 

[Scooby Doo 4U]

MooseMeMuch:

I watched this video last night and I have to say, I wasn't very happy about how caddy and cavalier the videos narrators were, however, they did do a pretty good job of putting together the timeline, and pointing out things that didn't make sense in the timeline and overall stories about the events of that night. I just wish they would have made some effort to not act like everything was so funny to them. That part was very disrespectful of the memories of the women in my opinion. But the timeline map they constructed was very good in my opinion.

 

[Scooby Doo 4U]

Has anyone ever been to the porch lady house to see if the distance from the porch/door to the driveway was enough to spot Suzie’s slight facial disfigurement (as she claims)? Might help to do a re-enactment to see if that tip is even credible... I’m not sure I buy it.

I know with in about a block or two where this took place, based on the way they described the supposed sighting by the porch lady, but I never was able to find any information that told exactly who she was or what her address was, just the general area where Grand dead-ends into 65-Hwy. I think if the sighting was real, who ever was driving the van, or who ever was directing the person driving the van where to go, got confused or didn't realize, in their effort to get out of town ASAP, that Grand dead ends where it intersects with 65 Hwy, and that's the reason they had to turn around. My personal feeling is, if the porch lady's account is legit, that the perp's probably went back to Oak Grove and took that north to Cherry Street and then straight out of town or onto 65 Hwy from there, or, they snaked their way through the back streets the other direction until they got to East Catalpa and took that east out of town, or onto 65 Hwy, depending on what their ultimate destination was.

 

[Scooby Doo 4U]

Thank you for this, much closer than I had thought. It brings into question if Sherill knew where Suzie was that night - and the sighting is roughly around the same time that the girls were said to have left the parties in Battlefield. It's interesting that this tip is much lesser known than the steakhouse one, or at the least less talked about in documentaries, podcasts etc.

I agree with this scenario as well. I personally feel that if the APCO sighting was real, that Susie or someone else called Sherrill in a panic because of what ever was happening or what had already happened, and that's what drew Sherrill out of the house. I personally feel that the APCO sighting holds much more weight than the Georges Steak House sighting. It just makes so much more sense seeing as the APCO station is very close to Michelle Elders Hanover Street Party, as well as, Brian Joy's party by Janelle's house. The girls were suppose to be in that area partying, and it makes so much more sense to think that when something went sideways that night, that the APCO station would have been a very convenient location for Susie or someone close to Susie to have made a call to Sherrill from a pay phone. I've often wondered if the police were smart enough to have pulled the coin box from the pay phones at the APCO station, and dusted the coins and the phone's themselves, for any finger prints that could have substantiated the sighting, and or, also lead to who may have placed a call to Sherrill if it wasn't Susie who had called her. I somehow doubt they did, but its something to think about.

 

[Scooby Doo 4U]

It’s a bit of a muddled fusion of events that I’m still not entirely convinced with myself, but I think most theories are valid in this case. Although not shut off to the possibility drugs played a part in this crime, I lean more towards sexual motivations. Drugs and money usually go hand in hand - and so much cash/checks left behind here. I think police would have found at least some fibre of evidence that could tie either woman to being involved in drugs and nothing has ever been mentioned. I’m sure I saw it posted a few pages back but usually those type of crimes don’t end with abductions and likely murders from a residence. Everything would have taken place there and the women surely found there, too?

I personally feel, based on some other things I've heard about this case, that the police were not being completely forthright about the Drug angle. Not sure that Sherrill was personally involved in anything of that nature, but potentially someone she was associating with. If you remember, one of the things police said at one point shortly after the crime occurred was that, "Sherrill had made some poor choices", but they never elaborated further about what they were referring to. And I think they were referring to either something she got herself involved in, or someone she unwittingly got herself involved with. I think the police have down played the drug angle on purpose in an effort to not overly tip their hand regarding what they REALLY think happened, so as not to compromise their investigation, or wrongly accuse Sherrill of something they couldn't completely be sure of, or prove.

 

[asyousay]

I personally feel, based on some other things I've heard about this case, that the police were not being completely forthright about the Drug angle. Not sure that Sherrill was personally involved in anything of that nature, but potentially someone she was associating with. If you remember, one of the things police said at one point shortly after the crime occurred was that, "Sherrill had made some poor choices", but they never elaborated further about what they were referring to. And I think they were referring to either something she got herself involved in, or someone she unwittingly got herself involved with. I think the police have down played the drug angle on purpose in an effort to not overly tip their hand regarding what they REALLY think happened, so as not to compromise their investigation, or wrongly accuse Sherrill of something they couldn't completely be sure of, or prove.

The problem is what the hell would Sherill of been involved in that would involved triple murder?

 

[Ozoner]

Not until ~2:35AM. So Sherrill would have arrived home before the women since it takes 16 mins to get from Apco to 1717 Delmar.

Also why is it always assumed Sherrill was called out of the house by her daughter or daughter's friend? Couldn't Sherrill have searched because someone dangerous is expected to come over? Maybe it was something that couldn't be brought to the attention of the other mothers?

I agree; it's just as likely--maybe more likely--that there was something going on at Sherrill's end.

I think Sherrill searching for Suzie isn't anything complicated or related to being phoned by Suzie/a friend.

I think she didn't know where she was and wasn't going to call Mrs. Kirby at 2AM to find out.

I think Apco sighting proves that something bad in Sherrill and Suzie's life was about to present itself and she needed to find and alert her daughter.

Yes; she might have received a threatening phone call, or she might have seen a suspicious vehicle drive past the house and known what that meant.

We've talked about Suzie testifying in a case, but I've sometimes wondered whether Sherrill was doing something illegal, like helping to launder money, and she was snared by the feds and forced to become an informant.

Has Randy Little ever given an interview regarding this case?

 

[Scooby Doo 4U]

The problem is what the hell would Sherill of been involved in that would involved triple murder?

Well, like I said, some think there was some kind of drug connection that motivated this crime. May not have been Sherrill directly, but she may have been aware, or Susie may have been aware of something that was going on, and it could very well be possible that because she had given a report to police regarding the grave robbers crime, someone got scared that she was going to tell the police other things. The way I look at it is, someone may have just been paranoid, and that paranoia, whether founded or unfounded, may have been the motivation for the crime.

 

[Scooby Doo 4U]

I agree; it's just as likely--maybe more likely--that there was something going on at Sherrill's end.


Yes; she might have received a threatening phone call, or she might have seen a suspicious vehicle drive past the house and known what that meant.

We've talked about Suzie testifying in a case, but I've sometimes wondered whether Sherrill was doing something illegal, like helping to launder money, and she was snared by the feds and forced to become an informant.

Has Randy Little ever given an interview regarding this case?

Or, I'll throw this out there. If it was a fact that Sherrill had been receiving harassing phone calls, that someone that night called her and made a threat against Susie and that's what prompted her to go looking for her. However, you have to take into account WHY did Sherrill go to that particular APCO convenient store. I don't think she would have just gone there randomly looking for her daughter. If the sighting of Sherrill being there was legit, something prompted her to go to that particular store. Question is, what was it????

 

[Valiant]

What if, and I have no idea if this is true, the APCO is the place they bought cigarettes? People often have a regular place they go, so she could have been seeing if her daughter stopped by and bought cigarettes.

 

[Scooby Doo 4U]

What if, and I have no idea if this is true, the APCO is the place they bought cigarettes? People often have a regular place they go, so she could have been seeing if her daughter stopped by and bought cigarettes.

Thing is, there is a convenient store less than a block from Sherrill's house on the corner of Glenstone & Grand. The APCO station is quite a way's south of the house, like a couple miles or so.

 

[Ozoner]

Thing is, there is a convenient store less than a block from Sherrill's house on the corner of Glenstone & Grand. The APCO station is quite a way's south of the house, like a couple miles or so.

Was the convenience store open 24 hrs. back in 1992?

 

[SpringfieldMan341]

Do you guys think it's by coincidence that Apco happened to be where all three of the missing stopped by at some point in the night?

 

[Scooby Doo 4U]

Do you guys think it's by coincidence that Apco happened to be where all three of the missing stopped by at some point in the night?

Well, you know what the cops always say, "I don't believe in coincidences". I would agree with you on this point. Seems more than coincidental to me!!

 

[Scooby Doo 4U]

Was the convenience store open 24 hrs. back in 1992?

That's a good point. But I seem to recall that it was a 24hr convenience store. It was fairly new in 92 if I recall correctly. It wasn't a small mom and pop operation, I know that much.

 

[MooseMeMuch]

MooseMeMuch:

I watched this video last night and I have to say, I wasn't very happy about how caddy and cavalier the videos narrators were, however, they did do a pretty good job of putting together the timeline, and pointing out things that didn't make sense in the timeline and overall stories about the events of that night. I just wish they would have made some effort to not act like everything was so funny to them. That part was very disrespectful of the memories of the women in my opinion. But the timeline map they constructed was very good in my opinion.

Yeah...the narrators are total 'dorks'. Their voices are kind of annoying too and there's nothing funny about 3 women disappearing. That said...
I also liked how they picked-up on the discrepancies and the map was helpful.