Missouri - The Springfield Three--missing since June 1992 - #10

[Santachrist]

She did know who Suzie was though. She met her and actually talked to her before....

You guys may be "verified" here, but the fact remains, your husband had a very different feeling towards these women in summer of 1992 than he claims now. I am sure he's a "changed man" and whatever.....but he was a suspect! Whether they linked him or not! And he met other suspects. These are trails...leads...

So you know (not just know of, but actually know) both Suzie and Jamie? How else would you know if they met and actually talked before? Please tell us all about this meeting you witnessed.

And since you claim to know what I was thinking and feeling way back in the summer of 92, you must also know me and have been close enough of a friend for me to confess these feelings and thoughts that I don’t remember ever saying, correct?

Don’t think for one second you know anything about me. And don’t ever think you can put words into my mouth. I speak for myself and I do so clearly. I don’t need random internet idiots to reinterpret my words and twist them into rumor or lies.

 

[Santachrist]

She did know who Suzie was though. She met her and actually talked

I’m calling BS on this. You are going to need some kind of backup or source if you are going to make the claim they they met and talked.

 

[SpringfieldMan341]

The outfit Suzie had been wearing graduation night was in a clothes basket in the bathroom. Stacey's clothes were there too.

Yeah I believe the perps came after their arrival but I don’t rule out one that Sherrill trusted (and maybe others coming later?) being over there when the girls arrived. Many possibilities. Nigel swears up and down Suzie didn’t park on that half circle and didn’t want friends to either. So it makes sense if the driveway was blocked and they came from Glenstone direction...

 

[SpringfieldMan341]

Without offending anyone, does someone know how Sherrill may have lived outside of her means a bit?

Suzie’s car was brand new at the time. She got a new waterbed as a gift to Suzie (on credit at MW’s). And a new house all in the same time frame. I don’t believe her clientele spiked nor her rates. With such a fixed income, does anyone know if she saved her money or had some other means of income? It may explain some things. Especially if creditors were hounding her over debt with Don Levitt. She would have needed a big down payment to get a bank to accept a loan...

 

[Santachrist]

Without offending anyone, does someone know how Sherrill may have lived outside of her means a bit?

Suzie’s car was brand new at the time. She got a new waterbed as a gift to Suzie (on credit at MW’s). And a new house all in the same time frame. I don’t believe her clientele spiked nor her rates. With such a fixed income, does anyone know if she saved her money or had some other means of income? It may explain some things. Especially if creditors were hounding her over debt with Don Levitt. She would have needed a big down payment to get a bank to accept a loan...

Didn’t LE look into her finances and find nothing suspicious?

 

[irisheyesofblue]

Without offending anyone, does someone know how Sherrill may have lived outside of her means a bit?

Suzie’s car was brand new at the time. She got a new waterbed as a gift to Suzie (on credit at MW’s). And a new house all in the same time frame. I don’t believe her clientele spiked nor her rates. With such a fixed income, does anyone know if she saved her money or had some other means of income? It may explain some things. Especially if creditors were hounding her over debt with Don Levitt. She would have needed a big down payment to get a bank to accept a loan...

This is all pure speculation. Also back then it took little down payment and the housing market in Springfield then was super cheap.

 

[SpringfieldMan341]

This is all pure speculation. Also back then it took little down payment and the housing market in Springfield then was super cheap.

And income was also super low. Everything is relative.

 

[SpringfieldMan341]

Didn’t LE look into her finances and find nothing suspicious?

Cops disagreed on it actually. Aug 3, 1992 NewsLeader.

 

[irisheyesofblue]

And income was also super low. Everything is relative.

Actually in that industry the income is very close to what it still is today.

 

[SpringfieldMan341]

Actually in that industry the income is very close to what it still is today.

Average today is less than 28k

Average cosmetologist in 1992 made about 22k. And this is nationwide, we all know Springfield is one of the lowest income markets in the country.

Library Guides: Prices and Wages by Decade: 1990-1999

With the assumed debt, Sherrill buying herself a car, and her daughter a brand new car and waterbed as well as a house is a little suspicious. At least warrants further investigation. She also bought the house on a contract arrangement--meaning lots of contractors (electricians, carpenters, etc.) were at the house in the early months. The entire place was rewired in April 1992.

 

[Santachrist]

Cops disagreed on it actually. Aug 3, 1992 NewsLeader.

The quote from the paper says “Concerns to further investigate:
They seem to focus on Levitt and her finances and include: the possibility she was living beyond her means of support...”
Then it ends with: “ Worsham said there are no signs Levitt’s finances are out of order.”

That sounds like there were concerns but they were ruled out.

 

[irisheyesofblue]

Average today is less than 28k

Average cosmetologist in 1992 made about 22k. And this is nationwide, we all know Springfield is one of the lowest income markets in the country.

Library Guides: Prices and Wages by Decade: 1990-1999

With the assumed debt, Sherrill buying herself a car, and her daughter a brand new car and waterbed as well as a house is a little suspicious. At least warrants further investigation. She also bought the house on a contract arrangement--meaning lots of contractors (electricians, carpenters, etc.) were at the house in the early months. The entire place was rewired in April 1992.

Plugged in the info if Sherrill was only making 18,000 back then and in the National averages what the buying power that is today and got $32,850. Statistically buying power is far less now than it was in 92.

U.S. Inflation Rate Calculator- plus Several Other Inflation Calculators

 

[irisheyesofblue]

Average today is less than 28k

Average cosmetologist in 1992 made about 22k. And this is nationwide, we all know Springfield is one of the lowest income markets in the country.

Library Guides: Prices and Wages by Decade: 1990-1999

With the assumed debt, Sherrill buying herself a car, and her daughter a brand new car and waterbed as well as a house is a little suspicious. At least warrants further investigation. She also bought the house on a contract arrangement--meaning lots of contractors (electricians, carpenters, etc.) were at the house in the early months. The entire place was rewired in April 1992.

I’ve never seen that they both bought new cars before. Where did you see that?

 

[SpringfieldMan341]

Plugged in the info if Sherrill was only making 18,000 back then and in the National averages what the buying power that is today and got $32,850. Statistically buying power is far less now than it was in 92.

U.S. Inflation Rate Calculator- plus Several Other Inflation Calculators

Didn't the house cost $44,000 at close? Mortgage rates were ~8.2% in April 1992. Suzie's car was the highest end 1991 Ford Escort (LX or something) which would cost approx. $8,000 depending on mileage. Probably a $125/mo. payment--but I imagine she needed some money down for both that and the water bed. Sorry but 18k, that's pretty tough to squeeze without lots of money moving and extra income.

I’ve never seen that they both bought new cars before. Where did you see that?

Sherrill got her car a couple years before but Suzie's car is very clearly a brand new 1991 Ford Escort LX. Look at the video. They bought it earlier in the year. But Sherrill still had payments on the Eclipse.

I've talked to many KHS grads from that time period, Suzie had one of the nicer cars in school at the time.

 

[irisheyesofblue]

Didn't the house cost $44,000 at close? Mortgage rates were ~8.2% in April 1992. Suzie's car was the highest end 1991 Ford Escort (LX or something) which would cost approx. $8,000 depending on mileage. Probably a $125/mo. payment--but I imagine she needed some money down for both that and the water bed. Sorry but 18k, that's pretty tough to squeeze without lots of money moving and extra income.


Sherrill got her car a couple years before but Suzie's car is very clearly a brand new 1991 Ford Escort LX. Look at the video. They bought it earlier in the year. But Sherrill still had payments on the Eclipse.

I've talked to many KHS grads from that time period, Suzie had one of the nicer cars in school at the time.

Suzie had a job. Buying power was far more back then. It was also investigated. Don’t see an issue. Nothing they bought was extravagant.

 

[flute4peace]

I have things to tie down in my car all the time because I paddle board and kayak. If you transport things normally lots do. Does not mean you have to plan.

Good point. All the men in my family carry ratchet straps in their trucks. Would not have been at all unusual in the Springfield area/culture.

 

[SpringfieldMan341]

Suzie had a job. Buying power was far more back then. It was also investigated. Don’t see an issue. Nothing they bought was extravagant.

It doesn’t matter what buying power was. You can calculate a lot of her bills and she has no disposable income from an 18-20k a year job. Suzie has a job but she had her own set of expenditures and cosmetology school enrollment to consider.

To contrast, Stacy, who also had a job, had an older car—her family with nearly 3x the income of Sherrill.

You’re brushing this aside way too easily. 18k over 12 months is a very small amount. Sherrill paid often with money orders. That’s not something someone with a comfortable income does.

If the motive is silence—meaning dead people can’t talk, then you definitely have to follow the money. The cops thought the same thing. Worsham’s statement hardly rules anything out. Also Mike, the same cops did and said wrong things about you constantly—Worsham’s statement carries that much weight with you?

 

[Santachrist]

It doesn’t matter what buying power was. You can calculate a lot of her bills and she has no disposable income from an 18-20k a year job. Suzie has a job but she had her own set of expenditures and cosmetology school enrollment to consider.

To contrast, Stacy, who also had a job, had an older car—her family with nearly 3x the income of Sherrill.

You’re brushing this aside way too easily. 18k over 12 months is a very small amount. Sherrill paid often with money orders. That’s not something someone with a comfortable income does.

If the motive is silence—meaning dead people can’t talk, then you definitely have to follow the money. The cops thought the same thing. Worsham’s statement hardly rules anything out. Also Mike, the same cops did and said wrong things about you constantly—Worsham’s statement carries that much weight with you?

You sited the article. I just repeated what it says. All of a sudden it’s not reliable? Make up your mind.

Being in debt doesn’t mean she was doing anything dirty. And does that 18 to 20K a year include the tips she undoubtedly made? If not you could add another 8 to 10 grand on that. My dad was able to support our family of 5 on 35K a year in Springfield. I think a single mom and daughter can survive off of around 30K without having to resort to whatever criminal activity you’re suggesting.

 

[irisheyesofblue]

It doesn’t matter what buying power was. You can calculate a lot of her bills and she has no disposable income from an 18-20k a year job. Suzie has a job but she had her own set of expenditures and cosmetology school enrollment to consider.

To contrast, Stacy, who also had a job, had an older car—her family with nearly 3x the income of Sherrill.

You’re brushing this aside way too easily. 18k over 12 months is a very small amount. Sherrill paid often with money orders. That’s not something someone with a comfortable income does.

If the motive is silence—meaning dead people can’t talk, then you definitely have to follow the money. The cops thought the same thing. Worsham’s statement hardly rules anything out. Also Mike, the same cops did and said wrong things about you constantly—Worsham’s statement carries that much weight with you?

I used 18k as an example. I have no idea what she was making. You are basing this on many assumptions. Also in this line of thought what are you presuming? That Sherrill was involved in illegal activity?

 

[Catmommy]

Cosmetologists and hairdressers also typically get tipped cash. Service providers who receive tips are required to report them as income for taxing but many, if not most, do not for obvious reasons. Depending on the time of year - like holidays or even the upcoming graduation of the daughter of a favorite stylist - has the potential to bring even larger cash tips in. There is no way of knowing exactly how much money Sherrill netted at her profession.