Missouri - The Springfield Three--missing since June 1992 - #10

[irisheyesofblue]

You don't know this to be fact. You are not LE, correct? I mean, there was a motive to the statements they made at the 20th anniversary, was there not? I believe LE does indeed know who did this.

I do know that it has been stated that they found nothing.

 

[irisheyesofblue]

Mike, you're a logical guy.

The police did not definitely say what the motive was--just the theory of the moment. Otherwise Todd King and Darrell Moore (2017) and Mark Webb and Allen Neal (2012) would definitely rule people out, right? They all said Cox wasn't ruled out, you+Dusty+Joe weren't ruled out. Then you have Nigel saying she believed the perps were known to the women. So you can draw many motive possibilities from all these LE sponsored statements. There are literally dozens. It's about separating the wheat from the chaff.

I has also been stated that Mike and Dusty were ruled out, both publicly and privately.

 

[SpringfieldMan341]

I do know that it has been stated that they found nothing.

I don't believe everything I read in the papers. I take it into consideration then investigate it for myself.

It's fine if you don't agree that her finances played a role. I do think it MAY have. In the scheme of things--it may be a lead to something. A piece of the puzzle.

 

[cherrymeg]

Mike, you're a logical guy.

The police did not definitely say what the motive was--just the theory of the moment. Otherwise Todd King and Darrell Moore (2017) and Mark Webb and Allen Neal (2012) would definitely rule people out, right? They all said Cox wasn't ruled out, you+Dusty+Joe weren't ruled out. Then you have Nigel saying she believed the perps were known to the women. So you can draw many motive possibilities from all these LE sponsored statements. There are literally dozens. It's about separating the wheat from the chaff.

How should someone take this?

 

[Betty P]

Or it simply just wasn't reported. A lot of things weren't as the media frenzy came to a halt and the police chief began to get concerned with the oversharing.

I dunno. I think that would have come out at some time, especially after all these years. It would have been important to the investigation and in generating tips, JMO. My guess is that money orders to pay bills with cash was just a way of avoiding reporting tip income to the IRS.

The only suspicion I've had about drugs in this case is the possibility the kids or their friends interacted with dangerous people when trying to procure something for all the partying that night. Perhaps there were some dangerous folks trolling around the parties, looking for customers, saw these pretty girls and decided to follow them home.

 

[SpringfieldMan341]

I dunno. I think that would have come out at some time, especially after all these years. It would have been important to the investigation and in generating tips, JMO. My guess is that money orders to pay bills with cash was just a way of avoiding reporting tip income to the IRS.

The only suspicion I've had about drugs in this case is the possibility the kids or their friends interacted with dangerous people when trying to procure something for all the partying that night. Perhaps there were some dangerous folks trolling around the parties, looking for customers, saw these pretty girls and decided to follow them home.

I think this was planned long before the parties that night. The only thing that wasn't planned for was Stacy, IMO.

Just my opinion.

 

[cherrymeg]

I don't believe everything I read in the papers. I take it into consideration then investigate it for myself.

It's fine if you don't agree that her finances played a role. I do think it MAY have. In the scheme of things--it may be a lead to something. A piece of the puzzle.

How and why do you believe that? I don't want a break down of Sherrills finances I want to know what makes you think they are important. Or are you just arguing to argue?

 

[SpringfieldMan341]

How and why do you believe that? I don't want a break down of Sherrills finances I want to know what makes you think they are important. Or are you just arguing to argue?

Outside money always warrants further investigation. I'm all for Sherrill getting money and skirting the IRS. If you read what I say, I am not concerned with any of that. Just that someone or some operation that she is benefiting from might have concerns. I.E. Suzie talking to the cops. It's not about her statement (the one Mike has seen/has in his posession)--it's about what she could potentially say in a court room when examined and cross-examined by an attorney in court.

 

[irisheyesofblue]

What are you talking about? When?

Again what is the purpose of this? You obviously have a reason for wanting to go down this line of thought. Why besides you find it curious we don’t find what you see as odd? Instead of arguing put out why you think this is important in more concrete terms. Are you saying you think she was involved in illegal activity? Getting “help” from not illegal means would not be hidden. You keep dancing about, but everyone knows what you are dancing around while stating things as fact that you have no idea about. In 24 hrs you changed her wages three times. First posted just the average, next my example, and then 16k. Still feels like you are trying to force something.

 

[SpringfieldMan341]

Again what is the purpose of this? You obviously have a reason for wanting to go down this line of thought. Why besides you find it curious we don’t find what you see as odd? Instead of arguing put out why you think this is important in more concrete terms. Are you saying you think she was involved in illegal activity? Getting “help” from not illegal means would not be hidden. You keep dancing about, but everyone knows what you are dancing around while stating things as fact that you have no idea about. In 24 hrs you changed her wages three times. First posted just the average, next my example, and then 16k. Still feels like you are trying to force something.

Read the post before yours. And I have not changed her income, I was first using a public source that I thought was reasonable. I don't know her baseline income (the one before tips--only reported), but, I know what she didn't make from haircutting, unless you believe she was tipped 100% or something a lot.

 

[cherrymeg]

Outside money always warrants further investigation. I'm all for Sherrill getting money and skirting the IRS. If you read what I say, I am not concerned with any of that. Just that someone or some operation that she is benefiting from might have concerns. I.E. Suzie talking to the cops. It's not about her statement (the one Mike has seen/has in his posession)--it's about what she could potentially say in a court room when examined and cross-examined by an attorney in court.

That doesn't make sense. You grasping, man. Sherrill could have had write offs or deductions and if she rented a chair she was possibly an independent contractor, if she wasn't she still wasn't killed over how she was paid. When you disappear or get killed that draws attention to your finances.

 

[SpringfieldMan341]

That doesn't make sense. You grasping, man. Sherrill could have had write offs or deductions and if she rented a chair she was possibly an independent contractor, if she wasn't she still wasn't killed over how she was paid. When you disappear or get killed that draws attention to your finances.

Agree to disagree then. I'm open to hearing your theory.

I do think it played a role. Maybe just a small one.

Care to comment on the statement about Suzie testifying in court? Could that be a motive for some of these fringe people (Garrison level and beyond) to want to harm the women?

 

[irisheyesofblue]

Read the post before yours. And I have not changed her income, I was first using a public source that I thought was reasonable. I don't know her baseline income (the one before tips--only reported), but, I know what she didn't make from haircutting, unless you believe she was tipped 100% or something a lot.

You have changed it. I’ll give you the first you just said national average, but then you said 18k and now 16k. That I saw changing it.

 

[irisheyesofblue]

Agree to disagree then. I'm open to hearing your theory.

I do think it played a role. Maybe just a small one.

Care to comment on the statement about Suzie testifying in court? Could that be a motive for some of these fringe people (Garrison level and beyond) to want to harm the women?

According to the complete case file she was NOT on the list to testify in court. Actually the only person that made a statement that was on the list was Joe and he took a plea deal to do it. Also verified in the case file.

 

[jewelsmac]

I will start with the fact that I’ve simply read the threadS on this case and have no actual knowledge of anything that happened, so this is all just my opinion. If Sherrill never had a checking account, then the payment of bills with money orders seems like it would be her normal. As a previous poster stated perhaps she just didn’t trust banks. If she had a checking account, but had started paying her bills with money orders , That does seem odd. It COULD be because she was using tips to pay for these bills and did not want to declare the income. But it COULD be something else. Not saying it IS something else saying it COULD be something else. what that something else is, is anyone’s guess. And truthfully, isn’t that what we’re all doing here, guessing.

 

[SpringfieldMan341]

According to the complete case file she was NOT on the list to testify in court. Actually the only person that made a statement that was on the list was Joe and he took a plea deal to do it. Also verified in the case file.

There was never a chance for a lawyer to call her as a witness. She 100% could have been called as a witness.

There's also a chance the perps didn't know the intricacies of the criminal justice system.

 

[jewelsmac]

With the disappearance of these three women, two of them girls really, why wouldn’t you want to explore every single possibility. Even if that possibility might call into question someone’s actions prior to their disappearance. Doesn’t make her a bad person, just mean she might’ve fallen into something she didn’t mean to. No one knows what happened in that room except for the person who did this. I understand the compulsion of the folks who knew her personally, some people on this thread, who do not want to see her reputation tarnished. That is as it should be. But it’s been an awfully long time, there need to be some answers. Seems like an awful lot of mistakes were made in this investigation ,from an outsiders view.

 

[SpringfieldMan341]

A big wall that keeps happening here is that because we attack potentially dangerous men in Sherrill and Suzie's background--it means we're victim blaming. It definitely isn't. These women did not deserve to be abducted and killed.

Get over that. This is a case that we're trying to solve. It's okay to get transparent about everything surrounding them. We need to dive into every background.

 

[cherrymeg]

With the disappearance of these three women, two of them girls really, why wouldn’t you want to explore every single possibility. Even if that possibility might call into question someone’s actions prior to their disappearance. Doesn’t make her a bad person, just mean she might’ve fallen into something she didn’t mean to. No one knows what happened in that room except for the person who did this. I understand the compulsion of the folks who knew her personally, some people on this thread, who do not want to see her reputation tarnished. That is as it should be. But it’s been an awfully long time, there need to be some answers. Seems like an awful lot of mistakes were made in this investigation ,from an outsiders view.

Sometimes it seems lie people want Sherrill or Suzie to have done something wrong so people don't have to realize that three women can go missing based on chance. You run into the wrong person or you make one bad decision and your life is over the same day you graduate.

 

[SpringfieldMan341]

Sometimes it seems lie people want Sherrill or Suzie to have done something wrong so people don't have to realize that three women can go missing based on chance. You run into the wrong person or you make one bad decision and your life is over the same day you graduate.

No one is saying the women did anything wrong.

Only the dangerous men in their life did.