Missouri - The Springfield Three--missing since June 1992 - #7

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No secret the family had quibbled with a member just beforehand. No secret a trial was in the offing involving a family member's testimony against one-time associates. No secret drugs were involved with that. No stretch to say those on trial weren't hooked with heavier outlaws in the community, who controlled drug traffic. No secret that the woman who said she spotted a kidnap victim in a van was said to be married to an auto yard owner. No secret that bodies have disappeared in the jaws of auto crushers for ages: was the woman trying to signal a darker truth?

Ew....
and I never heard she (kidnap victim 'spotter') was married to an auto (salvage) yard owner. Interesting....

LE had to go to an auto (salvage) yard to replicate the van (with the split front window). Was that her husband's? :eek:
 
Do you think the woman made up the van sighting?

I have never given the sighting any credit personally and I think it derailed the case for awhile.

Why would the perp-perps take the risk of letting one of the woman drive?

Also with the engine running how on earth would the witness of heard the kidnapper say “don’t do anything stupid”?!
 
Do you think the woman made up the van sighting?

I have never given the sighting any credit personally and I think it derailed the case for awhile.

Why would the perp-perps take the risk of letting one of the woman drive?

Also with the engine running how on earth would the witness of heard the kidnapper say “don’t do anything stupid”?!

I agree with every word in your post, I don't believe that the woman saw the van and definitely didn't saw Suzie or heard one of the kidnappers gives orders to Suzie.

Why the woman told that's story, that's an interesting question.
 
I have long felt that this case had family components and friendship components which turned very sour and facilitated the deaths.

Someone knew too much and three women died, as a result.

definitely the connection of some characters who were in touch with Susie and Sherrill (or with one of them) led to the heinous crime,
even if these characters were not directly involved in the crime or in all the aspects of the crime/

I believe the crime has been committed
in order to silenced Suzie and Sherrill.
 
I agree with every word in your post, I don't believe that the woman saw the van and definitely didn't saw Suzie or heard one of the kidnappers gives orders to Suzie.

Why the woman told that's story, that's an interesting question.

What she said she heard (from the rear) is so....scripted. In fact so much so, IMO, it has to be a lie. If I remember correctly, SPD thought the same thing and they referred the phrase to a 'Dirty Harry' movie script.
I'd like to hear more about her and her possible connection to a Spfld area auto (salvage) yard.
 
The Springfield Police Dept must have believed that the woman who saw the green van was credible enough for them to purchase a green van of the same make and year that she described and park it in front of their police station in hopes of someone recognizing it....
 
The Springfield Police Dept must have believed that the woman who saw the green van was credible enough for them to purchase a green van of the same make and year that she described and park it in front of their police station in hopes of someone recognizing it....

'Kat'? Her version sounds credible to me also.
 
For the life of me I can’t imagine why the neighbor would make up seeing the van. I wouldn’t want LE disclosing my identity for obvious reasons. I think her credibility was based on her husband or family owning a used car lot or salvage yard.
The waitress at George’s said they were in the restaurant about the time they would’ve gotten to Sherill’s from Janelle’s but LE was dismissive when no one else recalled seeing them-which I get-but the restaurant was supposedly busy that night and I can’t help wondering how thoroughly LE looked into her claim. Did they track down other patrons or just ask other waitresses who would’ve been focused only on their tables?
It’s not uncommon to go to a diner after a night of drinking.
 
The Springfield Police Dept must have believed that the woman who saw the green van was credible enough for them to purchase a green van of the same make and year that she described and park it in front of their police station in hopes of someone recognizing it....


Well as far as we know that Green Van sighting didn’t bring in any clues and wasted valuable time.


It’s intriguing to me that LE brought this van sighting as credible when it sounds laughable (if the witness hadn’t heard them speak I would believe it a lot more) but the sighting at the restaurant where the woman would of been known and easily recognised was discredited.
 
Was there ever any kind of timeline confirmed as to when Suzie last saw Sherill prior to the parties? The sighting at the restaurant is pretty specific, and I think it's possible that the three women went there sometime that evening - it actually sounds reasonable that Sherill would take the girls for dinner after the graduation. If Suzie was upset that day (as is often reported), taking her to a familiar, friendly restaurant would seem like a good idea to raise her spirits.

As for the van sighting - is it completely incomprehensible to believe the perp forced Suzie to drive? The whole speech that was heard does sound completely cliche for what the average person would believe a hostage/kidnap situation to be, but it's hard to completely discredit it either way. One abductor may have wanted to subdue the two other women, but more than one perp and there's no way any of them were going to be put behind the wheel. I have no idea how those vans were designed, either - especially in terms of the divide between the driver/passenger seats and the back portion. It's very likely the sightings are genuine, but perhaps with a little fiction added into the mix. One thing we can be sure of is that the van would've attracted little attention at that hour on a Sunday morning - even in the summer.
 
When disappearances happen there are always "sightings" by people who really want to help but are sadly mistaken. It happens in every single case. Memory is a dicey thing. Some people feel compelled to do something. Some do seek attention. Others simply really think they saw the missing person when they didn't. Have you ever mistaken a stranger for a friend? It happens. I think people really wanted to help solve this disappearance but may have been mistaken in their eagerness to assist.
 
I've mentioned this before but that "van" was extremely ugly and unquestionably unique. If someone in my neighborhood or town drove that thing I'd most definitely recall it. And there was no creditable leads or tips. Also the witness waited a couple of weeks to report the sighting and had to undergo hypnosis to recall the details. The fact that LE had openly accepted and investigated tips from every nutty Medium and Psychic in the Ozarks that had a "dream" or "vision" doesn't give any assurance of "vetting" and that this lead was at all credible.
 
Was there ever any kind of timeline confirmed as to when Suzie last saw Sherill prior to the parties? The sighting at the restaurant is pretty specific, and I think it's possible that the three women went there sometime that evening - it actually sounds reasonable that Sherill would take the girls for dinner after the graduation. If Suzie was upset that day (as is often reported), taking her to a familiar, friendly restaurant would seem like a good idea to raise her spirits.

As for the van sighting - is it completely incomprehensible to believe the perp forced Suzie to drive? The whole speech that was heard does sound completely cliche for what the average person would believe a hostage/kidnap situation to be, but it's hard to completely discredit it either way. One abductor may have wanted to subdue the two other women, but more than one perp and there's no way any of them were going to be put behind the wheel. I have no idea how those vans were designed, either - especially in terms of the divide between the driver/passenger seats and the back portion. It's very likely the sightings are genuine, but perhaps with a little fiction added into the mix. One thing we can be sure of is that the van would've attracted little attention at that hour on a Sunday morning - even in the summer.

I have always believed that if the abductor threatened to harm Suzie that Sherril would obey his commands and vice versa......It could be possible that as Suzie drove the van that the abductor had a gun or knife pointed at Sherrill......Stacy would have been a poor choice to drive the van as she did not have a lot at stake if she drove off the road or into a house to get away ...I am sure she cared for Sherrill and Suzie but would not have had the bond that Sherrill and Suzie had.....I guess that the abductor could have restrained all three of the women and could have driven the van himself ....Personally , I believe the lady who says she saw the green van pull into her neighbors drive and don't blame her at all for not coming forward with that information any sooner than she did , she may have feared retaliation by the 3MW abductor(s) and had to work up the nerve to come forward....
 
there has to be a connection to something as to why this all happened.
the odds that some random weirdo could detain and murder 3 young vivacious women like a boogie man leaving no trace is ludicrous to me.

the logic follows suzie was the target and her friend and her mum defended her.

also the logic follows suzie was upset earlier.

the logic follows a sudden change of plans by the graduating girls to end partying and go home.

the logic also follows suzie was about to give testimony in an upcoming trial of an ex boyfriend.


the behaviour the next day of all the people frequenting the home of sherrill is unfortunate and has intentionally or unintentionally muddied the predicament.

what happened at the party!!!!!!!
 
Suzy and Stacy had probably been drinking. Cops were probably out and about, drinking and driving is dangerous, so it’s odd no one insisted they stay or no one’s parents offered to follow them home. If they did no one mentioned it. I mean, Janelle’s mom did say she heard them leave.
That no one said they worried about them leaving at that hour, possibly drunk, makes me think there was a falling during the course of the evening.
It makes no sense that when Janelle didn’t get an answer at Sherrill’s, she had Mike drive her there to go to the water park with them, but they left and went to a different park. Why did they go over there again?
It might’ve been luckiest serial killer or luckiest pervert alive but I think something started at a party.
 

Janielle saying “They said they were going to the other girls house”

Is that not a very weird way to refer to your friend and if they wasn’t thay close then why on earth would you walk into a their house the following morning uninvited?

She also seems very passive agessive to me!
 

Janielle saying “They said they were going to the other girls house”

Is that not a very weird way to refer to your friend and if they wasn’t thay close then why on earth would you walk into a their house the following morning uninvited?

She also seems very passive agessive to me!
my hinky metre is alarmed at this too :-(

something happened that made suzie and stacy leave and within half an hour or so (guess work) of them getting home they were attacked.

just enough time to have left an uneasy situation to then have that uneasy situation follow you home to continue it.
jmo
 
The things that dont add up to me in this case are.

1) Porch lady as let’ be honest I think that the majority of people who saw what she claimed to see would go inside and call the police straight away. You see a distressed young woman driving and you hear a voice threaten the woman who you can’t even see and you do absolutely nothing for at least a week. How cold hearted is she?

2) Janelle entire behavior is bonkers, never been to the house before but it’s perfectly normal to let yourself in , rummage around , answer the phone , tidy up and then seeing that everything looks like people should be home and are not you think “great let’s go to the water park” without another thought. Is this really logical?

3) If Sherrill Levit is the target the perp has a window of about 3 hours give or take. Do sexual predators really take that long to rape/kill victims as I would of thought it was a get in and get out as quickly as possible?

4) If Suzie is the target because of the up and coming trial then why involve her mum and friend , if you see 3 cars at the home surely if you are only after Suzie then you would abort the plan until she is alone?

5) If this is a random sexual predator that followed the girls home then when you see the girls are not home alone because of the extra car why would you continue with the plan as it would become to risky?

6) Who knew about the change in plans with the girls at the last minute deciding to go home , I’m guessing it’s not a large amount of people.

7) The window of opportunity before it got light is quite small. The Girls would of gotten home just before 3am. Then to get their bags inside , greet the dog one would assume and then settle down and get to bed you would say it would be about 3.30. So that leaves 2 hours before it’s light.

8) Cinnamon I think would of also given the game away if something was amiss in the house when the girls walked in. So if Sherrill had company over and it went south then the Yorkie would of been agitated and barked and the girls would of known straight away something was wrong. Yet they got undressed, had time to take off make up and get into bed which to me indicates nothing was amiss when they got home.

So the whole crime to me is weird , i have always felt it was the grave diggers with somebody higher up pulling the strings. But why would you risk kidnapping 3 woman instead of just Suzie who would of been a lot easier to snatch by herself at some point and it would of caused a lot less of a outcry?

I would also like to know if Janelle or if Mike knew the grave diggers as Suzie did date one of them so did they hang around in the same social circle for awhile?!
 
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I mulled Janelles strange comment of “the other girl” around in my head for ages and came to the conclusion it was her way of disassociating herself from Suzie, especially in front of cameras for a documentary... who knows who could be watching ? imo Janelle and Mike had a good idea who was involved in the disappearance and were fearful
 
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