Missouri - The Springfield Three--missing since June 1992 - #8

[Betty P]

I’m just going to state my final conclusion and I won’t attempt to debate it further.

I believe it was a single male predator who knew police procedure and once he rendered the women defenseless, he staged the crime to confuse everyone.

He was also extremely lucky the crime scene was so contaminated by people coming to the house. It was a perfect storm.

I do not believe this is some grand conspiracy. The person I suspect has openly stated he is always armed. I was informed the perp had a gun and wore a hat. There was DNA found but unidentified. My suspect has no DNA on file.

He lived and worked some distance from Springfield but round trip was within one day’s driving distance. My trusted source viewed him at his place of employment and had tracked him over a ten year period.

The suspect has no criminal history.

That the police mishandled the case is proven by the prosecutors’s own assertions. But they didn’t do it.

BBM.

This could be easily solved if the police submit the DNA for phenotyping and familial DNA analysis. Why haven't they done that?

 

[Missouri Mule]

I thought they were talking to guys in western style clothing. What kind of clothing would that be?

BBM.

This could be easily solved if the police submit the DNA for phenotyping and familial DNA analysis. Why haven't they done that?

To my knowledge his DNA is not on file anywhere. And I do not believe has any criminal history before or after these murders.

I looked at him closely last night and he has lived in numerous locations. This makes me also tend to believe this was his only crime.

In order for any DNA to have meaning there must be some.

I have my DNA on file at Ancestry, MyHeritage and 23andme as I do genealogical work. If I were involved in a crime it should be relatively easy to identify me.

My assumption is that there was no DNA to be found or it was destroyed by the poor decisions by friends and family.

 

[cherrymeg]

To my knowledge his DNA is not on file anywhere. And I do not believe has any criminal history before or after these murders.

I looked at him closely last night and he has lived in numerous locations. This makes me also tend to believe this was his only crime.

In order for any DNA to have meaning there must be some.

I have my DNA on file at Ancestry, MyHeritage and 23andme as I do genealogical work. If I were involved in a crime it should be relatively easy to identify me.

My assumption is that there was no DNA to be found or it was destroyed by the poor decisions by friends and family.

Why only once? I'm curious as to why you don't think he committed any other crimes.

 

[Brubeck]

Why only once? I'm curious as to why you don't think he committed any other crimes.

Me too.

 

[HmmWhoKnows]

Do we know if Nigel went to at any of the parties that night?

She did not.

She came over around 6:30pm I believe with a graduation cake and her boyfriend James Cornelison (she later married and divorced him, they have a daughter named Suzie) was present too. It was just before Suzie set off to go to the parties.

Attached the photo taken hours before the disappearance. At 1717 Delmar.

 

[HmmWhoKnows]

I'm not one to usually defend police. Why do you think there is a cover up?

I don't necessarily think that, but I do have to ask:

Why do we always hear "disappeared without a trace?"

Who is the biggest road block when trying to solve this 26 year old case? Whose fault is the lack of evidence?

And why is so little revealed about what is known evidence wise? Why were only ex cons looked at?

 

[Missouri Mule]

Why only once? I'm curious as to why you don't think he committed any other crimes.

Because he has not been caught.

This case is unique in criminal history. After 26 years and with all the speculation, no one really has risen to the top of suspects. If there were other crimes some of those would start showing up on police databases.

It is plausible there may be DNA on file from military service but I don’t know if they share any DNA to police databases. It might be worth a look.

If we were looking at a serial killer they tend to “burn-out” over time.

A spree killer doesn’t stay on the loose very long.

Most criminals are not very bright but not all.

In this case he was either very careful or it was blind luck.

An interesting aside is that in addition to the yard light and the porch light being on the same switch is that the storm door and the inside front door swung in opposite directions. It would seem that it would be difficult to force one’s way into the house. It suggests as first postulated that the perp was someone that was trusted. The first theories were of multiple perps with someone duped to be involved and would probably roll.

The latest police statement is that of a “kidnapper.” That is one person. We know that Suzie’s blinds were cracked as though she were looking out for someone she may have known.

If that were true, is it not feasible that Suzie met a “friendly stranger” who she trusted enough to open the door?

It is my impression that most believe it was someone that was known for some time before that night.

But I ask anyone here. Who lets someone in the house at 3:30AM or would go outside to meet this new ‘friend.’

The other theory that makes sense is that a police officer would be trusted. But if that were true, other officers would have likely smelled a rat by now.

I think one unknown male predator.

Could I be wrong — of course.

 

[MooseMeMuch]

I apologise as for some reason I thought Sherrill’s home was the last house with just a business complex next door which nobody would of been at because it was early hours of the morning.

I assumed because the house was so far back it would of been the last house on the street.

Also because it was so far back it’s a odd house for a random sexual predator to sumble across. A lot bigger nicer homes in that vacuity that would draw the eye. imo

There are 2 businesses that sit b/t the house and Glenstone Ave. (business 65).
There is a wooden fence on the east side of the house (Delmar runs east/west).
It's the first house on the right hand side, just off of Glenstone (which runs North and South straight through town as in busy street!)
The house is 'tucked back' from the road, with a circle drive out front. I'm sure they could hear traffic noises when outside.
I posted an amateur video on Thread #7.
I just can't see this as a random attack but then again....80% likelihood they knew their murderer(s)...but there's still that 20% chance of randomness.

 

[MooseMeMuch]

I thought serial killers could not stop....the only way they actually 'stop' is they die or get caught and incarcerated.

Now BTK stopped for at least 10 years. I read a book about him but can't recall as to why he took a 10 year hiatus, I think it had something to do with his wife 'catching him' hanging around (bad pun) in their bathroom and she said cease and desist or else.
Then of course he picked back up again....joy.

 

[Betty P]

To my knowledge his DNA is not on file anywhere. And I do not believe has any criminal history before or after these murders.

I looked at him closely last night and he has lived in numerous locations. This makes me also tend to believe this was his only crime.

In order for any DNA to have meaning there must be some.

I have my DNA on file at Ancestry, MyHeritage and 23andme as I do genealogical work. If I were involved in a crime it should be relatively easy to identify me.

My assumption is that there was no DNA to be found or it was destroyed by the poor decisions by friends and family.

It could be handled in the same way as the Golden State Killer. Submit the DNA to an open source family tree/DNA database. Find close relatives, then build the connection to the killer through genealogical research and information about the suspect and crimes. When they get a probable name, they can go to a judge and get a search warrant to secretively collect his DNA. With the GSK, they got his DNA from the fingerprint on his car and a discarded item. They can follow the perp and get his DNA from a discarded water bottle, napkin, etc.

With DNA phenotyping, they can submit their existing evidence sample from the crime scene for special analysis that produces a picture of how the suspect looked at the time. Here's a link to Parabon, a company that does this kind of work

Parabon® Snapshot® DNA Analysis Service - Powered by Parabon NanoLabs

 

[cherrymeg]

I don't necessarily think that, but I do have to ask:

Why do we always hear "disappeared without a trace?"

Who is the biggest road block when trying to solve this 26 year old case? Whose fault is the lack of evidence?

And why is so little revealed about what is known evidence wise? Why were only ex cons looked at?

Ex cons are always looked at. It's like when they assume because a serial killer was in an area they are responsible for all crimes committed there.

 

[cherrymeg]

I thought serial killers could not stop....the only way they actually 'stop' is they die or get caught and incarcerated.

Now BTK stopped for at least 10 years. I read a book about him but can't recall as to why he took a 10 year hiatus, I think it had something to do with his wife 'catching him' hanging around (bad pun) in their bathroom and she said cease and desist or else.
Then of course he picked back up again....joy.

Some serial killers seem to have control at times it seems like it's times when their life is going well. Like if they are busy with a family and a job they might not have time or want to risk that with murder.

 

[flute4peace]

Because he has not been caught.

This case is unique in criminal history. After 26 years and with all the speculation, no one really has risen to the top of suspects. If there were other crimes some of those would start showing up on police databases.

It is plausible there may be DNA on file from military service but I don’t know if they share any DNA to police databases. It might be worth a look.

If we were looking at a serial killer they tend to “burn-out” over time.

A spree killer doesn’t stay on the loose very long.

Most criminals are not very bright but not all.

In this case he was either very careful or it was blind luck.

An interesting aside is that in addition to the yard light and the porch light being on the same switch is that the storm door and the inside front door swung in opposite directions. It would seem that it would be difficult to force one’s way into the house. It suggests as first postulated that the perp was someone that was trusted. The first theories were of multiple perps with someone duped to be involved and would probably roll.

The latest police statement is that of a “kidnapper.” That is one person. We know that Suzie’s blinds were cracked as though she were looking out for someone she may have known.

If that were true, is it not feasible that Suzie met a “friendly stranger” who she trusted enough to open the door?

It is my impression that most believe it was someone that was known for some time before that night.

But I ask anyone here. Who lets someone in the house at 3:30AM or would go outside to meet this new ‘friend.’

The other theory that makes sense is that a police officer would be trusted. But if that were true, other officers would have likely smelled a rat by now.

I think one unknown male predator.

Could I be wrong — of course.

Have you been able to find any connection between your suspect and the victims, or any of the presumed tips/clues? Ie van, the steakhouse, beauty shop, extended families etc.

 

[cherrymeg]

Because he has not been caught.

This case is unique in criminal history. After 26 years and with all the speculation, no one really has risen to the top of suspects. If there were other crimes some of those would start showing up on police databases.

It is plausible there may be DNA on file from military service but I don’t know if they share any DNA to police databases. It might be worth a look.

If we were looking at a serial killer they tend to “burn-out” over time.

A spree killer doesn’t stay on the loose very long.

Most criminals are not very bright but not all.

In this case he was either very careful or it was blind luck.

An interesting aside is that in addition to the yard light and the porch light being on the same switch is that the storm door and the inside front door swung in opposite directions. It would seem that it would be difficult to force one’s way into the house. It suggests as first postulated that the perp was someone that was trusted. The first theories were of multiple perps with someone duped to be involved and would probably roll.

The latest police statement is that of a “kidnapper.” That is one person. We know that Suzie’s blinds were cracked as though she were looking out for someone she may have known.

If that were true, is it not feasible that Suzie met a “friendly stranger” who she trusted enough to open the door?

It is my impression that most believe it was someone that was known for some time before that night.

But I ask anyone here. Who lets someone in the house at 3:30AM or would go outside to meet this new ‘friend.’

The other theory that makes sense is that a police officer would be trusted. But if that were true, other officers would have likely smelled a rat by now.

I think one unknown male predator.

Could I be wrong — of course.

"Kidnapper" could be a way for witnesses or people to come forward and at least believe they aren't going to be charged with something. Just a thought.

 

[flute4peace]

To my knowledge his DNA is not on file anywhere. And I do not believe has any criminal history before or after these murders.

I looked at him closely last night and he has lived in numerous locations. This makes me also tend to believe this was his only crime.

In order for any DNA to have meaning there must be some.

I have my DNA on file at Ancestry, MyHeritage and 23andme as I do genealogical work. If I were involved in a crime it should be relatively easy to identify me.

My assumption is that there was no DNA to be found or it was destroyed by the poor decisions by friends and family.

By your last paragraph do you mean no suspect DNA at the scene or no DNA available from your suspect?

 

[Missouri Mule]

I thought serial killers could not stop....the only way they actually 'stop' is they die or get caught and incarcerated.

Now BTK stopped for at least 10 years. I read a book about him but can't recall as to why he took a 10 year hiatus, I think it had something to do with his wife 'catching him' hanging around (bad pun) in their bathroom and she said cease and desist or else.

Then of course he picked back up again....joy.

BTK was relatively young when he got caught. Bundy was young but lost his bearings at the last. He was depraved to the core.

The “Golden State Killer’ was 73 when the caught him. His last crime was in 1986, 31 years ago. He was an ex-cop.

 

[cherrymeg]

BTK was relatively young when he got caught. Bundy was young but lost his bearings at the last. He was depraved to the core.

The “Golden State Killer’ was 73 when the caught him. His last crime was in 1986, 31 years ago. He was an ex-cop.

Making it to a certain age might mean a decreased sex drive which if sex goes with murder, you might not feel the need to kill as much.

 

[Missouri Mule]

By your last paragraph do you mean no suspect DNA at the scene or no DNA available from your suspect?

My source said there was DNA at the scene but I don’t believe there is DNA from the perp on file, so there is nothing to match it to. Using the Golden State Killer as an example, if there are any relatives of the perp it could match him up but I have reason to believe there are no relatives of his with DNA on file.

 

[Missouri Mule]

On the subject of DNA, it demonstrably works. I have discovered two first cousins I had no idea even existed. I also found that I am 15% Native American.

This seems far fetched but I have a very distant relative was who King Louis XVI of France. Most will recall that he and his wife Marie Antoinette met their end with the “French National Razor.” I am also 7% French.

 

[Missouri Mule]

Have you been able to find any connection between your suspect and the victims, or any of the presumed tips/clues? Ie van, the steakhouse, beauty shop, extended families etc.

None whatsoever.