Missouri - The Springfield Three--missing since June 1992 - #8

[cherrymeg]

Finally, I worked with one of the police officers who searched the river and banks around the James River. He didn't know anything and I asked him several times. I also worked with another LE official who had an inside into the investigation and said it was "unsolvable" because the crime scene was contaminated. I argued and argued to no avail.

It is so frustrating.”

This is a horrible attitude for someone in LE to have.

 

[Betty P]

So you think LE should of contacted every single person Sherrill ever came into contact with?

I thought I read that Sherrill had over 200 clients so that’s a hell of a lot of man power you would need to question over 200 people who more than likely didn’t have anything to do with the crime.

Mule said there was very few men in the Rolodex as well.

But we do agree on the fact that type of van was a red herring and the colour of it.

JMO, it would have been a good idea to contact as many regular customers as possible. They might not be suspects, but perhaps they saw someone suspicious come into the shop or overheard a conversation, phone call, etc. The salon was Sherrill's workplace for many years, she spent a lot of time there.

 

[cherrymeg]

JMO, it would have been a good idea to contact as many regular customers as possible. They might not be suspects, but perhaps they saw someone suspicious come into the shop or overheard a conversation, phone call, etc. The salon was Sherrill's workplace for many years, she spent a lot of time there.

I believe someone suggested lewd phone calls weren't personal but possibly something that was happening to a lot of people in town. It would be interesting to know if she received any weird calls at work.

 

[Betty P]

I saw this quote from a friend ken suzies



I thought Suzie was planning to go to Branson that night and stay in a hotel so why was she so delayed in cancelling plans with her other friends. It seems like she cancelled with them very last minute which makes no sense if she was planning to spend the night in a hotel?

Who confirmed the Branson hotel story as it seems like so many plans changed that night?

I agree. It ultimately may not be relevant, but I can't help but wonder why so many plans were changed in days prior and that day and night. I'm still not certain exactly what all those changes mean, but it seems relevant.

 

[asyousay]

I agree. It ultimately may not be relevant, but I can't help but wonder why so many plans were changed in days prior and that day and night. I'm still not certain exactly what all those changes mean, but it seems relevant.

Yes the story we have been told about that night is very convoluted.

I can see why if LE believe Janelle story that Sherrill can realistically be the only target.

Because some facts we have are..

1)Suzie had plans with other friends and ditched them last minute.

2)Suzie was supposedly staying in a hotel in Branson despite having plans with a completely different set of friends.

3)Branson plans were changed and they was staying at one of the homes were one of the parties were held.

4) Stacey and Suzie never apparently hung out together by themselves.

5) Stacey told her mum she was not going to Branson and was spending the night at Janelle’s.

6) Then the house they was staying at changed their mind so back to Janelles.

7) Then Stacey and Suzie decided to spend the night back at Suzie’s house.

Seriously it was Graduation night and it seems like half the night was spent on who would stay where

You could get whip lash from the way theee girls changed their mind that night.

 

[cherrymeg]

Yes the story we have been told about that night is very convoluted.

I can see why if LE believe Janelle story that Sherrill can realistically be the only target.

Because some facts we have are..

1)Suzie had plans with other friends and ditched them last minute.

2)Suzie was supposedly staying in a hotel in Branson despite having plans with a completely different set of friends.

3)Branson plans were changed and they was staying at one of the homes were one of the parties were held.

4) Stacey and Suzie never apparently hung out together by themselves.

5) Stacey told her mum she was not going to Branson and was spending the night at Janelle’s.

6) Then the house they was staying at changed their mind so back to Janelles.

7) Then Stacey and Suzie decided to spend the night back at Suzie’s house.

Seriously it was Graduation night and it seems like half the night was spent on who would stay where

You could get whip lash from the way theee girls changed their mind that night.

I think Suzie and Stacy were closer than Janelle or Janis suggests or something happened that made them want to leave the house they were supposed to stay at. With Sherrill missing there is no one to say why they chose to stay at Suzie's. Maybe that is why she is missing too.

 

[Betty P]

Yes the story we have been told about that night is very convoluted.

I can see why if LE believe Janelle story that Sherrill can realistically be the only target.

Because some facts we have are..

1)Suzie had plans with other friends and ditched them last minute.

2)Suzie was supposedly staying in a hotel in Branson despite having plans with a completely different set of friends.

3)Branson plans were changed and they was staying at one of the homes were one of the parties were held.

4) Stacey and Suzie never apparently hung out together by themselves.

5) Stacey told her mum she was not going to Branson and was spending the night at Janelle’s.

6) Then the house they was staying at changed their mind so back to Janelles.

7) Then Stacey and Suzie decided to spend the night back at Suzie’s house.

Seriously it was Graduation night and it seems like half the night was spent on who would stay where

You could get whip lash from the way theee girls changed their mind that night.

Yeah, the focus on Sherrill seems possible, but:

How would anyone targeting Sherrill know about the plans of the girls that night and the next day? Seems unlikely they would be moving in the same social circle as the teens. Who would know about the plans of the teens? Sherrill wasn't dating anyone. She may have mentioned the schedule to a friend, but who else?

That gets us back to the theory that the crime started with only Sherrill as the target and the killers were surprised when the girls came home. Less likely scenario, JMO. Would have been much more difficult to control the girls in that situation. Wouldn't there have been more signs of a struggle, noise heard by neighbors, attempt to escape, etc.?

The changing plans in the days before and that night could also mean someone in or on the fringes of their social circle was tracking them. I still lean slightly more towards someone (more than one person) following them or partying with them that night, then making their move.

This is an interesting case, too.

Dee Wampler sued by man who was exonerated by DNA in 1997 sex assault of teen

 

[MooseMeMuch]

Had Stacy ever been to the Delmar house before she came up missing?
Is there absolute, substantiated by more than 2 people, proof?
Did Mrs. McCall ever say?

 

[cherrymeg]

Had Stacy ever been to the Delmar house before she came up missing?
Is there absolute, substantiated by more than 2 people, proof?
Did Mrs. McCall ever say?

I think Mrs. McCall said she wouldn't have agreed to let Stacy stay the night at Suzie's. That could be hindsight but it implies she knew who Suzie and Sherrill were.

 

[MooseMeMuch]

Yeah, the focus on Sherrill seems possible, but:

How would anyone targeting Sherrill know about the plans of the girls that night and the next day? Seems unlikely they would be moving in the same social circle as the teens. Who would know about the plans of the teens? Sherrill wasn't dating anyone. She may have mentioned the schedule to a friend, but who else?

That gets us back to the theory that the crime started with only Sherrill as the target and the killers were surprised when the girls came home. Less likely scenario, JMO. Would have been much more difficult to control the girls in that situation. Wouldn't there have been more signs of a struggle, noise heard by neighbors, attempt to escape, etc.?

The changing plans in the days before and that night could also mean someone in or on the fringes of their social circle was tracking them. I still lean slightly more towards someone (more than one person) following them or partying with them that night, then making their move.

This is an interesting case, too.

Dee Wampler sued by man who was exonerated by DNA in 1997 sex assault of teen

Yeah, the Sherrill being the target......has few holes.

 

[MooseMeMuch]

I think Suzie and Stacy were closer than Janelle or Janis suggests or something happened that made them want to leave the house they were supposed to stay at. With Sherrill missing there is no one to say why they chose to stay at Suzie's. Maybe that is why she is missing too.

Brian Joy decided not to let people sleep over, he was afraid his mom would come home.
Which sounds plausible to me. IMO....when he told the girls 'yes', along with others...he hadn't thought it all the way through. Teenagers can be rather.....sloppy.

 

[Missouri Mule]

Had Stacy ever been to the Delmar house before she came up missing?
Is there absolute, substantiated by more than 2 people, proof?
Did Mrs. McCall ever say?

I am speculating but reasonably certain she had been but Janelle claimed she had never been there prior to the day they went missing.

My understanding is that Susie asked Stacy to go along as she was unsure of getting home without getting lost.

 

[MooseMeMuch]

I think Mrs. McCall said she wouldn't have agreed to let Stacy stay the night at Suzie's. That could be hindsight but it implies she knew who Suzie and Sherrill were.

That statement by Mrs. McCall speaks volumes (IMO) as to what she thought of the Streeters
Or MAYBE it was that 'part of town'.....which the Part of Town was/is not considered as 'safe' as the South Side or Battlefield area.

 

[Missouri Mule]

Yes the story we have been told about that night is very convoluted.

I can see why if LE believe Janelle story that Sherrill can realistically be the only target.

Because some facts we have are..

1)Suzie had plans with other friends and ditched them last minute.

2)Suzie was supposedly staying in a hotel in Branson despite having plans with a completely different set of friends.

3)Branson plans were changed and they was staying at one of the homes were one of the parties were held.

4) Stacey and Suzie never apparently hung out together by themselves.

5) Stacey told her mum she was not going to Branson and was spending the night at Janelle’s.

6) Then the house they was staying at changed their mind so back to Janelles.

7) Then Stacey and Suzie decided to spend the night back at Suzie’s house.

Seriously it was Graduation night and it seems like half the night was spent on who would stay where

You could get whip lash from the way theee girls changed their mind that night.

I would disagree.

If Sherrill was the target why wait until so late at night?

 

[asyousay]

I would disagree.

If Sherrill was the target why wait until so late at night?

I agree with you but I was trying to look at it from a different angle. I have no idea if Sherrill was the target why this attack didn’t happen until gone 3am. But I thought LE said was more than likely the target?

 

[MooseMeMuch]

Janelle was close friends with Stacy, not Suzie. Every indication was that Janelle had never visited Suzie where she used to live or where Suzie and her mother had recently moved to. Yet, Janelle and Mike enter Suzie's house and hang out there, with nobody home? Answer phone calls, which establish a possible sexual motivation? Clean up broken glass that was most likely evidence? Don't contact police, even though they say themselves that something was wrong? Read the transcripts, Janelle refers to Suzie as the "other girl." I don't believe that Janelle was in on the crime, however, I sense she could have been pressured to cover up. I think Janelle might have serious guilt about that. It is incredible what our minds can rationalize and cover up in order to deal with such guilt. She very well could have suppressed any culpability years ago. She could be terrified of friends and family knowing she played an indirect role in such a horrible crime. She has many reasons to cover up a mistake she made years ago.

Exactly.

Next step is Motive. Maybe that's the missing piece of LE's famous 'puzzle'.

And Janelle admitted to never being at the Delmar residence. The 2 women had lived there 3 months which suggests......not 'close' at all. But heck, let's charge-ho in the door and explore! In my book, that 'close' thing and 'home invasion' just does not make sense.

Nigel stated that Suzie was her best friend and IMO, genuinely mourns her disappearance (death).

 

[MooseMeMuch]

I agree with you but I was trying to look at it from a different angle. I have no idea if Sherrill was the target why this attack didn’t happen until gone 3am. But I thought LE said was more than likely the target?

I think they did but that theory sure didn't solve this case.

 

[MooseMeMuch]

In previous threads I raised that as a very real possibility. It would assist in making the “getaway.” It also raises another question.

How did he know the phone number? That should also be answered.

Are you thinking the perps didn't know their names?

 

[cherrymeg]

That statement by Mrs. McCall speaks volumes (IMO) as to what she thought of the Streeters
Or MAYBE it was that 'part of town'.....which the Part of Town was/is not considered as 'safe' as the South Side or Battlefield area.

Maybe the grave robbers were considered more dangerous? I still think something happened at a party.

 

[HmmWhoKnows]

Yeah, the Sherrill being the target......has few holes.

Elaborate.

Because the girls changing their plans last minute seems to make her being a target the most logical explanation.

Or a transient.