Missouri - The Springfield Three--missing since June 1992 - #8

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I have to admit, I feel like Socrates when it comes to this case. The more I learn how little I know. I have trouble thinking this was a single perp, just don't think it makes sense.

I argued for years, here and elsewhere there had to be multiple perps. Recently one person in particular caught my attention for several reasons.

I know who he is, where he lives and other particulars.

Since no one has talked, is it not reasonable there is no grand conspiracy?

It really makes no difference to me just so long as it is solved.

I have been spending much of my time building my family tree and it was refreshing not to constantly going over the same points again and again. And it can get quite personal which is a complete waste of time arguing about this case.
 
Its interesting, if you watch one of the videos she says, We called and called and no on answered, so we decided to go by the house. Uh, (a pause) then says, We had never been there before. So it makes it kind of sound like she almost slipped up and felt she had to add that they had never been there. I've always wondered if this was the case. She says they went over to the house, then says they had never been there before. So it kind of says two things to me. One, she's trying to distance herself from the house and her knowledge of the house. And she's also screwing up and not really explaining at all how she knew where the girls lived, if she had never been there before. You'd think she would clarify this issue while she's telling the story, if she went to so much effort to state that they had never been there before. You'd think the first logical question would be, how did you know where they lived. Not to mention, if you'd never been there before, clearly you weren't that close to Susie because she had lived there for a few months already. Then she acts like the dog is happy to see her, how can this be the case if she's not that close to Susie, and if that's the case, why did she also feel comfortable being so casual about going into the house and lingering around, answering the phone, and other things. Makes a person wonder.

One hopes that the police quickly got those questions answered from the git-go.

On the matter of the dog it is my understanding that Janelle had interaction where Suzie and Sherrill lived prior to moving to the Delmar address. So, if that is true, it might be reasonable the dog recognized her when she entered the house.

You do ask good questions.
 
It was five years.

Here's the info attached.

He served four months and his wife + good behavior helped get him out.

More info on Case Net plus Clay's own words on Topix.

It is interesting that Clay, in the article talking about him getting in trouble for not attending his probation drug treatment program appointments, he asks the judge to give him a break, and then says, "I guess my parole officer had it in for me". Another example of Clay making excuses, very much in the exact same way that he did after he made that outburst of, "I hope those B#$@!'s are dead", when he said the cop had it in for him, and made him mad, and that's why he said what he said. Not that that changes anything about his guilt or innocence. But I would certainly take these two separate incidences of similar behavior into consideration.
 
One hopes that the police quickly got those questions answered from the git-go.

On the matter of the dog it is my understanding that Janelle had interaction where Suzie and Sherrill lived prior to moving to the Delmar address. So, if that is true, it might be reasonable the dog recognized her when she entered the house.

You do ask good questions.

Thank You MM
 
I have a question.

Why does Doug Thomas (lead investigator after Asher) think Steve Garrison has all the answers to this case? Enough to where it leads to a search in Marshfield and Fordland?

Check attached.

I've read a lot about this case, and have been reading the posts from the beginning, and from what I've read so far, I couldn't agree with your post more. Steve Garrison would have had to have had enough evidence that it convinced a judge to sign off on a search warrant. A judge would do that on just a whim. They had to have had something the judge felt held enough evidence that it was legally worth pursuing.
 
This is off the subject but I watch a lot of murder mysteries.

I saw an old moldy tonight. “Double Indemnity.”

Won several academy awards. Although it is quite old it makes clear to me at least that absent professional killers the chances of no one talking after 26 years is somewhere between none and zero.

I believe one single male followed the girls home and (likely) Suzie opened the door and went out to the killer’s car. In turn Sherrill went out as she was very security conscious.

The only one who didn’t exit the house voluntarily was Stacy. According to a well placed source, with police connections, she was actually dragged from the house.

The killer let reason go right out the window and killed them to save his own skin.

That is what I believe. The one caveat is if professional killers were involved. If that is true, what would have been the motive?

Thoughts?
 
So this doesn’t fit Cox, Garrison or the 3rd sexual predator to me.

What if Dusty was the trusted one of whom Susie opened the door for, and Garrison was the one who took everything south from there. May be Dusty didn't know what Garrison was going to do but was way too scared to do anything an took off at some point afterwards and doesn't know what happened from there. Clay has admitted to have known Garrison for a brief time before the girls disappeared because Garrison and Dusty were hanging out at the time according to Clay. Garrison knew Tim Robb. Where did police get a search warrant to dig up? Who's farm. Seems to make sense to me. And may be it goes higher than that. There seems to be a lot of talk about a PFI connection lately on other sites. I've also seen PFI mentioned on here too, and that the owner was into bad things, and that a concrete pour was done in the early morning hours the morning the girls went missing. Could these be the links to this crime? I don't know, I'm just trying to put together the things I've read so far about this horrible crime, that seem to connect or make sense.
 
Although when I think about it, It doesn't explain the apco sighting or the way that JK and MH acted the next day. I still wonder what happened after the girls got back to Brian Joy's house after the second party was broken up by the police. I've wondered if the answer to this crime lies in the crowd that was around the women after they arrived back at Brian Joy's. The girls may have never made it home. But this wouldn't explain the Apco sighting if it is true. I personally think that Sherrill did go out that night looking for Susie for some reason. Could the erased call on the answering machine have been one from Susie calling her mom for help for something that was happening, or had happened after they got back to Brian Joys, or shortly after they left his house?
 
I think at that point, LE was trying to be open to every bit of evidence they could find. Identifying a suspicious vehicle that may have been used in the kidnapping was pretty important. There were other witness accounts of a van, though, that seemed more credible. The van they described was brown or dark gold, IIRC and it was driven by a man, which seems a more likely scenario.

Slightly OT - I just found another odd quote in the Spgfld News Leader of June 10, 1992:

When discussing Sherrill's past history with her ex husbands and Bartt Streeter, Kathy Kirby said "I never sensed there was much of a relationship with Bartt". How would she know? Her own daughter pretended she barely knew Suzie. I hope LE didn't take the word of these people who claimed to barely know the family. The article goes on to criticize Sherrill for not attending a graduation dinner at the Kirby's. They didn't know each other very well,it was a big party full of Kirby family. I can understand why she didn't want to attend.

10 Jun 1992, Page 4 - The Springfield News-Leader at Newspapers.com

I like this post. Her story about hearing JK come into the house, and the girls telling one to follow the other to Susies house, has never made me feel comfortable. It seems like a perfect opportunity for an alibi for her daughter. What better alibi can a child have than their own parent confirming their whereabouts to police. And what parent wouldn't be inclined to cover for their child, if they thought their newly graduated child had gotten into something on purpose or by accident, that could land her in prison for the rest of her life. I don't think the famlies knew each other that well at all at that point in their lives. They may have more when the girls were younger, but after Susie moved back, I don't think she and Janelle were very close at all. Janelle and Stacy yes. Janelle and Susie no.
 
For those who think Janelle or Mike had a hand in this crime, I have to ask, what plausible scenario is there? They had eyes on them from many parties. One of the dozens and dozens of people that would have known about this would have flipped by now, yes?

Where are 18 year old kids hiding bodies? Where is the murder weapon? This whole theory falls apart quickly once logic is applied.

Their behavior was weird but I doubt they had a direct hand in kidnapping. What's the motive? Jealousy over Suzie and Stacy hanging out? I don't think she did it. I followed her and her ex husband Mike (the one who helped her clean up) on FB for awhile now and I see nothing that tells me she's involved.

Better yet, Detective Asher himself comments on many of her public Facebook photos. What would you have to say about that? You can go see for yourself.

I saw where Detective Asher made a comment on JK's facebook site, but it was a strange post. He said something to the affect of, "There's still time Janelle". I found this really really strange, and possibly very telling. Time for what? Time to do the right thing? Time for closure for everyone? What was Asher referring to when he said that?? I took it as a prodding so to speak to JK, that there's still time to do the right thing. It seems to go hand in hand with what police said, when they seemed to be reaching out to an ex-girlfriend/ex-wife. Am I crazy to look at this this way? It seemed very telling to me at the time I saw Asher's post on JK's facebook site. I may be wrong and I'm not accusing anyone for the record. I'm only pointing out things I've noticed.
 
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This will never be solved unless enough pressure is put on the people that were with the girls that night. Even then, there is enough time passed for anyone to remain silent. It’ll take a confession of unheard, provable evidence to get closer to the truth. I hope we can find it.

I agree with this post.
 
they sabotaged the crimescene , were the last known peps to see two of three women and can not be dismissed because a few amaetuer armchair sleuths say so.
Preach it k-mac! I read where SPD did question Janelle....multiple times. Why would they do that unless they suspected she knows more than she's telling them. And Asher buddying up with her and Mike? You could take that 2 ways...not an end-all that he believes everything they've ever said about that night.

Interesting Post!!
 
Maybe you would if you found out your mother was concerned and driving around town looking for you.

There's a reason the police don't report who called at 11:15pm. JBO called at 9pm. There's no mention of who made the 11:15 call. The 11:15pm call is mentioned on the SPD website's official case description.

There's a reason in the "Vanished" video that Ms. McCall says "Suzie needed a friend." She's telegraphing inside knowledge with this statement, IMO.

Great Post. So are you saying that may be Susie called her mother at 11:15pm, causing her mother to go out looking for her? Is that what I'm getting from this? And great insight on the "Susie needed a friend". Why did Susie need a friend? By all accounts she and Shane A. spent the evening reminiscing about their times at school, and talking about their dreams for their futures. So what would Susie be needing a friend for? Janelle discribed she and Stacy as being "Happy and Bubbly", so again what would Ms. McCall say that Susie needed a friend, when by others accounts that were with her that night said everything was fine with her. Is one side not being honest? What gives?
 
This is partly why I think Suzie may have been pg. It just makes a lot of sense. Pg girls are at high risk of dv/homicide from the father. She could have been afraid of the father or nervous about telling Sherrill & wanted someone with her. Maybe she had told the father that night & it didn’t go well. It just seems like a very plausible motive.

Do we know if she was drinking that night?

Another good post. I've considered this as a possible motive for this case. There is rumor that police or someone found a pg. test kit in the trash. What if this was true? It would be a motive for either a woman to get mad enough to kill over, or a man to kill to cover his mistake and retain his relationship with his current girlfriend, and not to have to deal with getting a girl pg and having to be responsible. I've seen many other crimes where men who have gotten women pg have killed them to cover the pg up. Please know I'm not trying to spread rumor. But anyone who has looked at this case has probably ran into this information posted several times. I just think it should be considered at least.
 
Great Post. So are you saying that may be Susie called her mother at 11:15pm, causing her mother to go out looking for her? Is that what I'm getting from this? And great insight on the "Susie needed a friend". Why did Susie need a friend? By all accounts she and Shane A. spent the evening reminiscing about their times at school, and talking about their dreams for their futures. So what would Susie be needing a friend for? Janelle discribed she and Stacy as being "Happy and Bubbly", so again what would Ms. McCall say that Susie needed a friend, when by others accounts that were with her that night said everything was fine with her. Is one side not being honest? What gives?

Sorry I don't mean to quote my own quote but i didn't know how to do it any other way. At any rate, I wanted to add to this idea that may be Susie called her mother at 11:15pm for some reason. If she had called her mother at that time, shortly after the time that Stacy called her mother around 10:30pm or so. Could who ever was involved in this crime have known that Susie had called her mother for what ever reason, and thought it would tie back to them? Stacy only called her mother to say they were staying at Janelle's and going to white water in the morning. If it was Susie that called her Mom at 11:15pm then why did she call, and was this the reason Sherrill had to disappear as well. Sorry to post so much right out of the gate, but this case has more twists and turns than any roller coaster I've ever ridden.
 
This is off the subject but I watch a lot of murder mysteries.

I saw an old moldy tonight. “Double Indemnity.”

Won several academy awards. Although it is quite old it makes clear to me at least that absent professional killers the chances of no one talking after 26 years is somewhere between none and zero.

I believe one single male followed the girls home and (likely) Suzie opened the door and went out to the killer’s car. In turn Sherrill went out as she was very security conscious.

The only one who didn’t exit the house voluntarily was Stacy. According to a well placed source, with police connections, she was actually dragged from the house.

The killer let reason go right out the window and killed them to save his own skin.

That is what I believe. The one caveat is if professional killers were involved. If that is true, what would have been the motive?

Thoughts?


So why would Suzie open the door to a stranger and then go to their car at about 4am in the morning?
 
So why would Suzie open the door to a stranger and then go to their car at about 4am in the morning?

Maybe it wasn't a stranger. I still find it odd that Joy decided so late in the evening that no one could stay at his house. He was hosting a grad party at his house but decided later and after a few drinks that the girls couldn't stay?? I would think he would have expected people to stay since he is hosting a party with alcohol and underage kids.

Maybe something happened to Suzie at the party and Joy didn't want her to stay. (Maybe to avoid conflict or he knew of a plan and needed her away from his house) She asked Stacy to go with her so they left. Someone at the party followed them home and Suzie went out side to see why/talk to them. From there something happened, I am not saying a major conflict because the neighbors didn't hear anything, but maybe he wanted Suzie to go with him in private to do things. Sherrill came out to see what was going on and has put a stop to any plans. He now has 2/3 outside. Somehow got them compromised and now he just has to go inside and get one girl.
 
Possibly because she met him at the party.

Maybe he had been hanging around her and she thought him harmless. It is all spteculation. But the fact no one has rolled is a sign of one person.


Not really when you consider that people now would have a lot more to lose than they did back then if some of the people involved were young adults.
 
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