Missouri - The Springfield Three--missing since June 1992 - #9

[flute4peace]

Dusty dated both Suzie and a girl that’s Mom dated Garrison. Not at the same time, but he dated both.

Thank you, that is different from what I had heard so I appreciate the clarification.

 

[SpringfieldMan341]

Here's the facts:

-Dusty dated Suzie (I believe in late 1991--still friends well into early 1992--Bartt met Dusty when Suzie and Bartt lived together in south Springfield)
-Dusty dated J W (whose mother dated Steve Garrison)
-Mike and Joe fled town after the abductions. Yes Mike and Joe both left, but both were in town during the abductions and both left right after. This is provable.
-Dusty and Mike's alibi differ throughout the night
-Joe has no reported alibi
-Mike dated the daughter of an outlaw motorcycle gang (A H)
-Mike and Dusty bought drugs from Steve Garrison, associate/possible member of said motorcycle gang.
-Steve Garrison was a grand jury indicted suspect/informant (along with Mike and J W and her mother JCW).
-Garrison was a criminal informant and, according to Doug Thomas, "is still of help to the case" after no bodies were found during dig spots he pointed LE towards
-The Garrison searches had a gag order on them (not a common occurrence)

Michelle (and SantaChrist), if I have anything wrong, let me know.

 

[irisheyesofblue]

Here's the facts:

-Dusty dated Suzie (I believe in late 1991--still friends well into early 1992--Bartt met Dusty when Suzie and Bartt lived together in south Springfield)
-Dusty dated J W (whose mother dated Steve Garrison)
-Mike and Joe fled town after the abductions. Yes Mike and Joe both left, but both were in town during the abductions and both left right after. This is provable.
-Dusty and Mike's alibi differ throughout the night
-Joe has no reported alibi
-Mike dated the daughter of an outlaw motorcycle gang (A H)
-Mike and Dusty bought drugs from Steve Garrison, associate/possible member of said motorcycle gang.
-Steve Garrison was a grand jury indicted suspect/informant (along with Mike and J W and her mother JCW).
-Garrison was a criminal informant and, according to Doug Thomas, "is still of help to the case" after no bodies were found during dig spots he pointed LE towards
-The Garrison searches had a gag order on them (not a common occurrence)

Michelle (and SantaChrist), if I have anything wrong, let me know.

Things you got wrong.

Dusty dated JW in 91 for a few months. He dated Suzie a few months at the end of 91 into 92.

Mike and Joe fled to IL together in March sometime between the 25th and 27th of 92. NOT after the women went missing. This is in the police file.

The alibi does not differ. For Dusty a concert with 50 people is a party. The people who attended the concert were also all listed for both of them to back it up.

Joe was still in IL living with his mother when the women went missing. This too is in the police file.

Garrison was the target of the Grand Jury investigation and Mike was just a witness that testified.

 

[Blue Girl1991]

Regarding the only person who failed the polygraph test,
I would love to know what led the police to test this specific person, what information the police had about him that made them ask him to make the test?
Did he have any connection to Suzie or Sherrill? why this specific person?

 

[Scooby Doo 4U]

Here's the facts:

-Dusty dated Suzie (I believe in late 1991--still friends well into early 1992--Bartt met Dusty when Suzie and Bartt lived together in south Springfield)
-Dusty dated J W (whose mother dated Steve Garrison)
-Mike and Joe fled town after the abductions. Yes Mike and Joe both left, but both were in town during the abductions and both left right after. This is provable.
-Dusty and Mike's alibi differ throughout the night
-Joe has no reported alibi
-Mike dated the daughter of an outlaw motorcycle gang (A H)
-Mike and Dusty bought drugs from Steve Garrison, associate/possible member of said motorcycle gang.
-Steve Garrison was a grand jury indicted suspect/informant (along with Mike and J W and her mother JCW).
-Garrison was a criminal informant and, according to Doug Thomas, "is still of help to the case" after no bodies were found during dig spots he pointed LE towards
-The Garrison searches had a gag order on them (not a common occurrence)

Michelle (and SantaChrist), if I have anything wrong, let me know.

The Search Warrant (Return) was sealed and is a common occurance, because the return could potentially jeopardize the investigation if it became publicly known.

The information is only released during the (Discovery Process) by the Defense Attorney.

 

[SpringfieldMan341]

Things you got wrong.

Dusty dated JW in 91 for a few months. He dated Suzie a few months at the end of 91 into 92.

Mike and Joe fled to IL together in March sometime between the 25th and 27th of 92. NOT after the women went missing. This is in the police file.

The alibi does not differ. For Dusty a concert with 50 people is a party. The people who attended the concert were also all listed for both of them to back it up.

Joe was still in IL living with his mother when the women went missing. This too is in the police file.

Garrison was the target of the Grand Jury investigation and Mike was just a witness that testified.

Dusty did date JW/see JW during and after the time of the disappearance. Correct?

Joe was not in IL. He came back, just like your husband. Please see attached.

Kendra was asked about the "series of parties" in the 48 Hours video. Dusty said "parties" and yes concert could mean party, but he was attending multiple "parties" either way.

 

[Scooby Doo 4U]

Things you got wrong.

Dusty dated JW in 91 for a few months. He dated Suzie a few months at the end of 91 into 92.

Mike and Joe fled to IL together in March sometime between the 25th and 27th of 92. NOT after the women went missing. This is in the police file.

The alibi does not differ. For Dusty a concert with 50 people is a party. The people who attended the concert were also all listed for both of them to back it up.

Joe was still in IL living with his mother when the women went missing. This too is in the police file.

Garrison was the target of the Grand Jury investigation and Mike was just a witness that testified.

Wait a minute. Please clarify something. You're saying Mike and Joe fled to IL in March, sometime between the 25th and 27th 1992. Did they then return to Springfield before the crime against the women occured? Because their alibi as I have always understood it was, that they (Mike and Dusty) were at the concert, the night of June 6th, 1992, and then went to Mike's apartment and crashed, and that Mikes sister verified their alibi by stating that she came home after work to find them there and Dusty passed out in her bed.

Sorry, Just a little confused with what you were saying there.

 

[SpringfieldMan341]

If a police file says "Joe was in town on ____ date and not ____date" could you please share that?

 

[asyousay]

This is so confusing as the newspaper obviously state that they left town after the girls vanished so why would would the newspapers lie as they don’t gain anything by mudding the waters?!.

If they left town before hand, came back before the girls vanished and left town again then that points to their guilt even more IMO

 

[SpringfieldMan341]

The papers said Joe left town right after the disappearance, not once, not twice, but three separate times.

Yes we know Mike and Joe left before. And Mike came back. Did Joe come back? That's what we need to know. Because cops say he was "believed to have been in town" and "left after the disappearance."

Also, another thing of note: The September NL article with the cop and Asher statement, is after the said file you were looking at Michelle. So why do you think the cops blunder this three times? Or do you think your file is outdated/has incorrect information? Because one of them is wrong.

Thanks for your help. Frustrating nailing down the facts here sometimes.

 

[irisheyesofblue]

Dusty did date JW/see JW during and after the time of the disappearance. Correct?

Joe was not in IL. He came back, just like your husband. Please see attached.

Kendra was asked about the "series of parties" in the 48 Hours video. Dusty said "parties" and yes concert could mean party, but he was attending multiple "parties" either way.

It won’t let me see your link, but according to the Case file dated 10-13-92 Joe was in IL staying with his mother at the time the women went missing.

What Dusty did before 8 pm Mike does not know, but after 8pm he was with him. The concert started around 9 and before it they helped them load up the equipment and then set up.

Dusty saw JW again for only a week or two after he and Suzie broke up, but Mike is pretty sure it was before the women went missing.

 

[irisheyesofblue]

Wait a minute. Please clarify something. You're saying Mike and Joe fled to IL in March, sometime between the 25th and 27th 1992. Did they then return to Springfield before the crime against the women occured? Because their alibi as I have always understood it was, that they (Mike and Dusty) were at the concert, the night of June 6th, 1992, and then went to Mike's apartment and crashed, and that Mikes sister verified their alibi by stating that she came home after work to find them there and Dusty passed out in her bed.

Sorry, Just a little confused with what you were saying there.

Mike returned two weeks after that. Joe did not.

 

[irisheyesofblue]

If a police file says "Joe was in town on ____ date and not ____date" could you please share that?

Not sure what you mean. It does not say he was in town on such date and not on such date.

 

[SpringfieldMan341]

Mike returned two weeks after that. Joe did not.

The apartment complex that Joe lived in, 612 E Elm, I believe he had a roommate at the time. Do you know who that was?

Also the cops say Joe was in town after 10/13/92. So somewhere there is false information.

 

[SpringfieldMan341]

Not sure what you mean. It does not say he was in town on such date and not on such date.

I find it curious that a document would have information regarding the Springfield 3 in a separate case file regarding the Maple Park incident. It almost seems like the alibi was "constructed" and I don't see that often when investigating case files.

Also what illness did his mom have? Isn't she still alive and healthy today? Curious if that was the real reason that made go back to IL. Also curious why Mike came back but Joe had to stay? (Though we don't know for a fact if he came back and returned or not).

And was it common for Mike and Dusty to crash together? Were other friends with them? I have a reason for asking this.

Last but not least, Joe testified against Mike. Dusty did as well. Why did Mike forgive Dusty and not Joe?

Just thinking out loud of course. Thanks Michelle for the info. If you have a way of sharing the police document, that would be extremely helpful. I understand if not.

 

[irisheyesofblue]

The apartment complex that Joe lived in, 612 E Elm, I believe he had a roommate at the time. Do you know who that was?

Also the cops say Joe was in town after 10/13/92. So somewhere there is false information.

I will ask Mike when he comes home from work.

 

[SpringfieldMan341]

I will ask Mike when he comes home from work.

Appreciate both of you helping. Especially since I know you do not need to. Glad we're all after the truth.

 

[irisheyesofblue]

The apartment complex that Joe lived in, 612 E Elm, I believe he had a roommate at the time. Do you know who that was?

Also the cops say Joe was in town after 10/13/92. So somewhere there is false information.

Actually do not have to ask Mike about this. Was just looking at the file and that was Mike and Cathee’s Apartment not Joe’s.

 

[SpringfieldMan341]

Actually do not have to ask Mike about this. Was just looking at the file and that was Mike and Cathee’s Apartment not Joe’s.

So why is it listed as Joe's apartment in his own personal file on Case Net? Case # 31392CF0829

Something is weird here...

 

[irisheyesofblue]

The apartment complex that Joe lived in, 612 E Elm, I believe he had a roommate at the time. Do you know who that was?

Also the cops say Joe was in town after 10/13/92. So somewhere there is false information.

According to the case file Joe also stayed there and sometimes Dusty.