MISTRIAL - Sidney Moorer on trial for the kidnapping of Heather Elvis #4

[bestill]

Erin MacPherson ‏@ErinWPDE 2m2 minutes ago

Video: Police ask #SidneyMoorer about other boyfriends #HeatherElvis had. #MoorerTrial

Erin MacPherson ‏@ErinWPDE 3m3 minutes ago

Video: Police ask #SidneyMoorer if he was at or near Peachtree Landing. Sidney says no.

Erin MacPherson ‏@ErinWPDE 4m4 minutes ago

Police Video: Sidney says "I cried, she cried. She smacked me a few times." He explains him and his wife, Tammy, worked things out.

Erin MacPherson ‏@ErinWPDE 5m5 minutes ago

Voices are raising on the police video. #MoorerTrial #HeatherElvis

Erin MacPherson ‏@ErinWPDE 9m9 minutes ago

Video: police are talking with #SidneyMoorer about #HeatherElvis. Sidney: "She called me."


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BBM is he talking about Heather or TM with the crying and smacking?

 

[Leader6518]

I think that is key BBM....winning case at this point, that is why I think SM will walk because from outside appearance, it does seem like they are reaching and did not present a case I feel will result in a bard conviction.....hope I am wrong.

I have held back my opinion. I don't usually buy in to the human trafficking that always makes it to a missing person's case, however, with no evidence she is deceased, I am thinking that may be an option.
1) TM hated her and called her all kinds of names
2) Based on what I have seen, it would be more revenge to sell HE into slavery than to just get rid of her and risk a murder trial (you can never commit the perfect crime).
3) The alleged money in the safe (where would they get that kind of money?)
4) The trip to Disneyland in CA as opposed to Disneyworld in FL (much closer). Could they have used the Disney trip as a ruse for making a contact?
5) No evidence of death (no DNA, hair, no body, etc)
6) The smug confidence of "no evidence they murdered her". I know that is what most guilty will say "no evidence", but, the Ms have a very smug attitude.

This is all my opinion, and there may be reasonable answers to the money in the safe and such, but it has bothered me just a little that they were allowed to go to FL for SM to get a job and yet they have all this cash lying around? That doesn't happen in my world.

Again, I could see TM gloating about the fact HE is off being sexually abused and tortured somewhere. What could be a worse fate? She had moved on. The rumors of pregnancy is a factor, but I think (based on FB posts and statements) this was more personal to TM. She wanted HE to suffer.

All JMO!

 

[LBDunes]

SM said he was in bed when Heather called. Denies going to PTL.

I asked this before. Did LE/State transcribe this (first) interview? If not, why?

The jury could read word-by-word instead of trying to listening to it like we all did.

BBM - I wondered that myself. If they did not transcribe it, that would be unreal. There are so many lies in that pile of noise. If they didn't transcribe then it must have been a legal reason?

 

[scmom]

Hmm, money in the safe. Money under the table for SM maybe?

 

[cujenn81]

I think that is key BBM....winning case at this point, that is why I think SM will walk because from outside appearance, it does seem like they are reaching and did not present a case I feel will result in a bard conviction.....hope I am wrong.

I think the problem was if all the evidence presented in court this week is all they have on them (& IMO, it's probably not; it just didn't relate to the kidnapping charge), they wouldn't have enough to prove they killed her. But I think it's enough to prove she was kidnapped. The only thing they have to convince the jury of was that she was lured out of her house under false pretenses. "Whoever shall unlawfully seize, confine, inveigle, decoy, kidnap, abduct or carry away any other person by any means whatsoever without authority of law" is guilty of kidnapping.

 

[Delta Dawn]

BBM is he talking about Heather or TM with the crying and smacking?

TM. They apparently worked it out on their trip. They cried, she smacked him, he let her.

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[epiphany]

BBM is he talking about Heather or TM with the crying and smacking?

I would say, his wife > "...we worked things out"

 

[scmom]

Have the M's been investigated by the IRS I wonder?

 

[WVWoman]

I would love to be a fly on the wall in the jury room..Waiting drives me nuts[emoji12]!


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[bestill]

Hope the jurors picked up on the fact that he wasn't the least bit concerned about Heather either. If I have been dating someone and broke it off and they suddenly started calling me over and over in the middle of the night I would have wondered what in the world was going on. And if LE showed up at my house I would have been seriously concerned, he didn't show any of that.

 

[nerdgirl]

Have the M's been investigated by the IRS I wonder?

One of the original charges was fraud and maybe tax evasion

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[DexterMorgan]

I have held back my opinion. I don't usually buy in to the human trafficking that always makes it to a missing person's case, however, with no evidence she is deceased, I am thinking that may be an option.
1) TM hated her and called her all kinds of names
2) Based on what I have seen, it would be more revenge to sell HE into slavery than to just get rid of her and risk a murder trial (you can never commit the perfect crime).
3) The alleged money in the safe (where would they get that kind of money?)
4) The trip to Disneyland in CA as opposed to Disneyworld in FL (much closer). Could they have used the Disney trip as a ruse for making a contact?
5) No evidence of death (no DNA, hair, no body, etc)
6) The smug confidence of "no evidence they murdered her". I know that is what most guilty will say "no evidence", but, the Ms have a very smug attitude.

This is all my opinion, and there may be reasonable answers to the money in the safe and such, but it has bothered me just a little that they were allowed to go to FL for SM to get a job and yet they have all this cash lying around? That doesn't happen in my world.

Again, I could see TM gloating about the fact HE is off being sexually abused and tortured somewhere. What could be a worse fate? She had moved on. The rumors of pregnancy is a factor, but I think (based on FB posts and statements) this was more personal to TM. She wanted HE to suffer.

All JMO!

Agree. But traffickers rarely want a high profile- media victim to be used in the business. They feel it's more of a headache sometimes to keep their identity concealed from clients.

 

[Leader6518]

I hope the jury concentrates on the 4 minute phone call between Heather and Sidney's phone at 3:17 . After that phone call , Heather immediately drives to PTL and within minutes of her disappearing the truck is on the videos. I hope they realize Heather would not of talked to Tammy for 4 minutes , it had to be Sidney. Heather would NEVER of agreed to meet Tammy , it had to be Sidney she was meeting. And I hope all the jurors have daughters !

That is the only logical explanation. SM contacted her and told her he was leaving TM and wanted to be with her. She contacted him back (after his phone had a power event and came back on line). She even expressed concern about how wierd it was that SM would contact her immediately after SS left. I think the prosecutor is on mark for HE thinking. She was young, SM fed her the typical line of BS that cheating husbands say. She wanted to believe it. She decided to meet him to talk.

I can't see her trying to get in touch with him and TM answering the phone and her agreeing to meet with TM for what reason? She was afraid of TM. TM is crazy (she named her that on the phone). She had 90+ unanswered calls from CB. She had blocked SMs number. She was moving on. If SM told her he wanted her instead of his wife, it would have been a secret until a plan was hatched for them to be together and away from the CB. She wouldn't have talked to someone she was afraid of and had been avoiding. Especially if she thought SM was going to leave TM for her soon.

 

[TTF14]

BBM - I wondered that myself. If they did not transcribe it, that would be unreal. There are so many lies in that pile of noise. If they didn't transcribe then it must have been a legal reason?

There's a good transcription of it up on the leading FB page for this case.

 

[Carolina Girl]

Didn't the Judge say the other day something about they did not have to transcribe an oral statement? Sounded crazy at the time, but remember he pitched a fit at NL because Bri's statement not being transcribed? Just another time he confused me. No wonder the jury is confuse. Also we have had 2 1/2 years to smoke all of this over. Poor jury has had this week

 

[cujenn81]

Have the M's been investigated by the IRS I wonder?

Yes! They also have pending Medicaid fraud charges right now!

 

[jillycat]

The evidence shown should have convinced you. I listed only a small part of it. If people are paying attention, there is a long, long list of evidence pointing to the defendant. No twisting of facts needed either.

If I'm following what you're arguing, she was kidnapped by lure through the pay phone call after he bought a pregnancy test, and now she's gone after meeting him at the boat landing. I realize there's more evidence than that, but I'm referring to the critical chain of events right before her disappearance that the state says makes SM her kidnapper.

If I was juror, I'd be asking myself this: If she was being kidnapped by lure to PTL for whatever purpose, what was she doing messing with her Tumblr, driving to a restaurant and hanging out, leaving, going back, going home, then calling SM, then deciding to drive to PTL? If the pregnancy test was part of the mission for SM, where does it fit? Certainly not PTL.

My problem would be that the gap between the lure call and PTL, and the fact that no one can show me who was in the truck, casts reasonable doubt on who was doing what that night from what phone and what vehicle at what time. I wouldn't have trouble concluding that SM's involved in a crime against Heather. I'd have trouble taking the circumstantial trail I was given and linking up SM and Heather at PTL after she journeyed around post-lure call and we have no idea who else was moving around at the same time. It's the additional passage of time and other events in between, plus the gap in where SM, not his phone or his truck, was during this time that would give me pause.

 

[Leader6518]

Hiya Madeleine! If I recall correctly, you've made some accurate assumptions over the years here at WS - whatcha thinking for this jury? Personally their questions have me a little worried that they want direct, video evidence instead of following the rational thought that Sidney was in, and remained in, his truck. Jmo

When I watched the Wal-Mart video the first time, I didn't not catch the key and lock thing. I was focused on who was getting out of the truck. It wasn't until it was brought up here that I went back and looked to confirm. Could it be the jury did the same thing? Watched the video focused on who got out of the truck and it wasn't until closing arguments that they heard of the key and lock so no one else was in the truck?

This jury does have me worried. Ever since the Pinellas county village idiots, I have not had much confidence in the common sense factor of jurors. Given the fact the DT has a buddy on the jury, adds to my discomfort. I believe the evidence speaks volumes, but I'm not sure if the jury had their hearing aids on.

 

[Hatfield]

I cant believe the video was not transcribed either for the jury. The jury needs some good clear documents to see and that was one of my biggest complaints about the states case. I do wonder if this judge limited things and maybe that is why the prosecution team could not give a transcript. If judge did things like that then he needs to be removed from the bench.

 

[DaleTray]

SM is a great liar. Most often, if LE shows up unannounced and jumps all around with questions out of sequence, the person answering will have a small delay/pause prior to responding to ensure they keep their story straight, etc. Sidney responded extremely quickly in every answer. Even in all the lies he told in answering, he answered quickly. I guess Sidney had prepared his answers in his head but he never had one tiny pause.