MISTRIAL - Sidney Moorer on trial for the kidnapping of Heather Elvis #4

[TTF14]

I found a 24 page study from University of Texas about average time of jury deliberations.

From the study: "The average jury in our data deliberates for 114 minutes prior to reaching a
decision. The quickest jury managed to come to a conclusion after just 11
minutes and the longest deliberation in our data was 470 minutes. "

and..."Juries with more male jurors are indistinguishable from juries with fewer male
jurors. "

but also..."Guilty verdicts take less time than verdicts that declare the defendant not guilty."

Source: http://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/download?doi=10.1.1.163.9937&rep=rep1&type=pdf

 

[cujenn81]

I made it to the store and back - hooray! Now I'm cleaning with the live stream playing in the background just patiently waiting

 

[razzledazzle]

Since we are just here waiting.... IMO - I don't think that Heather was even aware that SM purchased a pregnancy test. I think that if Heather was pg at one time, she was no longer. She met SM because of the things he said to her on the phone. He lured her away and IMO, TM would have been the one to force the pg test. SM was supposed to bring Heather to "meet the Mrs." He did. I won't speculate on what happened next. JMO

 

[Madeleine74]

Yes, we know that, but did the judge tell the jury that?

I didn't listen to the judge in this case, but in every other case I've followed, those are included in the pattern jury instructions. Pretty standard stuff, actually.

 

[escape2sc]

I appreciate your comments and believe much of it...but...from a man's perspective...I doubt he gave her the preg test to take home. If I went to all the efforts, calling mucho times, stopping at Wal Mart, etc, I will expect my pregnancy answers quickly and I want to see results with my own eyes. Who knows, maybe HE didnt want SM to see the negative results and that is where the night started down wrong path. I sort of think SM sprung the test on her and wanted a quick verifiable amswer

Good point. Sidney buying the pregnancy test isn't a deciding factor for me , I just threw it in there to tie in the pregnancy test . From a woman's perspective, I never relied on the accuracy of the home tests and wanted a Doctor to confirm the pregnancy. Who knows maybe she ran home to get a paper with hospital/clinic or Dr confirmation of a pregnancy.

 

[OkieGranny]

Also, do we have an updated map with the location of longbeards added?

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We do!

 

[NFYIAMY]

I would hope that looking at the end of the chain and working backwards to affirm that it tells the story the state advanced is not how this jury approaches deliberation.

And where was SM and TM during all this phone and restaurant rodeoing? And Heather was not just driving. She was at the restaurant twice for a total of nearly half an hour.

As for the pregnancy test and forcing her to pee on a dark road, or snatching her to take her to pee somewhere else, I just have some trouble with that. Surely, there was an easier way to get a pregnancy confirmation than grabbing her and forcing the answer. He wanted to be with her? There was some news or suspicion that she was pregnant? Then, 'Ok, let's meet, I'll even spring for the test, and let's see if we have something to celebrate.' That's how that lie would have gone down. And maybe it did. So why was she at a restaurant and then a dark boat landing?

I know the M's are behind this, but I honestly don't know who did what and when. And neither does the state.

Sometimes I wonder if the preg test didn't happen at her apartment -- then he tells her he's def leaving TM -- but thinks he may need her to pick him up because TM may take his keys - lock him out - whatever ......so she waited for him at the landing ----thinking things were finally taking a turn for what she thought was good.....

 

[Leader6518]

Yes, we know that, but did the judge tell the jury that?

Yes. The judge did tell the jury that what the attorney's say is not evidence. He went on to tell them that if the attorney said something and they remembered it differently, they are to go with their memory or look at the evidence. Not to take the attorney's word for it.

 

[NFYIAMY]

We do!

FWIW - Longbeards sits behind a small shopping center. Kinda back in the woods - kinda cool place to eat / hang out.

 

[Madeleine74]

Good point. Sidney buying the pregnancy test isn't a deciding factor for me , I just threw it in there to tie in the pregnancy test . From a woman's perspective, I never relied on the accuracy of the home tests and wanted a Doctor to confirm the pregnancy. Who knows maybe she ran home to get a paper with hospital/clinic or Dr confirmation of a pregnancy.

There's no evidence of that (hospital/clinic doctor confirmation of a pregnancy). SM did purchase that test and it was not for his wife. Whether or not Heather was actually pregnant isn't important--it's that the M's *thought* she was or could be. He/They lured her out. That's the issue.

 

[rob]

I appreciate your comments and believe much of it...but...from a man's perspective...I doubt he gave her the preg test to take home. If I went to all the efforts, calling mucho times, stopping at Wal Mart, etc, I will expect my pregnancy answers quickly and I want to see results with my own eyes. Who knows, maybe HE didnt want SM to see the negative results and that is where the night started down wrong path. I sort of think SM sprung the test on her and wanted a quick verifiable answer. I think i think SM was over the relationship and wanted to be free of HE but realized the ongoing drama if she was pregs. Either HE or someone else had SM thinking or almosting knowing HE was pregnant. Maybe she wasnt pregnant but using this as a bluff to maybe see SM again. Just guesses on my part

I don't know, if she was also dating other guys, like the one she went out with that night, I think he'd go down the 'it ain't my baby route'
I also think most girls, if they thought they were pregnant, wouldn't start dating a new guy.
But, I'm old and from a different age, maybe they do that now?
MOO only

 

[NFYIAMY]

Don't know if this has been posted before - but this youtuber has great video of the whole trial...... pretty amazing to go looking back to things that were said/not said....

LadyJustice2188

 

[Leader6518]

I appreciate your comments and believe much of it...but...from a man's perspective...I doubt he gave her the preg test to take home. If I went to all the efforts, calling mucho times, stopping at Wal Mart, etc, I will expect my pregnancy answers quickly and I want to see results with my own eyes. Who knows, maybe HE didnt want SM to see the negative results and that is where the night started down wrong path. I sort of think SM sprung the test on her and wanted a quick verifiable answer. I think i think SM was over the relationship and wanted to be free of HE but realized the ongoing drama if she was pregs. Either HE or someone else had SM thinking or almosting knowing HE was pregnant. Maybe she wasnt pregnant but using this as a bluff to maybe see SM again. Just guesses on my part

Or part of her getting on with life involved an abortion? I just remember BW stating that she was crying and upset asking why now? After she was moving on with her life. It would make sense to me that she was emotional about making a decision to abort her baby only to have the baby daddy tell her he wanted her after all. JMO, but it was my initial thought during that particular portion of BW's testimony.

 

[Madeleine74]

Or part of her getting on with life involved an abortion? I just remember BW stating that she was crying and upset asking why now?

Heather would have told her BFF if she were pregnant and thinking of getting an abortion. She discussed everything else with her BFF. Heather was upset because she had finally moved on from the affair with Sidney, she was getting her life back together, she had moved in with Bri, she had interviewed and been offered a new job, and she was finally starting to be interested in someone else (SS) and bam, SM calls right at that point.

 

[geevee]

Yes, we know that, but did the judge tell the jury that?

It was impossible to tell with his rambling-ons, I really don't have the patience to go back and listen to the whole thing but I don't recall him mentioning that. BTW, nice to see you, Popsicle.

 

[latisha.darnell]

I don't know, if she was also dating other guys, like the one she went out with that night, I think he'd go down the 'it ain't my baby route'
I also think most girls, if they thought they were pregnant, wouldn't start dating a new guy.
But, I'm old and from a different age, maybe they do that now?
MOO only

I had a friend who got pregnant at 16"one night stand" she dated and had sex with a different guy. So it def. happens


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[DaleTray]

I forget the proper legal terms of the transaction but it is standard for the DT to state the prosecutor (at the end of the testimony) didnt prove the case and request the judge to drop all charges. I thought the judge brought out the important details against SM as to why the charges wouldnt be dropped. Now, all we need is a persuasive jury member to make the same articulate convincing points. That was the first time I had appreciated this judge

 

[escape2sc]

For me it all boils down to the phone calls and the truck on the video.

Sidney just happens to call her for the time since November ......2 + hours before she disappears
Heather calls Sidney's phone and talks for 4 minutes ....19 minutes before she disappears
Heather tries calling Sidney's phone in the very last minutes before she disappears
Truck is on video ..to PTL 5 minutes before she disappears
Truck is on video..from PTL 7 minutes after she disappears

The only person Heather had contact with or tried to contact after her phone call with Bri was Sidney

 

[popsicle]

It was impossible to tell with his rambling-ons, I really don't have the patience to go back and listen to the whole thing but I don't recall him mentioning that. BTW, nice to see you, Popsicle.

:lol: That is how I felt too. Leader answered that he did. Good to see you too Geevee, thanks for the laugh!

 

[Motherof5]

Sidney back in his seat.