MISTRIAL - Sidney Moorer on trial for the kidnapping of Heather Elvis #5

[bestill]

And, another thing before I step away...

What was purchased at the Bi-Lo on 12/18? Remember, the receipt that was found during the search of the compound in a blue outdoor trash can. :thinking:

Also, I was really anticipating Nancy lugging that torso mannequin into the court room. :escape:

TM's trial is my guess on both of those items.

 

[bestill]

RSBM: Yeah, I believe she was in that truck about as much as I believe she was having SM followed. Tracking his phone, maybe, but not having an actual person follow him.

What about a boyfriend? Do you believe that she had one? I don't I think she's said that to try and make SM jealous. He actually didn't seem too concerned about it when he texted Heather that she had one. I believe that was SM texting then because if it had been TM it would have been "I love my beautiful hot wife" "I can't live without her" " blah, blah, blah

 

[PeterThomasFan]

I am sure he realized that there were cameras in Walmart. Purposely trying to be on camera? I don't know? What do you think his thoughts were about being on camera at the payphone, regardless of what direction he was coming from?

The direction of travel is very important IMO.

Coming from the Wal-Mart to the pay phone, SM could have pulled into the Kangaroo parking lot and parked near the pay phone itself. But, he did not. He or whoever was driving at the time pulled into the back entrance way and jumped between the trees to the pay phone. Why? Did he know a camera was there and didn't want the vehicle seen? Or, did he know a camera was there and didn't think it would ever be an issue?

Aerial Map of the Kangaroo - https://goo.gl/cbsY5I

 

[LBDunes]

The direction of travel is very important IMO.

Coming from the Wal-Mart to the pay phone, SM could have pulled into the Kangaroo parking lot and parked near the pay phone itself. But, he did not. He or whoever was driving at the time pulled into the back entrance way and jumped between the trees to the pay phone. Why? Did he know a camera was there and didn't want the vehicle seen? Or, did he know a camera was there and didn't think it would ever be an issue?

Aerial Map of the Kangaroo - https://goo.gl/cbsY5I

I think he knew a camera was there and didn't think it would ever be an issue, because he did want the truck off of camera. Why not just pull right up to the phone?

I'm not following the direction of travel being very important.

 

[Madeleine74]

BBM - I agree that the kidnapping could have taken place there. That means the kidnapper was proven to be in that area at the time she was there. I just don't believe that she was carried away from that location based on the evidence. I believe it was at PTL. I have reasoned that based on the evidence I weighed it against, including witnesses and the data. I personally would believe if the intersection of his truck and the data showing her phone was last detected at Longbeards then that would have been the last trace of her. I believe 2 of the elements of the charge were met. According to the laws of South Carolina, whoever shall unlawfully seize, confine, inveigle, decoy, kidnap, abduct or carry away any other person by any means whatsoever without authority of law. I believe the 2nd element (carry away) was at PTL. The first element inveigal (persuade (someone) to do something by means of deception) was the phone call. The evidence doesn't indicate that the last place she was at was Longbeards.

For me the 'where was she taken' is not important to proving the charges in that I know she was taken that early morning. Whether it happened at or near LB or at or near PTL is of no consequence to the 'who' is criminally responsible. The phone call from the pay phone was the 'luring/enticing/persuading' part and the moment she was taken away from her vehicle completes the charge. Like you I believe the charge was met beyond a reasonable doubt to meet the threshold for guilt. I actually have no doubt at all that she was taken and who did it.

 

[Madeleine74]

What about a boyfriend? Do you believe that she had one? I don't I think she's said that to try and make SM jealous. He actually didn't seem too concerned about it when he texted Heather that she had one. I believe that was SM texting then because if it had been TM it would have been "I love my beautiful hot wife" "I can't live without her" " blah, blah, blah

TM have a boyfriend in 2013? Other than the one in her imagination, no way. And *if* she did, then was SM purchasing a pregnancy test for TM to take to see if she was pregnant with her 'boyfriend's' baby? lololol.

 

[Madeleine74]

I am sure he realized that there were cameras in Walmart. Purposely trying to be on camera? I don't know? What do you think his thoughts were about being on camera at the payphone, regardless of what direction he was coming from?

I realize you're asking this of PTF, but my thought is that SM figured as long as he was paying cash for his purchase, there would not be an obvious trail for LE to follow on that. I don't think he wanted to be seen on camera, but there was no way to avoid it either. So he did what he thought would work at the time (cash purchase) with the hope that the cops would not find out. Why he *had* to purchase a pregnancy test that early morning is intriguing. There's no urgent need at 1:19am, but for SM there was. How police knew to look at Walmart is an interesting question--did they get a tip? Was there a cash receipt found? Don't recall hearing anything about the details.

 

[bestill]

TM have a boyfriend in 2013? Other than the one in her imagination, no way. And *if* she did, then was SM purchasing a pregnancy test for TM to take to see if she was pregnant with her 'boyfriend's' baby? lololol.

Don't give her any ideas! :happydance:

 

[LBDunes]

I realize you're asking this of PTF, but my thought is that SM figured as long as he was paying cash for his purchase, there would not be an obvious trail for LE to follow on that. I don't think he wanted to be seen on camera, but there was no way to avoid it either. So he did what he thought would work at the time (cash purchase) with the hope that the cops would not find out. Why he *had* to purchase a pregnancy test that early morning is intriguing. There's no urgent need at 1:19am, but for SM there was. How police knew to look at Walmart is an interesting question--did they get a tip? Was there a cash receipt found? Don't recall hearing anything about the details.

All good stuff up there. It could be they found the receipt. I also think it is a possibility since that Walmart is in the general area of the payphone they checked it by chance to see what he may have bought. I don't think they thought it would be a pregnancy test and a cigar. They may have been thinking he may have purchased other items.

 

[1&2&3]

If he really wanted to know if she was pregnant, why buy the cheapest pregnancy test? It would be the least dependable and from earlier reports on here, was a bit more difficult to take.

Could the time her phone shows she was parked by the dumpsters at Longbeards be the time she was actually taking the pregnancy test? There has been so many "fluctuations" as to what happened, who was driven where, this could be totally off the time line!

 

[ZooSleuth]

And, another thing before I step away...

What was purchased at the Bi-Lo on 12/18? Remember, the receipt that was found during the search of the compound in a blue outdoor trash can. :thinking:

Also, I was really anticipating Nancy lugging that torso mannequin into the court room. :escape:

Maybe popsicles and orange juice?

 

[Dylgem22]

The text messages that we question, the ones that were really hard to see during trial about the orange juice and Popsicles or whatever ... Who sent those and to who? Were they from HE to SM (or her phone at least) ... If so, those would show that HE did plan on meeting him out if she asked him to bring something .. And his reply with yes ma'am shows he was either going to meet her or just appeasing her so she would get to PTL ..

Can anyone shed light on these correspondences?? Thoughts?? Thanks!

 

[ZooSleuth]

The text messages that we question, the ones that were really hard to see during trial about the orange juice and Popsicles or whatever ... Who sent those and to who? Were they from HE to SM (or her phone at least) ... If so, those would show that HE did plan on meeting him out if she asked him to bring something .. And his reply with yes ma'am shows he was either going to meet her or just appeasing her so she would get to PTL ..

Can anyone shed light on these correspondences?? Thoughts?? Thanks!

I think they were TM to SM

 

[CarolinaAsh]

Hello all! Multiple things to address here, you all got me thinking and hit on some other things I had questions about.

The only reason I doubt SM was having relations with someone else besides Heather at that time is no other suggestion or info of him doing so was in evidence. Surely if there were others someone from TK would have said something about it. I really think that note left with the "ladies" (plural) at TK was so that just the one person who was involved with SM (Heather) would not be pointed out directly.

I feel like if that were the case then whoever wrote it would have just told her directly. I really do feel there was someone else at TK who either had a relationship with SM or WANTED to, and viewed HE as competition. Between that note, SM's track record, and the "prank call" (WHO DOES SOMETHING LIKE THAT, GEEZ.)? It feels like someone was secretly involved with SM either in reality or in their own head and was trying to get rid of the competition. First the note, then the call, then finally actually telling TM?

Somebody on SM--either one of the case pages or the news pages--mentioned Longbeards a day prior to the info coming out. I have looked everywhere to try to find that comment with no luck. I wish I would have bookmarked it.

Argh I did not hear this. Granted, I was so busy with work that I had trouble following the trial itself! I had it playing in the background at work as much as I could.

JMO
I thought that as well that the "ladies" note was done just not to single out heather but now I am wondering about TM's spy that has never come forward. There is someone out there that is not known yet if we are to believe TM about her spy that she had for many months.

Lets assume for a minute there was an another female employee at TK that happened to befriend SM and got a little too friendly with him and then one day TM is there so this person befriends TM to cover that she has been seeing SM. Then if TM asked her to do her a favor and keep an eye on SM for her then she may have gladly agreed to further coverup that she is seeing him herself.

I just cant understand how a person that would spy for them and they end up in a murder case that that person would have not gone to LE by now with all they know. Unless they too feel guilty about something like maybe sleeping with SM too at one time.

We do know of one person that would have had communication with both SM and TM. The manager because TM called there all the time. Hmmmmm

All speculation and no basis. Just wish the spy would go to LE and tell all they know.

Or unless they feel guilty for telling TM and getting HE into this situation? OR maybe they're actually scared that it'll come out they had a relationship with SM and somehow TM will get them too?

What was SM's alibi after the Wal-Mart and payphone call? Anyone?

SM told LEO that he was working at Sticky Fingers that night.

TM said she was home "couponing" and PC said the truck never left the yard.

As for the 3:17am call, the M's said they were at home in bed.

In the WBTW interview, SM said that the pregnancy test was for his wife and also placed her in the truck while he was inside the Wal-Mart making his purchase.

It is in my opinion that if SM was going to Wal-Mart from Sticky Fingers, her would have entered from the West side of the parking lot.

If he was going to the Wal-Mart from the direction of Heather's apartment, he would have entered the Wal-Mart parking lot from the North.

In the Wal-Mart video played during testimony (01:01:31), it clearly shows SM's truck entering from the North.

:thinking: & :moo:

No way was that test for his wife. That's the biggest load of bull I've ever heard. It's too cheap and unreliable, and why the heck would they need it right then? And if he were working at Sticky Fingers, they close at 10, so he would have been there right around then, working as they finished up for the night. But what time did he leave there? I hope LE checked out that thoroughly. Back to the setup though. If you are buying a pregnancy test for your wife you would not then be calling your ex-mistress to say you're leaving her, from a pay phone. If you were leaving your wife you wouldn't be buying a pregnancy test for her, clearly. If you were calling to tell her to leave you alone because you thought your wife was pregnant and were working it out, you wouldn't do it from a pay phone, you'd do it from your phone. Although since HE had moved on, you shouldn't do it at all!!! But above all else who in the world still uses a payphone?!?! I saw one at a rest area a year or so ago and took a picture for Instagram because it was like seeing a unicorn! And we know SM had cell phones, so the only reason you'd do that is if your wife had confiscated your phone and was mad, or you didn't want to leave a trail, but too bad you're a snail and leave one anyways! And this, this was planned, because you'd have to plan it to know about the phone, and to not have your cell when you were just at work. Have you ever known anyone self employed who doesn't have their phone glued to their body? No! They might miss a client call. I'd love to see security camera footage from that gas station from Dec 11, 2013 to Dec 18, 2013 and see if a M shows up and checks that phone to see if it works.

Not sure if she was in the truck, but someone was using his phone calling a number with a NJ area code around the time he was in WM

This I want to see. I missed that in the trial. I'd love to know where it pinged and what that number was.

All good stuff up there. It could be they found the receipt. I also think it is a possibility since that Walmart is in the general area of the payphone they checked it by chance to see what he may have bought. I don't think they thought it would be a pregnancy test and a cigar. They may have been thinking he may have purchased other items.

Definitely possible. Especially since it's pretty much gonna be the only thing around there open that late. Although I wonder if someone did send in a tip about it.

If he really wanted to know if she was pregnant, why buy the cheapest pregnancy test? It would be the least dependable and from earlier reports on here, was a bit more difficult to take.

Could the time her phone shows she was parked by the dumpsters at Longbeards be the time she was actually taking the pregnancy test? There has been so many "fluctuations" as to what happened, who was driven where, this could be totally off the time line!

That is a very good question. One I wish we could turn back time for. Oh to be able to go back and check that dumpster! I bet we'd find all kinds of goodies. Like maybe a Walmart receipt.

The text messages that we question, the ones that were really hard to see during trial about the orange juice and Popsicles or whatever ... Who sent those and to who? Were they from HE to SM (or her phone at least) ... If so, those would show that HE did plan on meeting him out if she asked him to bring something .. And his reply with yes ma'am shows he was either going to meet her or just appeasing her so she would get to PTL ..

Can anyone shed light on these correspondences?? Thoughts?? Thanks!

Which brings me to, does anyone have screenshots of the stuff shown to the jurors?

And lastly. I have a new theory. What if... HE and SM did meet at LB. HE drives them back to her place because her roomie is gone, it's ok, she's out of town, we can screw in an actual bed! But that doesn't work for SM, because too many possible witnesses. So he talks her into PTL, because that's got meaning for them, and it's where he and TM agreed on. So she by passes the apartment. They get to PTL, they fool around a little, maybe he brought something to drink that's laced with something. HE gets incapacitated, but TM is late, they agreed on a time, she's not there with the truck yet, he is paranoid so he calls his phone because TM has it. Maybe he's worried TM is setting him up to be found with an unconscious HE, But really it's just something silly, maybe a kid had an issue, maybe she had to use the bathroom, whatever. She's late, they argue "I'm almost there! WHY ARE YOU CALLING FROM HER PHONE!? STOP!" Finally she gets there and they load HE in the truck, they take her purse and cell phone because now he's gone and made calls on it and there's evidence. But her ID and stuff falls out of her purse, they don't get everything. But why no DNA or prints from SM in the car? He was wearing his beanie, his hair was secured, he was wearing gloves, it's December, HE wouldn't have questioned that.... just... letting my mind wander now with the new evidence, this is all just a theory and possibility and my current ::moo::

 

[Surfside]

SM is a liar and a cheat. I have no reason but to believe he also lied and cheated on Heather. SM was certainly not a one woman man.

The way he looked in court all cleaned up is not the way he appeared to the girls with his long hair and beard.

He was a player and a ladies man.

The State knows all of this but they were keeping Heathers case 'clean' so as to not confused the jury.

MOO

What evidence do we have that SM "was a player and a ladies man?" I know this is only your opinion, but I need to see something that points to his relationship with Heather being part of a pattern. IMHO, I just don't see it. Thinking about his life as a submissive husband, who lives in the backyard of his in-laws, and whose home-schooled children are ALWAYS there, I see him as having been pitiful and feeling trapped.

Along comes this vibrant, strong-minded, beautiful young girl, and she wants him! She allowed him to escape his miserable existence. I know we all love Heather, but we can't ignore what we know to be true, and that's the fact that she pursued him. In her own words:

▲Moonchild▼ ‏@HeatherElvis 7 Jul 2013
The guy who builds things at my job...

▲Moonchild▼ ‏@HeatherElvis 7 Jul 2013
ONE OF THESE DAYS I WILL DRAG THAT MAN INTO THE MOP CLOSET AND HAVE MY WAY WITH HIM LORD HAVE MERCY

 

[Paulas88]

Question: will there be a new prosecutor and judge for the new trial? I hope so.

 

[Surfside]

What about a boyfriend? Do you believe that she had one? I don't I think she's said that to try and make SM jealous. He actually didn't seem too concerned about it when he texted Heather that she had one. I believe that was SM texting then because if it had been TM it would have been "I love my beautiful hot wife" "I can't live without her" " blah, blah, blah

I agree that a text from TM would have more of a fairy-tale feel to it, but no, I don't think she had a boyfriend. I think that was just her being in emotional-protection mode. She was devastated by SM having an affair, but didn't want the young, beautiful mistress to know how hurt or insecure she was feeling. She was trying to minimize any appearance that she was in pain. JMO, of course.

 

[Surfside]

The text messages that we question, the ones that were really hard to see during trial about the orange juice and Popsicles or whatever ... Who sent those and to who?

Can anyone shed light on these correspondences?? Thoughts?? Thanks!

I think they were TM to SM

When were these texts sent, btw?

 

[Madeleine74]

There's no evidence that has Sidney also seeing some other gal from TK at the same time as Heather. ALL his various txt messages and calls involving another woman are to/from Heather over those months. The testimony is that Sid would hang out at TK to see Heather, he would bring things to Heather. The sign put up is a classic "passive-aggressive" type sign in order to embarrass Heather publicly but without actually confronting her directly. I'm sure most, if not all, the gals who worked there knew H.E. and S.M. were having an affair.

 

[magnolia]

What evidence do we have that SM "was a player and a ladies man?" I know this is only your opinion, but I need to see something that points to his relationship with Heather being part of a pattern. IMHO, I just don't see it. Thinking about his life as a submissive husband, who lives in the backyard of his in-laws, and whose home-schooled children are ALWAYS there, I see him as having been pitiful and feeling trapped.

Along comes this vibrant, strong-minded, beautiful young girl, and she wants him! She allowed him to escape his miserable existence. I know we all love Heather, but we can't ignore what we know to be true, and that's the fact that she pursued him. In her own words:

It would be hard to convince me Heather was the first woman SM has been with outside his marriage. There are many vibrant, strong-minded, beautiful young women out there.