MISTRIAL - Sidney Moorer on trial for the kidnapping of Heather Elvis #5

[Madeleine74]

Maybe she did say NO, then called Bri, but after that call with Bri, Heather had a change of heart and decided to meet up with SM. Bri never did say what Heather's state of mind was, just that Bri kept telling her "don't do it". right?

??

Bri testified that Heather was "crying hysterically," and expressed anger, confusion and pain over just starting to move on, having her first 'official' date with someone new and bam, SM contacted her to tell her he missed her, left his wife, and wanted to be with her.

In fact the solicitor had Bri repeat that story 2 times because the first time Bri was crying.

 

[PeterThomasFan]

Aren't there 2 sticky fingers in that area?
I assume that both would have cameras if 1 of them does.
But, they could be fake cameras as well, I guess.

as an aside, I think that some surveillance cameras can be set to only capture video or stills when there is movement. So, maybe there was nothing to show. But, nothing to show means no one was there.

This is true, but doubt a business such as SF would use that type of system IMO.

SF was brought up early on here. Not sure if LE even requested video from them? At the least to verify his claim of working there that night.

Also, most businesses like this have cameras inside as well.

 

[JerseyGirl]

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Bri testified that Heather was "crying hysterically," and expressed anger, confusion and pain over just starting to move on, having her first 'official' date with someone new and bam, SM contacted her to tell her he missed her, left his wife, and wanted to be with her.

In fact the solicitor had Bri repeat that story 2 times because the first time Bri was crying.

I know that, but it doesn't quite say exactly what Heather said other than that SM called to say he is leaving his wife. There was no clear dialogue in that phone call about specifically meeting him that night.

Bri did not mention Heather wanting to specifically meet with SM that night, just that he called and told her he was leaving his wife basically.

 

[TTF14]

I can just picture TM sitting at her computer and saying "warmer, warmer, warmer, hot...hot...HOT!!!.....eh, warm....warm...colder.....colder....COLD..." with all of our theories. It's a drinking game and every time we get colder she gets to drink.

 

[Madeleine74]

In BW's testimony, Heather told her that Sidney had called from an unknown number. I am not sure of the verbage used but Heather did not seem to know it was a payphone. IIRC some WSers did a test on that phone or another one closeby and it just said "AT&T" for the caller id.

According to Bri Testimony: Bri asked Heather "Why did you answer that call?" Heather told Bri the call was from an "843" number, and not one she recognized or had blocked in her contact list. Heather did not know it was a pay phone at that point. If she ever found out, we don't know.

 

[Madeleine74]

I know that, but it doesn't quite say exactly what Heather said other than that SM called to say he is leaving his wife. There was no clear dialogue in that phone call about specifically meeting him that night.

Bri did not mention Heather wanting to specifically meet with SM that night, just that he called and told her he was leaving his wife basically.

But what you commented on specifically was "Bri never did say what Heather's state of mind was." And she did in fact tell the jury all about Heather's state of mind during that call. And that's what I was responding to in your post.

 

[LBDunes]

This is true, but doubt a business such as SF would use that type of system IMO.

SF was brought up early on here. Not sure if LE even requested video from them? At the least to verify his claim of working there that night.

Also, most businesses like this have cameras inside as well.

If there was video, which should have had a timeline, wouldn't it be malpractice of his lawyer not to have at least 1 witness to testify to that? I just can't imagine if this were true, the defense not bringing up a witness to testify to that?

 

[PeterThomasFan]

In BW's testimony, Heather told her that Sidney had called from an unknown number. I am not sure of the verbage used but Heather did not seem to know it was a payphone. IIRC some WSers did a test on that phone or another one closeby and it just said "AT&T" for the caller id.

Correct. So, it doesn't appear that LE asked SM if he told Heather that he was calling her from a pay phone?

My point being, if Heather knew SM was calling from a pay phone, she most likely (IMO) wouldn't have called it back an hour later.

When I tested the phone, it wasn't working at all.

 

[Unykorn&Reignbeaus]

As far as wearing a Stickey Fingers t-shirt that night.... if he was an independent contactor, why would he wear a shirt with the company logo on it? Does he has one for all the companies he does work for (i.e. TK, Red Lobster, LB, etc)? I am not sure what type of shirts they actually wear at the restaurant but many of them have shirts one can purchase.... And if he was working at SF that night why have Heather meet him at LB?

 

[nerdgirl]

I know that, but it doesn't quite say exactly what Heather said other than that SM called to say he is leaving his wife. There was no clear dialogue in that phone call about specifically meeting him that night.

Bri did not mention Heather wanting to specifically meet with SM that night, just that he called and told her he was leaving his wife basically.

I just went and watched the video- Bri speaking:
"I said 'well, what did he want'
she said that he said that he left his wife
that he missed her (as in heather)
that he wanted to see her and be with her

and I got angry and I said, 'don't do it',
you're finally moving on with your life'
...
at the end of the conversation, I asked her if
she was planning on seeing sidney, and she told
me that she was going to go to sleep and think on it."
"

 

[JerseyGirl]

But what you commented on specifically was "Bri never did say what Heather's state of mind was." And she did in fact tell the jury all about Heather's state of mind during that call. And that's what I was responding to in your post.

What I meant was, Heather diddn't specifically tell Bri exactly what the conversation entailed other than he was leaving TM and he missed her.

I wish she would have said, "Heather told me she was going to meet with SM that night and I told her NO".

 

[JerseyGirl]

I also think it's a shame that out legal system allows, in this case, the defense lawyer to make up excuses for his client, even though his client did not testify nor did he produce a witness to back up his claim.

I think perhaps KT's closing arguments is what raised doubt in these 2 jurors, which is unfair because no one testified to the fact that SM was working that night, etc.

 

[Madeleine74]

I also think it's a shame that out legal system allows, in this case, the defense lawyer to make up excuses for his client, even though his client did not testify nor did he produce a witness to back up his claim.

I think perhaps KT's closing arguments is what raised doubt in these 2 jurors, which is unfair because no one testified to the fact that SM was working that night, etc.

Since the solicitor never got a chance to do a rebuttal closing, the jury was left with that excuse.

 

[lstiff]

No, he did not say her phone was roaming around the parking lot.

No, he said there was no movement of the phone at that location, but she made two calls to the pay phone. The phone then moved to the housing complex, turned around and moved to the area between the RR tracks and the retention pond where two more calls to the pay phone were made. It then moved back to her house.

ETA: He actually said there were two calls made from her phone. I didn't mean to imply that he said anything about Heather.

Oh so movement being calls not physical movement. Thank you for the clarification, I understood that one completely wrong! :blushing:

 

[jillycat]

Oh so movement being calls not physical movement. Thank you for the clarification, I understood that one completely wrong! :blushing:

Actually, movement did mean the movement of the phone, as opposed to calling activity. So the phone was stationary at LB's (not moving), but there was call activity. It moved physically to another location (the housing complex) but there was no activity on the phone. etc. Does that make more sense? Lol, I know, it's confusing following that phone and its activities.

 

[razzledazzle]

In reference to camera footage or proof as to where and when SM may have been working that night.... At my office there is a camera outside and motion detectors inside. It's a small business. Each contractor that comes in has a different passcode to disable and reset the alarm system. This is how we know who is in the building and when. We can access a printout online.

 

[jillycat]

I would like to know if LE checked the cameras around town along Heather's route. Specifically the restaurant where she stopped and stayed for a total of 30 mins. I feel LE has the missing link we are seeking here. For some reason, they did not and do not want to tell us what it is. I'm not suggesting what they may know implicates someone else. There is no use pretending there is not an elephant in the room. It's too obvious. IMO

I really don't know why activity that's so much a part of the timeline and occurred after the first call would not be disclosed until now, or why the number of calls to the pay phone was simply characterized as "several" after the rest of the call timeline that was released was so detailed. I can see no advantage to the investigation by keeping that under wraps. In fact, there could have been other witnesses that emerged from disclosing this.

It seems that the LB's portion of the greater timeline is viewed as a sidebar. But her Tumblr posts and times are important?

 

[Meemaw12]

I think SM got the preg test thinking he could get HE to allow him to come to her apt that night. Telling her he left TM, wanted to see her, we can do the test together. HE didn't allow him. If she had she would have disappeared from there IMO.

She has no idea he is calling from a pay phone (he has no idea it can be traced) who knows what lie he told her about the phone number. He tells her he will be at LBs after a certain time, she waits 1:47 mins, changes clothes, leaves for LBs at 2:32. Waits 19 mins he doesn't show, she leaves, turns around gets back to LBs at 3:02, waits 14 more mins leaves at 3:16. With him telling her he left TM, she feels it's safe to call his cell, while driving from LBs to her apt she calls his cell at 3:16. While driving she is talking to him on his cell until 3:22. She arrives home at 3:20 still talking to him. They hang up at 3:24, at 3:25 she leaves for Peachtree landing. He told her to meet him there.

At 3:37 she is at the landing, he was on his way at 3:36 he passes the residence with the sec camera. She calls his cell at 3:38, 3:39 and 3:39:46' 3:39 he passes the business D n S sec camera, she calls his cell one last time at 3:41:05.

He passes the business leaving the landing at 3:46, the residence at 3:49. (I wonder where the road in front of the residence goes to, other than his house.

So within 5 mins of her last call and his driving by the residence she disappears. She had to be in the truck except there was no dns, hairs, fibers of her in the truck. I guess he could have had a blanket, sheet covering the seat or might have taken the truck and cleaned it out. I don't think she was killed in the truck because she would have struggled and left dna, hair or fibers.

IMO got out of her car, took keys, purse, phone, got in or was put in dead or alive. I'm thinking alive, TM was hiding in back, they took her someplace and killed her.

That's the way I see this happening. Both SM and TM being directly involved.

I also believe he knew she had a date that night. I believe someone working with HE was feeding SM, TM or both info about HE. Need to find out who.


May not be right but that's how I see it

IMO

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[razzledazzle]

One more thing I thought of this weekend. Was it said in the trial that Heather's car was parked facing the water at PTL? If I were going to meet someone in a secluded place like that, I would have pulled around kind of semi-circle so that I could see an approaching vehicle. Pulled in facing the water, to me, suggests Heather's car was dumped there. Also, I believe I remember from the trial that Heather's phone had never pinged at PTL before this night. Leads me to believe she was taken at LB's. I also think the PG test and cigar may have been a red herring. JMO

 

[magnolia]

That SM and TM are involved, not some random stranger.

BBM -- Thank-You Madeleine. I believe most everyone here agrees with that.