Misty C. #2

[Kat]

I'm interested in the timing. It could be nothing but it catches my attention, for now.

In the article that anais posted we have a "Captain Schauland told First Coast News Friday, "I would not list Misty as a suspect. We just want to get the timeline straightened out."

The above snipped was dated 13 MAR 2009


The very next day (14 MAR 2009 we have: "Haleigh Cummings' new stepmother has not been cleared as a suspect..."

and...

""Our interviews with her have been pretty much like what you saw on the "Today Show," Bowling said. "We've confronted her with her inconsistencies and America got a sample of our interviews with her."

Bowling also disputed Croslin's assertion on TV that she wasn't a suspect."


I am going with the lastest article. Given that it's reported that the statements were made by LE.

If that's an accurate assessment of LE's difficulties during interview of MC, in that she hems and haws and says I don't know. I have no reason to doubt LE's report, she really hasn't been forthcoming and cooperative. Sitting down and answering questions with varying stories and inconsistancies, is not cooperative in my book.

My idea of cooperation is telling everything that you know...not even leaving anything out that you may/may not think important but kind of like---spilling your guts so to speak.

Do I think MC is directly responsible for whatever happened to Haleigh. Not yet. I do think however, especially after telling the media that she really wished they wouldn't call her anymore that it's quite possible that MC knows something she is not telling. What that could be I have no clue and don't even have enough information to speculate as to what it could be...all of the above is just my opinion.

 

[raeann]

Depending on which article you read, it is no wonder people involved are saying different things.

1. Misty is not considered a suspect
2. We have not cleared Misty as a suspect
3. The entire world is a suspect
4. We are satisfied with Misty and Rons poly test

They should of stuck with the original no one has been cleared of anything.

You have to read between the lines with LE....

#1 He said he would not "LIST her as a suspect" which means he is not going to label her as one (at this time). He clearly did not say that "she is NOT a suspect".
#2. same as above
#3. Means "we aren't going to answer that question specifically about anyone so stop asking".
#4. "satisfied" may very well mean that they are satisfied that it confirms she is lying....nothing satisfies LE more than the confirmation of what they believe to be the facts of the case.

 

[Kat]

Also from the post by anais (TY anais) we have another comment that isn't disputed or doesn't change in the following article that I can see...that snippet is as follows:

"Misty also mentioned on The Today Show that she had taken a polygraph and that she was told she passed it.Just a couple hours later, Capt. Schauland said the agency was not releasing any information involving the polygraphs. He has said this many times. He did say however, that people who take polygraphs are "normally not told weather they pass or didn't pass."
He added, "I'm not talking about this case; I'm talking about polygraphs in general, but usually there's a line of questioning and it either shows deception or to be inconclusive on question one, two or three. But it really isn't a pass or fail thing."


MC hasn't been told if she passed or not, then I think it's safe to assume that RC and CS haven't been told the details of their poly's either in regard to pass/fail. Dunno.

 

[Kat]

I'm trying to find a text transcript of the Today show interview with Meredith and MC and RC. I see statements made that are assigned to RC and MC that I didn't hear...I want to read instead of try to listen for verification.

TIA for anyone that knows where to locate the text transcript. I really don't want to have to create one today!

 

[Busylady]

I give up lol. I realize Misty is the focus of the investigation, LE has said she is key and the inconsistencies need to be cleared up that it may not solve the case but lead them in the right direction.

My point is that if LE told Misty and Ron they were satisfied with their polys to Ron and Misty that may mean they passed. If they told Ron Misty is not a suspect then for him to say on TV she is not a suspect does not mean he is lying.

I do think LE needs to have one person be the spokesperson because while the message is Misty is the key to the investigation, they word things differently and it can be taken different ways. Going with the latest article doesnt work, because you can go to three different media sites and get 3 different articles where different LE was interviewed and they are just hours apart. Things did not change within those few hours just different people being interviewed by different reporters.

 

[Kat]

I give up lol. I realize Misty is the focus of the investigation, LE has said she is key and the inconsistencies need to be cleared up that it may not solve the case but lead them in the right direction.

My point is that if LE told Misty and Ron they were satisfied with their polys to Ron and Misty that may mean they passed. If they told Ron Misty is not a suspect then for him to say on TV she is not a suspect does not mean he is lying.
I do think LE needs to have one person be the spokesperson because while the message is Misty is the key to the investigation, they word things differently and it can be taken different ways. Going with the latest article doesnt work, because you can go to three different media sites and get 3 different articles where different LE was interviewed and they are just hours apart. Things did not change within those few hours just different people being interviewed by different reporters.

I agree with your point busylady about MC (and RC) are not outright lying about poly's and who's a suspect. That's well said

My posts weren't posted to disagree with that aspect, I was looking at something entirely different and posting other thoughts as I was thinking. I wasn't really following the discussion :blush: I'm bad about that!

I do think that LE might be subtly changing their comments in relation to MC since the wedding and Today show. I am just taking note of it though, I don't know why they would be doing it, or if it is intentional.

 

[Indigo]

I give up lol. I realize Misty is the focus of the investigation, LE has said she is key and the inconsistencies need to be cleared up that it may not solve the case but lead them in the right direction.

My point is that if LE told Misty and Ron they were satisfied with their polys to Ron and Misty that may mean they passed. If they told Ron Misty is not a suspect then for him to say on TV she is not a suspect does not mean he is lying.

I do think LE needs to have one person be the spokesperson because while the message is Misty is the key to the investigation, they word things differently and it can be taken different ways. Going with the latest article doesnt work, because you can go to three different media sites and get 3 different articles where different LE was interviewed and they are just hours apart. Things did not change within those few hours just different people being interviewed by different reporters.

Maybe LE doesn't consider Misty a suspect in the disappearance--but her story is suspect. Her story/timeline, once untangled, may lead to the real suspect.

I think Misty is covering for somebody else. JMO.

 

[nomoresorrow]

On Topic: I'd take LE's word any day over Misty's interpretation of LE's words. Just saying...MOO

 

[Donjeta]

MC hasn't been told if she passed or not, then I think it's safe to assume that RC and CS haven't been told the details of their poly's either in regard to pass/fail. Dunno.

I don't remember where it was but I've seen a video of CS saying she took a polygraph but that the results were not disclosed and they were going to be sent to Washington for analysis.

 

[SeriouslySearching]

Hmmm...time for me to rethink Misty....again. Like I have said before...I don't mind admitting when I am wrong and LE sure is making it clear they believe her to be a POI in what they said in the press.

This is so frustrating all the way around tho. With LE's lack of information to the public on this case, it has gotten to the point where I have to wonder if they have ANYTHING at all!

If LE had physical evidence (which they should have after keeping the home for so long), they should already know the answers to their questions. Was there a stranger in the home? Were there signs of a murder/struggle/abduction in the home? Were there indications of a cover up? Was the van parked at the home when LE arrived? What led them to the van, if not? What evidence did they collect from the van? The blankets (in the van and on Haleigh)? (If one blanket was still in the van, it would mean it had not been washed.) The sheets? The doors?

If Misty is responsible for the disappearance without help: What did she do to Haleigh? How did she dispose of her away from the area? How has she held LE at bay this long? How did she convince the family of her innocence?

 

[Kat]

I don't remember where it was but I've seen a video of CS saying she took a polygraph but that the results were not disclosed and they were going to be sent to Washington for analysis.

IIRC Donjeta, that was a NG episode and I think that is probably what they did with MC's poly too. They may have sent it to DC for it to be looked at...I was thinking possibly FBI? Dunno and dont' have any links to support those thoughts.

 

[Busylady]

I do not think Misty physically did anything to Haleigh, I think Misty might not have been home, or had someone over to the house she should not have.

Hmmm...time for me to rethink Misty....again. Like I have said before...I don't mind admitting when I am wrong and LE sure is making it clear they believe her to be a POI in what they said in the press.

This is so frustrating all the way around tho. With LE's lack of information to the public on this case, it has gotten to the point where I have to wonder if they have ANYTHING at all!

If LE had physical evidence (which they should have after keeping the home for so long), they should already know the answers to their questions. Was there a stranger in the home? Were there signs of a murder/struggle/abduction in the home? Were there indications of a cover up? Was the van parked at the home when LE arrived? What led them to the van, if not? What evidence did they collect from the van? The blankets (in the van and on Haleigh)? (If one blanket was still in the van, it would mean it had not been washed.) The sheets? The doors?

If Misty is responsible for the disappearance without help: What did she do to Haleigh? How did she dispose of her away from the area? How has she held LE at bay this long? How did she convince the family of her innocence?

 

[SeriouslySearching]

LE should have the results of all the tests by now including the DNA tests they took from the families. They should have answers and a clear direction to move the case forward. However, it appears they do not and even John Walsh said they had hit a brick wall.

ETA: You could be right, Busy. I just don't know what to think at the moment. Makes me furious with LE tho. It makes them look totally incompetent, imo. 32 days and they have nothing except for their "Misty's story has holes" mentality which they knew from the minute this started.

 

[raeann]

I don't remember where it was but I've seen a video of CS saying she took a polygraph but that the results were not disclosed and they were going to be sent to Washington for analysis.

This answer seems to be in line with what the LE spokesperson said...'we do no generally state it as a pass/fail kind of thing'. So, I take the answer by CS to be the most accurate of any of the statements made, and I am sure it is the same response given to all who took polygraph tests.

 

[Kat]

My responses will be in red, makes it easier for me to add in this particular post

Hmmm...time for me to rethink Misty....again. Like I have said before...I don't mind admitting when I am wrong and LE sure is making it clear they believe her to be a POI in what they said in the press. (response: I'm having to rethink her again too. She had slipped from the forefront of my mind because her demeanor is that of a vulnerable and naive teenager, I'm not so sure now, can't put my finger on it though.)

This is so frustrating all the way around tho. With LE's lack of information to the public on this case, it has gotten to the point where I have to wonder if they have ANYTHING at all! (I am in agreement, I am floundering over here when all we have to look at is rumor and inuendo and no solid facts from LE, well scant facts)

If LE had physical evidence (which they should have after keeping the home for so long), they should already know the answers to their questions. (I'm thinking they either have or haven't, today my thought is they haven't)

Was there a stranger in the home?(I would love to know what touch DNA discovered or other elements discovered)

Were there signs of a murder/struggle/abduction in the home? Were there indications of a cover up? Was the van parked at the home when LE arrived? What led them to the van, if not? What evidence did they collect from the van? The blankets (in the van and on Haleigh)? (If one blanket was still in the van, it would mean it had not been washed.)The sheets? The doors? (I'm waiting on pins and needles too)

If Misty is responsible for the disappearance without help: What did she do to Haleigh?(IF she is responsible, and only *if* it would have more than likely have been a soft kill, very little evidence left behind on those ---I would think)

How did she dispose of her away from the area? (It's never been verified that there was absolutely no access to a vehicle for her to my knowledge...verified other than rumor)

How has she held LE at bay this long? (Either she doesn't know squat, or she doesn't know what she knows and not telling everything and all isn't helping IMHO)

How did she convince the family of her innocence?

(I gave my opinon on this yesterday on the rumor thread and it didn't float very high, but in a very simplified way, I said that many of us judge others by our own standards of behavior. If we wouldn't hurt a child, or kill, we don't automatically take that leap that the one's that we love dearly and are close to us relationship wise...the leap that they could have a hand in a crime JMHO.)


Good questions SS, made me stop and actually use my noggin for a moment

 

[Lori59]

For me.... Although LE hasn't said much, I do not fault them for that. Their responsibility is to investigate the case not inform the public of their findings during the investigation. Seems to me that LE uses the public as needed. When LE is quite it seems it is because they either have the evidence or have nothing. Releasing information may be used to put pressure on an individual. What they do release tells a direction IMO and all they have spoken on is Misty's time line and her polygraph so I take it that she holds the key in this case.

 

[Kat]

There are as many exceptions to a rule as there are rules. Even if we look at MC's demeanor in interviews, and see a simple (not a bad thing and my term simple doesn't mean ignorant or stupid by any means) naive, vulnerable teenage female we can't rule out any complicity based on what we perceive about her from her media appearances.

Always the most simple forthright explanation of a child disappearing is that the last known person to have seen that child had a hand in it. Yes there are exceptions to that rule.

Statistically speaking, a Parent/caretaker is found to be responsible when a child goes missing (and/or found deceased). Yes there are exceptions to that rule.

Statistically speaking it is a female parent/caretaker that is found to be responsible when a child goes missing (and/or found deceased). Yes, again there are exceptions to that rule.

LE has not come right out and said MC is a suspect or POI. But they haven't come right out and denied it either. After 32 days, you would think that they would either way.

It strikes me more odd that they refuse to exclude her rather than clear her. :waitasec:

But that's just me and my two cents as of today. Subject to change at whim of course.

 

[SeriouslySearching]

I would think there would still be something which could tie Misty to Haleigh's disappearance if she were responsible. (She isn't smarter than another known suspect where the evidence was all over the place, imo.) For her to carry out even a soft kill and dispose of Haleigh, she would have left some clues along the way. There HAS to be something there! LE has overlooked it (proving they are incompetent) or nothing took place at the home and the entire thing happened somewhere else.

 

[tehcloser]

I would think there would still be something which could tie Misty to Haleigh's disappearance if she were responsible. (She isn't smarter than another known suspect where the evidence was all over the place, imo.) For her to carry out even a soft kill and dispose of Haleigh, she would have left some clues along the way. There HAS to be something there! LE has overlooked it (proving they are incompetent) or nothing took place at the home and the entire thing happened somewhere else.

I have wondered MANY times if it actually took place somewhere else.

 

[Donjeta]

I would think there would still be something which could tie Misty to Haleigh's disappearance if she were responsible. (She isn't smarter than another known suspect where the evidence was all over the place, imo.) For her to carry out even a soft kill and dispose of Haleigh, she would have left some clues along the way. There HAS to be something there! LE has overlooked it (proving they are incompetent) or nothing took place at the home and the entire thing happened somewhere else.

At this point I don't think we can know that LE has overlooked it. It might be they have plenty of clues but it's all circumstantial and they would prefer to get more evidence or a confession before making it public.