Misty C #6

[Whisperer]

Finding the reason why they are not clearing anyone may be the biggest clue we will have.

 

[elle1919]

The back door may have been used to carry more than Haleigh out of it, thus the reason for the propping.

lol....I see how this is going, lol. I say something and you counter and vice versa. But about the door, after seeing the NG tour of the home and I heard that screen door slam I remember thinking to myself holy cow that's loud. Maybe whoever unlocked and opened it new darn well that if the door slammed it would wake up the whole neighborhood.

During Misty's last round of tests, she said that she remembers Jr being on one side of her and then waking up when he climbed over her and then being on the opposite side. Maybe she never laid down beside him and he woke up and went out to the livingroom and that is when he heard the couch bouncing and the squeaky shoes. Something is just not adding up

 

[Whisperer]

Right now I am staying on Misty and RC. They are the ones at the home and the scene of the crime. They are the ones that have to be cleared first. Investigation starts here. They have never moved away from the prime targets. Till they are cleared, no one else should be brought into the scenario, imo.

LE starts right there and CLEARS them first. This is the way Crime scenes are processed.

 

[elle1919]

I follow you, but I can't follow you anymore....lol, if I don't go out and watch the MMA fights with my husband I might be in big trouble.

 

[Whisperer]

My thoughts are that block was always there. There was no air lock placed on the screen door....cheap and easy to do too. Anyway, I think it was always there and used when needed.

Hard to imagine the kids not wanting to use that handicap ramp. That would be very tempting to run and play on.

 

[txsvicki]

I stick with the simplest theory till it is disproven. My thoughts were if Misty harmed Haleigh, she would call her brother before anyone else....this is an opinion and pure speculation. I am going on what I believe her personality to be.

I have not added all the peripherals to the story. I am starting with Misty may be the one that harmed Haleigh. She may not have told anyone, I just think she did. If she did, then that is where Tommy comes in. If she didn't, she could have handled it all by herself, ala, Casey.

I agree. She'd call her family before any of the friends or handle it alone. Tommy's behavior is a big concern. The escalating drug use and behavior recently. If he did something on his own, then it does not explain Misty's inconsistencies, the blanket washing, and sleeping arrangement stories. If Tommy helped, he'll still be in big trouble and that could explain the change in personality and increased drug usage. Also, I think it's telling that Misty chose to announce that Tommy had molested her as a kid. I don't see how she'd want to be around him, or how he'd ever associate with her ever again if it's not true, and just wonder if it was some sort of revenge or threat for him to keep his mouth shut.

 

[Skully]

I feel like I am beating the same drum here but Misty's story doesn't hold water. I have looked at lots of children taken from the home kidnappings, and I can't find any that have a bricked door in them. Think about it..... the person came in and went out and baby was gone. I think the back door was opened from the inside. Some one already in the MH opened that door. They had to clear the way for the door to be opened and that meant putting dirty cloths in the washer and dryer. This was a small area, pics up stairs will show you the small space and the bagged laundry tells you how much was there on the floor. Misty wasn't doing laundry. We know that. What we don't know is why did they brick the door. Was it to "prove a kidnapping"? " See the door is open and bricked, someone came in and took Haleigh. " The MH was not a grow house. You need lots of heat and lights and lots of high electric bills and it gives off heat at night and the cops use helicopters to spot it and bust them. there wasn't enough room. IMO I don't think anything was taken out but Haleigh, and it was done before the door was bricked. The question is, how involved was Ron? I am sure Misty was involved, but was Ron? I am sure he is watched as much as Misty. They are not going to let this go.

 

[curvecuti]

In Law and in LE, these types use words that can be played. It is very tricky when they speak. You almost have to understand THEIR language.

LE saying they are satisfied and have not publicly cleared him shows there is a problem.

IMO, they should clear RC ASAP. This would pressure on Misty. LE has not made a move to clear him. They have not told us what hours he worked either. They said they were "satisfied' with eight hours of his timeline...IIRC. Do you or anyone know what RC's regular working hours were? We have been told by people that know people that work there and it has been said that Shoemaker is way off on the clock hours. Regardless, if the LE are truly satisfied with eight hours of timeline/worktime and RC told his pastor he worked eight hours than there are still four unaccounted hours for RC.

No offense, but that is just not true. If that were the case that would mean that anyone they have said is not a suspect, has a problem. And for me, people who know people who work there, that's just not enough. These people who said that he was not at work would have been hounded by the media, everyone would have heard that the Father was not at work. I know it's a "popular" theory but it just doesn't hold water. If LE had all this evidence of RC not at work, RC's phone records and pings not from PDM, and him being on camera at a store while he was supposed to be at work, him on the store camera at 2am, etc., etc., RC would have been interrogated much more and we would have seen signs that LE was supicious of him ala Petersen. Ron would be "the key", not Misty. If MC is covering for someone, imo, it is Tommy, not Ronald. MOO.

 

[debs]

So how would Ronald play into that theory given that LE has said they are satisfied he was at work?

It isn't just semantics; LE stated that they were satisfied that Ronald's alibi was that he was at work. They did not say they were satisfied he was at work.

 

[Pondering Mind]

I agree. She'd call her family before any of the friends or handle it alone. Tommy's behavior is a big concern. The escalating drug use and behavior recently. If he did something on his own, then it does not explain Misty's inconsistencies, the blanket washing, and sleeping arrangement stories. If Tommy helped, he'll still be in big trouble and that could explain the change in personality and increased drug usage. Also, I think it's telling that Misty chose to announce that Tommy had molested her as a kid. I don't see how she'd want to be around him, or how he'd ever associate with her ever again if it's not true, and just wonder if it was some sort of revenge or threat for him to keep his mouth shut.

You know txvicki, I have been thinking along similar lines. Although I believe they all to be drug users, Tommy's apparent escalating drug use as of late is quite telling to me. People use drugs as a means to escape and I'm wondering now if he did help Ron and Misty or had been told info regarding HaLeighs disappearance that is too much weight to bear, hence his recent behavior. Some see that as a sign of guilt that he did something to HaLeigh.. I don't, but I do wonder if he helped dispose of her or knows what happened. Also, it is interesting how quickly Misty threw out the info concerning Tommy molesting her...was she trying to discredit or cast suspicion on him even then? Hmm...So many questions and not a soul saying a word. Someone in this group HAS to have a conscience don't they?!

 

[Pondering Mind]

In Law and in LE, these types use words that can be played. It is very tricky when they speak. You almost have to understand THEIR language.

LE saying they are satisfied and have not publicly cleared him shows there is a problem.
IMO, they should clear RC ASAP. This would pressure on Misty. LE has not made a move to clear him. They have not told us what hours he worked either. They said they were "satisfied' with eight hours of his timeline...IIRC. Do you or anyone know what RC's regular working hours were? We have been told by people that know people that work there and it has been said that Shoemaker is way off on the clock hours. Regardless, if the LE are truly satisfied with eight hours of timeline/worktime and RC told his pastor he worked eight hours than there are still four unaccounted hours for RC.

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You are right Whisperer...I was talking about this to a couple of friends that are Homicide Detectives. Saying they are "satisfied" is such a broad term in their view and could mean so many different things. FWIW, they said if they used those words, it definitely would not mean 'cleared' or 'not a suspect' and most likely just the opposite.

 

[cajun]

I am sure the LE took phones but did they get them all? TN knew or could have known exactly who and when calls were made since they were registered in her name. I think they have to get a subpoena from her to get access to records.

They were still questioning those calls in August as they had to call RC back in and with his Criminal Defense Attorney decided to talk to them ONLY about the phone calls.

Not exactly. The NEW FDLE guy(the new fresh eyes that started from scratch) requested the records from Ron/Terry and they brought them to him. Why he didn't get them from PCSO? Who knows, maybe they lost them or something since apparently Tommy being at the mobile home was new news to them.

 

[cajun]

Apparently there's a problem clearing Crystal too then.

 

[Whisperer]

Crystal is not the problem at this time. The first thing done in an investigation is clear those at the scene. If they cleared R & M, the next to be cleared is Crystal.

My guess is the reason they are not clearing people is so they don't give any clues away to who the perp is. Let them get comfortable. Trouble is the perp already knows this and is not speaking and is highly cocooned. LE needs a break. The people involved are not talking.

 

[Whisperer]

I had a feeling there was a problem getting those phone records. It should make people wonder why RC needs a Criminal Defense Attorney to explain phone calls.

 

[Whisperer]

ONe thing for sure...TN knew ALL about the phone calls from day one. All she had to do was boot up her computer and get the calls. Nothing was said about any calls RC made. RC and TN both insisted Misty was home all night....now why would they do that?


..........AND thanks Debs for clarifying what LE said about RC's work and alibi....it explains the thought process of LE.

 

[Pondering Mind]

Apparently there's a problem clearing Crystal too then.

LOL cajun! Yes, using that hypothesis you're right..as well as me, you, Whisperer .....everyone except the AC man. It's just my own personal theory that is exactly what LE wants Ron and Misty to think! Seriously though, you don't think 'being satisfied' leaves so much open to interpretation? They have never come out and said just exactly what it is that they are satisfied with and IMO it really does matter. I'm not playing semantics or picking a statement apart .. it's my belief that LE used (and uses in general) that particular phrase on purpose. jmo tho.......

 

[txsvicki]

I feel like I am beating the same drum here but Misty's story doesn't hold water. I have looked at lots of children taken from the home kidnappings, and I can't find any that have a bricked door in them. Think about it..... the person came in and went out and baby was gone. I think the back door was opened from the inside. Some one already in the MH opened that door. They had to clear the way for the door to be opened and that meant putting dirty cloths in the washer and dryer. This was a small area, pics up stairs will show you the small space and the bagged laundry tells you how much was there on the floor. Misty wasn't doing laundry. We know that. What we don't know is why did they brick the door. Was it to "prove a kidnapping"? " See the door is open and bricked, someone came in and took Haleigh. " The MH was not a grow house. You need lots of heat and lights and lots of high electric bills and it gives off heat at night and the cops use helicopters to spot it and bust them. there wasn't enough room. IMO I don't think anything was taken out but Haleigh, and it was done before the door was bricked. The question is, how involved was Ron? I am sure Misty was involved, but was Ron? I am sure he is watched as much as Misty. They are not going to let this go.

I thought from the beginning that it would be hard to step over any laundry lying there in that narrow area of the laundry room in order to carry out a sleeping child. The dryer was right beside the back door. Some of the clothes should have been trailed almost out that door, and nothing should have been lying in the vicinity of the door where it would open. Didn't they or TN say at the beginning that laundry was lying on the floor and that's where Haleigh's shirt was picked up by LE and shown to Misty?

 

[Whisperer]

LE has never said where the pink shirt was found. Misty claimed she found it in the laundry the following week when they let her into the MH.

That has to be really bad police work for them to not have located the shirt themselves, since they were camped inside the crime scene close to eight days. My gut tells me they did locate the shirt but have never said where they found it....I don't think it was sitting in the laundry pile either...JMO.

Whose fingerprints were on it? That may solve some problems.

 

[Whisperer]

Has anyone proved that the tan shorts Haleigh wore that day were found?