MN - Alex Pretti dead after Minneapolis shooting involving immigration agents, US media report, January 24, 2026

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IMO This is not live action role playing. Calling your self a legal observer does not cloak you from the law. A legal observer is not a protected status. Again, dangerous obstruction of a legal, federal operation. Unlawful assembly. These are not the Robin Hood’s of our society. Yet, this behavior will continue to be encouraged by some officials, giving the dangerous and false impression that you will successfully stop federal operations. IMO
I’m sorry, what?
 
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I see no clear evidence of what went down in the tussell. There is no charge of murder so that terminology in my opinion is inappropriate.

It's my opinion powerful emotion drives perception in these matters and that is simply not helpful to determining truth.
I think you mean tussle?

I think the truth is self evident. moo
 
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John Mitnick, who was general counsel for Department of Homeland Security during the first Trump White House, slammed the agency and his ex-boss following federal agents’ killing of Alex Pretti on Saturday.

“I am enraged and embarrassed by DHS’s lawlessness, fascism, and cruelty,” Mitnick said on X. “Impeach and remove Trump—now.”


 
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IMO This is not live action role playing. Calling your self a legal observer does not cloak you from the law. A legal observer is not a protected status. Again, dangerous obstruction of a legal, federal operation. Unlawful assembly. These are not the Robin Hood’s of our society. Yet, this behavior will continue to be encouraged by some officials, giving the dangerous and false impression that you will successfully stop federal operations. IMO
Walking in public using a phone or camera to record is not unlawful assembly. Yelling is not unlawful either, nor is blowing a whistle or using bad words.

The Civil Rights movement comes to mind right now. Successful assembly of people demanding change, to stop what was wrong. Of course, there were plenty of people who didn't support the protesters, to put it mildly.

Women once marched to get the vote. They were mocked, abused, jailed in the process - probably told they brought danger on to themselves by critics - but they did it. (Thanks, ladies.)

I'd mention the American Revolution, but someone will think that's too far off-topic, I suppose. And, those Patriot protests were not peaceful like the those we see in Minneapolis. One of the big grievances of the Revolution was search and seizure without warrant, and that lead to our 4th amendment. There was no warrant today and the donut shop refused to admit the agents. The local authorities got a warrant to access the crime scene, and the Feds didn't honor it.

It's legal to be in public.

jmo
 
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IMO This is not live action role playing. Calling your self a legal observer does not cloak you from the law. A legal observer is not a protected status. Again, dangerous obstruction of a legal, federal operation. Unlawful assembly. These are not the Robin Hood’s of our society. Yet, this behavior will continue to be encouraged by some officials, giving the dangerous and false impression that you will successfully stop federal operations. IMO
I'm confused by your comment. I'm not sure who is 'cloaking themselves from the law'. Could you clarify?

Do you believe that it was appropriate for federal authorities to shoot a man while he was contained? Do you disagree that people are allowed to peacefully protest?
 
  • #286
I’m not talking about the protesters that ARE there, I’m talking about the ones that continue to back the ICE behaviour. Until they turn on the person in power at the top, nothing will change.
I hear ya. I'm sensitive to comments putting down people in USA who "aren't doing anything" when plenty of Americans are very active.

But, I hear ya. I get it.

☮️
 
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Here’s the letter that Pam Bondi sent to Tim Walz today with a list of demands that they want from the state of Minnesota in order for the ICE deployment to end in the state. IMO, based on these demands (which include access to voter registration rolls and the states SNAP benefit info), it doesn’t seem like this ICE deployment to Minnesota was ever about illegal immigration. The letter reads like pure extortion to me (again MOO)

 
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Walking in public using a phone or camera to record is not unlawful assembly. Yelling is not unlawful either, nor is blowing a whistle or using bad words.

The Civil Rights movement comes to mind right now. Successful assembly of people demanding change, to stop what was wrong. Of course, there were plenty of people who didn't support the protesters, to put it mildly.

Women once marched to get the vote. They were mocked, abused, jailed in the proces - probably told they brought danger on to themselves by critics - but they did it. (Thanks, ladies.)

I'd mention the American Revolution, but someone will think that's too far off-topic, I suppose. And, those Patriot protests were not peaceful like the those we see in Minneapolis. One of the big grievances of the Revolution was search and seizure without warrant, and that lead to our 4th amendment. There was no warrant today and the donut shop refused to admit the agents. The local authorities got a warrant to access the crime scene, and the Feds didn't honor it.

It's legal to be in public.

jmo
Thank you CIVIL RIGHTS marchers,, hoses and dogs and violence put upon the people. Murdered as well. Just one protest that changed the course of lives and the country. Good human beings. IMO
 
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Minnesota prosecutors sued the Department of Homeland Security and other federal agencies on Saturday, to protect local law enforcement access to evidence in the death of Alex Pretti. Their Minnesota federal court lawsuit alleges that federal agents blocked local law enforcement’s early investigative efforts.

The Minnesota Bureau of Criminal Apprehension and Hennepin County Attorney’s Office alleged in their lawsuit that federal officials’ “apparent determination to deny State and local law enforcement access to relevant evidence is contrary to core principles of federalism” in the Constitution. (Federalism “refers “the division and sharing of power between the national and state governments.”

“As is typical of an officer-involved shooting involving a federal officer, BCA personnel headed to the scene to investigate the incident,” the suit said. “But federal personnel purported to order Minnesota law enforcement to leave, denying them immediate access to critical evidence necessary to investigate crimes under state law.”

“According to reports, federal personnel apparently seized cell phones and detained witnesses. It is unclear whether federal personnel otherwise processed the scene—let alone how carefully,” the suit further alleges. “Then just a few hours after the shooting, federal personnel left, allowing the perimeter to collapse and potentially spoiling evidence.”

 
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The International Association of Chiefs of Police — the largest association of police executives — has issued a statement urging the White House to intervene and de-escalate tensions between federal and local law enforcement.

 
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Thank you CIVIL RIGHTS marchers,, hoses and dogs and violence put upon the people. Murdered as well. Just one protest that changed the course of lives and the country. Good human beings. IMO
We all need to remember what John Lewis had to say about getting into 'good trouble'.

Staying silent and submissive changes nothing. Standing firm is important. Calling out injustice is important. And documenting violence is so important when the government spin is so obviously lies when compared to the evidence.

MOO
 
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We all need to remember what John Lewis had to say about getting into 'good trouble'.

Staying silent and submissive changes nothing. Standing firm is important. Calling out injustice is important. And documenting violence is so important when the government spin is so obviously lies when compared to the evidence.

MOO
John Lewis' words were what I thought of when I read keek's comment. Make good trouble.

There will always be people tsk-tsk'ing protesters. Big woop.

jmo
 
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4m ago
Minnesota law enforcement agencies warned in court papers that “there is every reason to believe” the Department of Homeland Security will “continue to deny” access to evidence in Alex Pretti’s death--unless a court intervenes.

The Minnesota Bureau of Criminal Apprehension(BCA) and Hennepin County Attorney’s Office made this claim in a lawsuit filed in the wake of Pretti’s death at the hands of federal agents on Saturday.

In arguing that DHS will thwart their access to evidence, The Minnesota Bureau of Criminal Apprehension and Hennepin County Attorney’s Office said the feds had blocked their efforts investigating Renee Good’s death. Good was fatally shot by a federal agent on 7 January.

Federal authorities “revoked” BCA’s access to evidence in Good’s death on 8 January “reversing an earlier agreement that a joint investigation would be undertaken and that the two sovereigns would share information,” the suit states.

The lawsuit is asking a judge to decide that federal authorities’ alleged “ongoing denial” of access to evidence “is unconstitutional and unlawful.”

They are also asking a judge to “preliminarily and permanently” prohibit the feds from destroying, altering, or concealing any such evidence.”

The DHS did not immediately respond to a request for comment.

 
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Protesters file emergency request to reverse appeals court ruling


Attorneys for several Minnesotans who filed a lawsuit against the Trump administration this month over the treatment of peaceful Minneapolis protesters by federal agents are tonight asking the 8th Circuit Court of Appeals to reverse an administrative stay it issued earlier this week.

The administrative stay reversed a lower court's ruling, which blocked federal law enforcement from retaliating against people engaged in peaceful and unobstructive protest activity, using pepper-spray or similar nonlethal munitions and crowd dispersal tools.


 
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Thank you everyone for posting statements various individuals and organizations have released about this murder. You KNOW the ICE Agents are egregiously out of line when even the creator of DHS, the NRA, and various police associations are condemning this shooting.

No one can present any reasonable justification for this shooting, apart from a select few governmental officials making one up. There was NO justification for shooting Alex, and hearing the lies those officials are spreading about it (when videos of the incident directly contradict them!) is sickening and sad.
 
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8m ago
The Minnesota Star Tribune reports that the type of gun the Department of Homeland Security claims Alex Pretti was carrying when he fatally shot by border patrol officers on Saturday is a Sig Sauer P320 9mm pistol, which is both popular and frequently carried by US military and law enforcement officers.

While Pretti was licensed to carry a gun, it has not yet been proven that the gun shown in a social media image posted online by DHS was, in fact, his.

The department’s credibility is suspect, given that senior federal officials, including the president, falsely claimed after Pretti was killed that he had approached the federal officers brandishing a gun, when video evidence shows that is not true.

The Minneapolis newspaper also notes: “Federal agents, including Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE), also carry P320s, as do many state and local law enforcement officers.”

 

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