MN - Alex Pretti dead after Minneapolis shooting involving immigration agents, US media report, January 24, 2026

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Moo..are there other countries that deal with their people this way? The things I did not understand was why person was pushed, and then then the spray. Worst thing for me to watch was the guy just bashing him...I don't think that's legal. Hate to see how they treat those they do arrest 😞
 
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Moo..are there other countries that deal with their people this way? The things I did not understand was why person was pushed, and then then the spray. Worst thing for me to watch was the guy just bashing him...I don't think that's legal. Hate to see how they treat those they do arrest 😞
There are, but they often don't even pretend to be democratic.

MOO
 
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Protecting neighbors, friends, families & employees

Workers at their neighborhood businesses they frequent

I have interaction with humans at my favorite restaurants, stores or service employees needed in my home

I don’t ask anyone if one is this county legally or not, or assume because of skin color or accent they aren’t citizens but I’d sure help protect them from abuse and tearing from family and community

We live in a multicultural melting pot on this planet and are ALL human beings
This story crossed my radar today. An Eritrean refugee, in the USA entirely legally, is detained at her apartment by ICE in front of her teenage children. Even though one of those children show the ICE agents documents proving that their mother is there legally, they drag her away, shackle her, fly her to Texas, and only then bother to check and realise that she is indeed in America legally. They then chuck her out onto the street and expect her to find her own way back to Minnesota.

And then people wonder why ordinary Minnesotans, including Renee Good and Alex Pretti, organise themselves to try and protect their friends, neighbours and colleagues.

 
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Moo..are there other countries that deal with their people this way? The things I did not understand was why person was pushed, and then then the spray. Worst thing for me to watch was the guy just bashing him...I don't think that's legal. Hate to see how they treat those they do arrest 😞
Sure there are - Russia, Iran, North-Korea, et al.
 
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Moo... if this major push of ice was in all major cities it would not look so intense. But me ( cannot speak for other people)out side of USA, seems kinda politically personal
 
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But do they all have warrants signed by a judge? That's a question I'd like a definitive answer to...it's important, according to The Constitution.

And having to carry your birth certificate and/or passport for ID. A regular driver's license just not good enough, not even a Real ID which can get you on a plane and even inside a nuclear facility.

If you don't have ID they're happy with, you get carted away to mostly out of state places for who knows how long. And this is happening to citizens. Wouldn't anybody resist and speak up for themselves or others, especially if they started roughing you or some other unfortunate person up? I certainly would.

I'd say, IMO, until well trained real LE who know that people have rights and respect that show up, it is a humanitarian issue to being very concerned about...as an American. AJMO

On a FB of my friend, a group of US-born FB users was discussing what documents should they get/have. (Not everyone in the country has a passport. People were scared.) In my state, there is an enhanced driver’s license that we got to drive to Canada. It is a valid proof of citizenship which is currently available in five states: MN, MI, WA, NY and VT. Ohio is going to introduce it, too. MOO, the whole country should probably use them.

But tbh, I would be concerned about the need to take passport everywhere. Passports may get lost or stolen.

Profiling is a true problem. How is ICE in Minnesota going to explain this?


Three of the four natives arrested by ICE in Minnesota have not been yet accounted for.

They are Natives. They can’t be deported. And they are unhoused, and might be sick. Where are they?

With the Natives, we have one more obvious problem. They have dual citizenship: tribal and the US one. Tribal cards I have seen, they are small. Would that be enough, or do Natives have to get passports now?
 
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Moo..are there other countries that deal with their people this way? The things I did not understand was why person was pushed, and then then the spray. Worst thing for me to watch was the guy just bashing him...I don't think that's legal. Hate to see how they treat those they do arrest 😞

There surely are other countries that treat their citizens this way, there are much worse prisons, there are power-hungry cops and angry or corrupt people from internal security organizations. Everywhere. There is lawlessness in the world.

However, the US seemed to be the beacon of liberty, for many people and for many years.
 
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Moo...when they were going thru his pockets they were just stuffing it in their pockets. Did they pocket money, if, etc. seems a wrong way to collect evidence
 
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There surely are other countries that treat their citizens this way, there are much worse prisons, there are power-hungry cops and angry or corrupt people from internal security organizations. Everywhere. There is lawlessness in the world.

However, the US seemed to be the beacon of liberty, for many people and for many years.
What you are describing is usually found in countries with oppressive regimes, not in first world developed countries and certainly not in the USA, the land of democracy.
 
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Moo... if this major push of ice was in all major cities it would not look so intense. But me ( cannot speak for other people)out side of USA, seems kinda politically personal

It is complicated. It can happen in any blue state, but economy factors in.

Here are “top receivers” and “top donors”

My state is among the “top donors” (it is especially obvious when you compare per capita numbers). So while we, for sure, expect “visits” from ICE, all the more so that we are another “sanctuary state”, perhaps financial aspects play a role.

But if you look at Minnesota, this small state is a top per capita federal donor as well.

So the situation is complex: before the election, blue states who have the money to campaign, and support their candidates, may be a concern for the current government. On the other hand, you can’t treat them too rudely. Likewise, California, which is 6th world economy per se, while LA has seen visits from Mr. Bovino with his crew, had to be reckoned with.

This may explain the situation in Minnesota. It is blue and sanctuary, but also, self-sufficient. This is why the mayor of Minneapolis may use harsh language, and this is why, while ICE is horrible for Minnesota, the situation is sort of a stalemate and everyone prefers to negotiate. When the time comes to approve the budget for ICE, Minnesota’s portion will be much higher than that of Alabama.

From this standpoint, who are the “besties”? Texas and Florida, methinks. They toe the party line and contribute to the budget. And Texas has deported more than any other state in the country. But this is why the voice of Senator Ted Cruz, unhappy with NHS now, is heard very well.

JMO, of course.
 
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One of Alex Pretti's final ICU patients says terrorism accusations "broke my heart"​

By Susan-Elizabeth Littlefield

[…]

And as his ICU co-workers grieve, so do his patients, like Marta Crownheart.

"I had a real bad day and he sat in my room for a little over 20 minutes, holding my hand, talking to me, letting me know things were gonna be OK," Crownheart said. "He prayed with me and let me know I was gonna be OK." […] "And when Alex found out I didn't have a stroke, he came right away and let me know that I didn't, and he calmed me and he treated me like I was his only patient," she said. "And I knew I wasn't, and he treated every vet like they were his only patient."

[…]

"I think that hurts worse than anything, calling him a domestic terrorist. I think that hurt worse than anything," she said. "It just broke my heart to see what they did to him, and he did not deserve it."

[…]

 

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