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'If you don't like ICE, take it up with Congress’
Right. That will work. Congress has been so ineffective. Everything is Executive Orders. imo
'If you don't like ICE, take it up with Congress’
Why didn't they arrest him? Protesters have done far less and get brutalized.We cant know what his employers would have thought about that altercation. I would imagine that anyone who knew him would have thought it was a bad idea and he was very lucky he didnt get arrested, that kind of behaviour will never help ones case.
I would like to point out though, that even in this incident, where AP was clearly very upset and agitated, and did behave badly, he still never has a hand on his gun. The agents in this incident were rightfully angry with his behaviour, and did tackle him, and yet he still walked away. He didnt threaten anyone and they didnt shoot him.
In my opinion, the only way this prior incident would have any bearing whatsoever on what happened on Saturday would be if those agents in the prior incident were the same ones who later killed him, in which case I would suggest that it was retaliation that got him killed and not his conduct on the day, which was nothing like it had been in the prior incident.
It doesn't matter how you spin it, they should not have shot him. He wasnt interfering in anything, he was helping a woman up, he wasnt threatening, he never made any moves that even suggested he was reaching for a concealed weapon, he posed no danger to the scrum if agents that piled on him. He was executed in the street. There is no justification for that.
Just another thought, even in a court case the defendants prior criminal history generally may not be used against them to determine guilt.
*NOT suggesting AP was a criminal, example for sake of argument.
Homan: ICE need a holiday, they are human!
President Donald Trump seemed to signal a willingness to ease tensions in Minneapolis after a second deadly shooting by federal immigration agents, but there was little evidence Wednesday of any significant changes following weeks of harsh rhetoric and clashes with protesters.On SM locals are saying nothing has changed since the murders.
It was more like "if we are sending the message that 'unless you committed a serious crime, you are good to go', then we will never get rid of this problem"“Unless you committed a serious crime, you are good to go.”
Hmm, 5-year olds walking to school being arrested and detained. Yep.
What was that phrase the federal agent said after Pretti was killed? Oh yeah, "boo hoo."Homan: ICE need a holiday, they are human!
Homan defends decision to deploy large numbers of ICE agents
We've just had another question from a reporter who asks Homan - how did we get here?
Border Patrol chief Greg Bovino had agents stopping US citizens and asking them for ID, creating fear, the reporter says. It took the death of Alex Pretti for us to get here. How did this happen? Who made the decision for this operation to proceed in this way?
Homan responds, claiming that up to 12,000 people per day were coming across the border under the previous Biden administration.
A massive deployment of ICE agents was needed to deal with this "humanitarian crisis" and secure the border, he says.
We brought extra resources in to provide security, he adds, saying that resources can be drawn down when violence and hateful rhetoric decrease.
52 week holiday maybe, all at the same timeHoman: ICE need a holiday, they are human!
Hint: Minneapolis is not near the Canadian border.Is he suggesting that up to 12,000 people per day were crossing into Minnesota from Canada? And they need all those agents in Minnesota to secure the border.
imo
Many, many people in the US can see it (I’d honestly say a majority do at this point, as Trumps approval rating is the lowest it’s ever been. Last time I checked, it was like 39%. ICEs approval rating is even lower) Unfortunately our congress has basically disappeared, and since the republicans hold the majority in both houses, they ultimately will do whatever Trump tells them, despite what their constituents want. The only real thing we can do is to protest, which is happening every where, every day. But it seems like this administration is set on squashing that as best they can since they are using violence against protesters all the time (again; which is what authoritarian governments do) IMO.No matter how he framed it in his presser, it still came across as gaslighting - its everyone else's fault. No responsibility taken, reinforcing how wonderful ICE are, all will be good as long as you all behave
I don't know how anyone can continue to support this government, it reeks of authoritarianism and keeps getting worse. Surely the majority of US citizens can see this? Can certainly see it plainly from outside the US
Isn't this what the judicial branch is for? They decide who and when people are prosecuted.It was more like "if we are sending the message that 'unless you committed a serious crime, you are good to go', then we will never get rid of this problem"
He is also claiming that being undocumented is a crime, which isn't necessarily true, most of the time, just being undocumented is a civil offense, like getting a speeding ticket.
I agree, this in my opinion is a possibility.I actually think they will be convicted of serious charges, even if only as scapegoats. We have seen how the legal system has been manipulated by Trump and his government, and Trump is very concerned about perceptions right now. He isn't liking what he is seeing in the citizen/voter response. He will do whatever he can to preserve or rebuild his fan base, and he's already upset the NRA. I can see these ICE agents getting the book thrown at them to appease the unrest directed at Trump
Can we set up a 'missing' thread for Congress?(Snipped by me for focus) Unfortunately our congress has basically disappeared
“The hostile rhetoric and dangerous threats must stop,” Homan said. “I said in March that if the rhetoric didn’t stop, there would be bloodshed. I wish I wasn’t right. … “If you want certain laws reformed, take it up with Congress.”1m ago
Shrai Popat
Homan didn’t answer a reporter’s question about the specific number of federal immigration agents that are currently in Minneapolis.
“There’s been some rotations,” he said.
This comes after reports that, after Gregory Bovino left the state, a number of border patrol officers were directed to also leave.
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Trump’s border chief vows ‘improvements’ for ICE operations but doesn’t mention fatal shootings of US citizens – live
Border czar Tom Homan in Minneapolis says ‘no agency is perfect’ and acknowledges improvements that need to be made to federal immigration enforcementwww.theguardian.com