MN MN - Brandon Swanson, 19, Marshall, 14 May 2008

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Does anyone know exactly where they found his car? When I was listening to the thinking sideways podcast they said he took a left onto the lyon county road, there are only 2 places for that to happen until it turns into a different road.
Being that the scent dogs found his scent up to 160th is it possible that he went up to the road and walked back down to follow it from below? He was so close to so many houses that its sad he didn't stop by those.
I am going to attach a map to show you what the land looks like there and where the road was in relation to the road that his car was found on. Porter is off to the left and Taunton was down to the south right a bit. You will have to go the Google Maps Earth view to see what the tree line looked like there as well and to get a better picture of what his path may have looked like.
It would be nice to see a path of where they searched with the dogs to see where he may have gone into the water.
Does anyone know what made them think that going up to Mud Creek might be an option?
Is it possible that when he was talking about the water he mean the body of water east of the lyon county road? 160th goes east from that body of water too?

I posted this earlier, it's the only map I've found showing where his car was found. I haven't found it on Google, it would be nice to be able to zoom in on it.
http://caseravel.com/brandon-swanson-vanished/
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There are a few photos here showing them searching around what appears to be mud creek. Scroll down as they're toward the bottom of the page.

http://thesearchforbrandon.blogspot...0-05:00&max-results=15&start=30&by-date=false
 
Those pics really brought home to me how difficult the terrain is to search. Back then, I believe it would have been very hard to find his body, but now after all this time I think its almost impossible to find any trace.
 
Yes, it would be nice if you could zoom in on that map showing where the car was found. An imperfect alternative: Google "Lyon Lincoln County Rd Tanton MN" and pull up Maps. Zoom in to where the road intersects with 390th St. This is roughly where the pin on that map is. If you switch to satellite view, then you can clearly see the terrain.

What would really help us is to have the information from Brandon's father about the path he took while they were on the phone. Without that, it's pretty much impossible to try and figure out where he ended. The best bits of info we have is near water and fences and could see city lights in the distance. Depending on which direction he started walking and how far he got, given the uniformity of the terrain, that could be any number of those little towns.

He thought he was near Lynd. What made him think this? A particular farm? The route he had been taking? Road signs? Maybe he was near Lynd for all we know!

My feeling is that he would know the general direction he was heading and whether or not he had crossed any paved/major roadswhich have to be crossed in order to reach Lynd. If that's the case, maybe he crossed Route 68 and was southwest of where his car was located, between Routes 68, 75, and 19. Maybe he even crossed Route 19 but was headed west toward Ivanhoe instead of Lynd. Or maybe he got on 390th Street by where his car was abandoned and confused it for 190th Ave which heads south in to Lynd. To get to Lynd from 190th Ave you have to travel east. Maybe this is where he left the road and cut across fields to get to town. But instead he was on 390th Street and cut across to head toward Minneota. Likewise, he could have made it to 150th Ave and thought he was closer to Lynd and cut across before reaching Route 68, again heading toward Minneota.

There are just so many possibilities. Without knowing the detail from that call with his dad, it's impossible to get very far just searching maps.
 
Map of Area

From page 1 of this thread:

"Search teams found Brandon Swanson's car a half mile north of Minnesota Highway 68 on the border between Lincoln county and Lyon county."

"The search on Thursday focused on an area near Taunton and the Lincoln-Lyon County Line road, less than a half-mile north of the intersection with Minnesota Highway 68. The search area included land along the Yellow Medicine River. " -- This is where I placed the marker on the map.

something i read, but currently can't find, said he was driving on a field access road in that area. no idea, but thought the zoomable map might be helpful.
 
YOU GUYS. I just listened to the podcast again,this time more closely, while scouring Google Maps and it got my gears turning.I HAVE SO MUCH TO SHARE. And I have chills.

As I’ve mentioned, I’ve been frustrated notknowing the details of Brandon’s conversation with his father or the pathsalready followed for searches. So what I’m trying to focus on is the route thatBrandon took based on what we do know, and hoping that somehow leads us to answers.

My greatest hope is this leads to a renewedeffort for searchers. It might turn out to be a rehashing of already exhaustedefforts, but I don’t know for sure until I put it out there.


Brandon left Canby at approximately 12:30a.m. We assume he took back roads instead of driving directly to Marshall viaRoute 68 because he had been drinking (not necessarily to the point he couldn’tdrive, but he was underage and didn’t want to be pulled over by police with anyamount of alcohol in his system). After an undetermined amount of time on anunknown route, they say he eventually travelled south, then turned right(west), and then attempted to turn left (south) on to Lyon Lincoln County Roadnear Taunton. He turned too soon and went in the ditch instead. The onlyroad accessing LLCR there is 390th St, and zooming in onsatellite view on the map, it looks like it's a feasible spot for that tohappen. It also correlates to the zoomed out map showing the car’s location.

Brandon called around to friends before callinghis parents at 1:54 a.m. He stayed in his car while his parents left Marshallto find him. Both parties thought he was near Lynd. Why? There is a LLCR near Lynd (by the south branch of Yellow MedicineRiver) as well as near Taunton (by the north branch of Yellow Medicine River).It is possible Brandon told his parents he turned onto LLCR and he or hisparents assumed that he was near Lynd.

We have to remember that the terrain in thisgeneral area was extremely uniform. We don’t know how familiar Brandon was withall the little back roads, but we do know that things looked similar enough indaytime that they would be even less distinguishable at night. There were roadsigns, but not in abundance. Most of the roads were dirt/gravel. The land wasprimarily flat fields with numerous water features bordered by clumps of treesand brush.

Brandon had been drinking underage, crashedhis car, and had to call his parents in the wee hours of the morning. Takingall of that in to consideration, we can assume his parents were worried butalso not pleased. Everyone was agitated for their own reasons. Now we have bothparties on LLCR flashing their headlights, but they can’t see each otherbecause they don’t realize how far apart they actually are. Tensions continueto mount, and Brandon’s father drops his mother off at home because of thebickering.

At 2:23 a.m. Brandon’s father goes back outto search. He and Brandon are on the phone for 47 minutes (tensions likelystill mounting). Since travelling on LLCR isn’t working, one or both decidesBrandon should try walking to find his bearings while they are on the phonetogether.

We know Brandon had seen city lights fromwhere his car was stuck. Taunton is the closest town to where he was stuck, soit would make sense for him to walk in that direction. He may have alsoreasoned that since he had turned off a paved road, the best thing would be towalk back the way he came, which, incidentally, is east and toward the lightsof town (Taunton).

We don’t know the path that Brandon took andhow he and his father communicated. But it is possible that as Brandon cameacross road signs, his father thought he was still in the area of LLCR nearLynd because of how similar the road names are. I’ve attached maps with thecorresponding roads highlighted so you can see this for yourself. If Brandon’sfather is providing him with directions based on the Lynd area, then Brandonmost likely was moving toward Porter. (I don’t think this is the case.)

I figure that in 47 minutes Brandon couldhave maybe walked one or two miles at the most. I feel that he couldn’t havecrossed Route 68 at any point because he would have known and reported as much(since it was a paved road with signage). We know that he was walking roughlyparallel to a waterway. We know that at some point he felt like the road wasleading him further away from the town, and so he cut through a field headingdirectly for the city lights. We know that this shortcut was through anabandoned farm and there was a fence.

None of this tells us with any certaintywhether he was headed for Taunton or Porter. But there are only so many pathsthat fit with what we do know at this time. I’ve also attached another map ofthe area showing some possible routes that Brandon could have taken that fitthe knowns listed above.

Still,my gut tells me that Brandon headed toward Taunton. Here is my theory of how hetravelled based on everything I considered above (all JMO, and I stronglyencourage you to look at my or Google maps to follow along):
(1) Brandon saw the lights of Taunton fromthe ditch where his car was stuck. There is no sense in walking away from thoselights and more than twice the distance into the darkness toward Porter.
(2)Brandonand his parents thought he was on LLCR near Lynd. Brandon and his father decidehe should travel east, back the way he came – he heads toward Taunton, but boththink he is heading toward Lynd. So, Brandontravels east on 390[SUP]th[/SUP] St, back the way he drove in, two miles to 120[SUP]th[/SUP]Ave.
(3A) I’m not sure if there was signage or if Brandon knewhe was on 390[SUP]th[/SUP] St. If he did and told his father this, then maybehis father thought he meant 190[SUP]th[/SUP] St, which connects LLCR and 120[SUP]th[/SUP]Ave southwest of Lynd. If he didn’t, perhaps his father still thought hereached 120[SUP]th[/SUP] Ave west of Lynd. 390[SUP]th[/SUP] St is a dirt road,and so is 110[SUP]th[/SUP] Ave, whereas 120[SUP]th[/SUP] Ave is paved, and youcan get a street view on Google maps and see the street sign at theintersection of 390[SUP]th[/SUP] St and 120[SUP]th[/SUP] Ave in Taunton. So it’spossible Brandon didn’t have his bearings until he reached this intersection. Brandon’sfather tells him to cross 120[SUP]th[/SUP] Ave, thinking he is heading towardLynd.
(3B) I find it hard to believe Brandon’s father wouldagree on a rendezvous point in Lynd if he thought Brandon was that far away andknew his location. Plus, 120[SUP]th[/SUP] Ave near Lynd is a dirt road, notpaved like Taunton’s 120[SUP]th[/SUP] Ave, and it doesn’t intersect withanother 390[SUP]th[/SUP] St. It’s possible that Brandon reported being on 390[SUP]th[/SUP]St but wasn’t 100% certain and, judging by how close he was to Taunton, Brandon’sfather thought he was on 190[SUP]th[/SUP] Ave heading right in to Lynd. Both were frustrated with trying to locateeach other on the road and, thinking they were both close to and headed towardLynd, decided the tavern in Lynd would be a more reliable meeting point thancontinuing to talk road numbers.
(5) Brandon now has renewed confidence because he found apaved road with a street sign. He spent 47 minutes walking two miles on a dirtroad parallel to the river in the cold in the dead of night with the lights ofTaunton to this right. He was getting closer to those lights, but now he is somewhatpast them. He makes a right on to 120[SUP]th[/SUP]Ave and walks down it for a time, crossing the bridge over Yellow MedicineRiver. Sense tells him to stay on the paved road that’s headed towardTaunton, but he’s exhausted, frustrated, and desperate. After that bridge hecrosses, there is what appears to be a rundown barn to his right (you can seethis on Google maps street view). Except for a clump of trees south of thatbarn, it’s just about a mile of open fieldsbetween Brandon and Taunton. So Brandon decides to cut across those fields.

This theory is plausible, but not perfect. There are somany directions he could have gone – I chose this one because it led to theclosest town and fit the criteria of known facts. It’s also possible thatBrandon didn’t know what road he was on at all, and my connection between thetwo LLCRs is misguided. Without knowing what geographical information Brandonwas giving to his father, it’s impossible to say with certainty.

Even so, while I don’t know the area personally, it seemsmore likely that Brandon was seeing the lights of Taunton and headed thatdirection. I know that some of the search dogs headed to 160[SUP]th[/SUP] Aveand toward Porter, but that is not conclusive evidence of Brandon’s path thatnight. If it hasn’t already been done, Iwould focus a search in the area north and northeast of Taunton.

None of this indicates what happened to Brandon after hiscall was cut off. IMO, there’s not enough evidence to even begin speculating.We have no idea what he encountered or how much further he got in his travels.I’m no expert in LE, missing persons, or search parties, but this is where myresearch has led me. Hopefully it can prove useful to someone who can actuallydo something with the information!
 

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One last thought. For those who think Brandon met foul play, what about Israel Keyes?
 
Is Jeff Hasse, Search Manager from MTRTA still here? He worked so diligently and gave so much try to find Brandon. I just read this in the last couple of days and need to study up. Great post Reintarnation! Lots to learn for me.
 
Is Jeff Hasse, Search Manager from MTRTA still here? He worked so diligently and gave so much try to find Brandon. I just read this in the last couple of days and need to study up. Great post Reintarnation! Lots to learn for me.

Great to see you here, Onebest! Jeff Hasse hasn't posted here in several years. And his blog hasn't shown any activity in that long either. I've been wondering about him as well.
At least I think this is Jeff's blog, or perhaps with associated others: http://thesearchforbrandon.blogspot.com/

As I posted back a few, another search team had taken over. I don't have time to go back, but the last search was in 2015.
 
Yes, it would be nice if you could zoom in on that map showing where the car was found. An imperfect alternative: Google "Lyon Lincoln County Rd Tanton MN" and pull up Maps. Zoom in to where the road intersects with 390th St. This is roughly where the pin on that map is. If you switch to satellite view, then you can clearly see the terrain.

What would really help us is to have the information from Brandon's father about the path he took while they were on the phone. Without that, it's pretty much impossible to try and figure out where he ended. The best bits of info we have is near water and fences and could see city lights in the distance. Depending on which direction he started walking and how far he got, given the uniformity of the terrain, that could be any number of those little towns.

He thought he was near Lynd. What made him think this? A particular farm? The route he had been taking? Road signs? Maybe he was near Lynd for all we know!

My feeling is that he would know the general direction he was heading and whether or not he had crossed any paved/major roadswhich have to be crossed in order to reach Lynd. If that's the case, maybe he crossed Route 68 and was southwest of where his car was located, between Routes 68, 75, and 19. Maybe he even crossed Route 19 but was headed west toward Ivanhoe instead of Lynd. Or maybe he got on 390th Street by where his car was abandoned and confused it for 190th Ave which heads south in to Lynd. To get to Lynd from 190th Ave you have to travel east. Maybe this is where he left the road and cut across fields to get to town. But instead he was on 390th Street and cut across to head toward Minneota. Likewise, he could have made it to 150th Ave and thought he was closer to Lynd and cut across before reaching Route 68, again heading toward Minneota.

There are just so many possibilities. Without knowing the detail from that call with his dad, it's impossible to get very far just searching maps.

Thanks so much. So here's a link, one can zoom in and out, at least to a degree, though it's limited. As you say, we could sure more details.

https://www.google.com/maps/place/L...3f890b6cbf1bd3a!8m2!3d44.6159072!4d-96.093013
 
Does anyone else here think Brandon could have been a victim of Daniel Heinrich?
 
Does anyone else here think Brandon could have been a victim of Daniel Heinrich?

Interesting... That 🤬🤬🤬 was active on dirt roads etc. So its not out of the question. Brandon wasn't a child at the time though...


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Interesting... That 🤬🤬🤬 was active on dirt roads etc. So its not out of the question. Brandon wasn't a child at the time though...


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True, but he does have a very cute, boyish type face, and is small for his age. It's just something that's weighing on my mind.
 
Does anyone else here think Brandon could have been a victim of Daniel Heinrich?

Hey, guys! New here!

A part of me is thinking there might be some form of foal play. The whole ViCAP thing and issue with his car and the doors being open. Very suspicious!

The other part of me...the logical/Occam's razor side...Brandon was under some kind of influence from alcohol, it was dark, being upset with mom/dad over location, he was partially blind in his left eye. Let's not rule out mother nature and his environment. Given these factors plus others, I'm honestly thinking he may have fallen into some kind hole and or another other area given that he was near farming areas/water source.

Just my two cents.

-Bartowski
 
Hey, guys! New here!

A part of me is thinking there might be some form of foal play. The whole ViCAP thing and issue with his car and the doors being open. Very suspicious!

The other part of me...the logical/Occam's razor side...Brandon was under some kind of influence from alcohol, it was dark, being upset with mom/dad over location, he was partially blind in his left eye. Let's not rule out mother nature and his environment. Given these factors plus others, I'm honestly thinking he may have fallen into some kind hole and or another other area given that he was near farming areas/water source.

Just my two cents.

-Bartowski

Welcome Bartowski! :welcome: And thanks very much for your input. Yes, all of these scenarios have been hashed out here, not one, not two, but very probably several times. Including the possibility that Brandon fell into some kind of well, etc. So, may I ask what brought you to Brandon's case? We would love to hear all you have to share, as we are all very invested in finding Brandon and what happened to him. Thanks so much for joining us here.

So regarding your theory, all I can offer is this from a professional MTRTA Search Manager, Jeff Hasse. He doesn't seem to lend much credence to Brandon falling into a hole or well, though nothing is impossible.
Post #122 by MTRTA Search Manager:

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?64913-MN-Brandon-Swanson-19-Marshall-14-May-2008&p=4677559#post4677559


After reading through some of the comments on the list, I thought I'd post a few quick clarifications:

  • The search teams have indeed considered that Brandon may have fallen into an area where he cannot be readily seen. However, the area does not have any true sinkholes. Sinkholes are a part of karst (cave) geology. The only area of the state with karst geology is southeastern MN.

  • Most wells in the area are small diameter (i.e., under 6") and would not be a danger to an adult. That being said, it is possible that there are old cisterns in the area. Farmstead windmills used to pump water into a cistern for storage. (My grandparent's farm used to have a big one with rotten boards over the top.) However, this area is high-quality farmland and very little of it goes to waste. Many of the old farmsites still on the maps have been completely reclaimed for farm fields (including concrete foundations and cisterns). The teams still are on the lookout for cisterns, just in case.

  • The most likely location for Brandon to have ended up where he could not be readily seen is in one of the many small creeks, drainages ditches, or areas of tall grass (CRP land). We are systematically searching each of these within the overall search area.
 
Welcome Bartowski! :welcome: And thanks very much for your input. Yes, all of these scenarios have been hashed out here, not one, not two, but very probably several times. Including the possibility that Brandon fell into some kind of well, etc. So, may I ask what brought you to Brandon's case? We would love to hear all you have to share, as we are all very invested in finding Brandon and what happened to him. Thanks so much for joining us here.

So regarding your theory, all I can offer is this from a professional MTRTA Search Manager, Jeff Hasse. He doesn't seem to lend much credence to Brandon falling into a hole or well, though nothing is impossible.
Post #122 by MTRTA Search Manager:

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?64913-MN-Brandon-Swanson-19-Marshall-14-May-2008&p=4677559#post4677559

Thanks for sharing this, Neesaki! I'm here by way of the Thinking Sideways podcast.

Also, thanks for sharing that other bit of info! I've been going back and fourth with this thread, Reddit, and various other news articles/YouTube videos. There is just something about this case...can't explain it...that keeps me up and wanting to find more. This case and the Maura Murray have me baffled.

Random questions:

Are there any copies of phone records? It would be interesting to see a call log...who he called first? If so, perhaps he may have left a voicemail?

Has there been any potential interest in his friends and or people living in that area?

I'm new to cases like these, and pardon me if any of this has already been brought up...but usually in MP cases isn't it usually a person (friend/family/lover) connected to these people who end up being the reason they go missing? Just curious if there have been any reports of this and anything with a list of people of interest.

Sorry for rehashing anything that has already been brought up. Just a lot of info to go through. Thanks again for sharing that!
 
Thanks for sharing this, Neesaki! I'm here by way of the Thinking Sideways podcast.

Also, thanks for sharing that other bit of info! I've been going back and fourth with this thread, Reddit, and various other news articles/YouTube videos. There is just something about this case...can't explain it...that keeps me up and wanting to find more. This case and the Maura Murray have me baffled.

Random questions:

Are there any copies of phone records? It would be interesting to see a call log...who he called first? If so, perhaps he may have left a voicemail?

Has there been any potential interest in his friends and or people living in that area?

I'm new to cases like these, and pardon me if any of this has already been brought up...but usually in MP cases isn't it usually a person (friend/family/lover) connected to these people who end up being the reason they go missing? Just curious if there have been any reports of this and anything with a list of people of interest.

Sorry for rehashing anything that has already been brought up. Just a lot of info to go through. Thanks again for sharing that!

Don't be sorry, believe me, we love rehashing here ! :) I've never heard that there are any persons of interest. If there are, they haven't been released. Since the FBI has Brandon in VICAP rather than just Kidnappings and Missing Persons, I have to assume they did so because they believe there was possibly foul play. Idk, maybe I'm reading more into it than there is. jmo
The Violent Criminal Apprehension Program (ViCAP) maintains the largest investigative repository of major violent crime cases in the U.S. It is designed to collect and analyze information about homicides, sexual assaults, missing persons, and other violent crimes involving unidentified human remains.
https://www.fbi.gov/wanted/vicap/missing-persons
 
Don't be sorry, believe me, we love rehashing here ! :) I've never heard that there are any persons of interest. If there are, they haven't been released. Since the FBI has Brandon in VICAP rather than just Kidnappings and Missing Persons, I have to assume they did so because they believe there was possibly foul play. Idk, maybe I'm reading more into it than there is. jmo

https://www.fbi.gov/wanted/vicap/missing-persons

The fact that Brandon's car doors were left open is interesting.

It sounds as if he wasn't in a panicked state on the call to his father, so it's unlikely he fled the vehicle.

Brandon's father comes across as a rational and reasonable man, but I wonder if Brandon told him something that he's not been allowed to repeat publicly?

The open doors and vicap listing suggest foul play of some sort. I feel as if there's a lot of info being withheld.


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The fact that Brandon's car doors were left open is interesting.

It sounds as if he wasn't in a panicked state on the call to his father, so it's unlikely he fled the vehicle.

Brandon's father comes across as a rational and reasonable man, but I wonder if Brandon told him something that he's not been allowed to repeat publicly?

The open doors and vicap listing suggest foul play of some sort. I feel as if there's a lot of info being withheld.


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I agree. Just doing a quick survey of the VICAPs listed missing persons of which there are 52 in number, and what I'm seeing is a pattern of suspected foul play, for instance just a sampling:

Matthew Pendergrast - suspected carjacking
Adam Hermman - he disappeared and adoptive parents didn't report him missing
Jennifer Kesse - person of interest seen on video
Brian Shaffer - last seen at a bar at 1:55 am
Tara Grinstead - suspected foul play

https://www.fbi.gov/wanted/vicap/missing-persons
 

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