MN MN - Bryce Borca, 23, college student, seen at 2AM, search focused near Minnesota River, Eagan, 30 Oct 2022

[Trino]

Agreed.

I'm new to this case but again the river nearby sounds bad.
How many young men have been found in rivers ?
I hope that's not the case here.
It's been nearly three years now, though.
Omo.

The river is nearly a mile away. To get there one would need to cross swamps, probable old stone mining area, RR tracks, trail. Minneosota River has been searched. There was a flood too after he disappeared. The river is not deep in that area - take it from me who dumped a canoe there years ago. It is not being considered. This forum should be renamed.

 

[Trino]

@momsof3 - fair enough. For me, it’s nothing do with how or why he went missing, it just bothers me so much that someone’s remains are out in the (real/metaphorical) woods alone and forlorn, and want them to find their way home. But it’s a good reminder that he is not ‘mine’, he is his parents’, if anyone’s, and they are doing what they think is most respectful and honorable for him.

Agreed.

I'm new to this case but again the river nearby sounds bad.
How many young men have been found in rivers ?
I hope that's not the case here.
It's been nearly three years now, though.
Omo.

Search is not focused on the river. A few posts ago I posted maps, which might provide more understanding. Focus and searches were on the ponds near Essendant (business) where search dog(s) traced him.

 

[Chimera]

Search is not focused on the river. A few posts ago I posted maps, which might provide more understanding. Focus and searches were on the ponds near Essendant (business) where search dog(s) traced him.

Ok, I'll take a look at the maps.
Thanks for clarifying !

 

[annpats]

What does everyone think are the main reasons for Bryce's body not being found?

Caught up on a something underwater, not enabling the body to surface?

Searches have not been in the right place?

He got lost in the woods and searches didn't find him?

The last phone ping wasn't 100% accurate?

Or something else?

 

[Trino]

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The parents set up a foundation to honor their son. They have continued to search year after year. Yes, they have not made a push for media coverage nor started go-fun-mes. But their actions seem completely appropriate and respectful to me - they certainly haven't forgotten about their son. My sister died of an accident when we were both teens and my parents too started a scholarship. My parents did not blame the driver, it truly was an accident, they chose to pray for him instead. Everyone grieves differently.

Apparently there is a miscommunication. The family was NEVER a consideration for me. Setting up charities is fine. No LE info about searches is a consideration. The friends are. The media is. A search around the extended area near Gun Club Lake is a consideration for me.

 

[Trino]

What does everyone think are the main reasons for Bryce's body not being found?

Caught up on a something underwater, not enabling the body to surface?

Searches have not been in the right place?

He got lost in the woods and searches didn't find him?

The last phone ping wasn't 100% accurate?

Or something else?

Doubtful a body is caught underwater unless in a pond. There is a possibility of a previous small stone quarry in the area because there are some known at Gun Club Lake. The fort was build around 1820-1825. Who knows where someone got rocks 200 years ago, and the area where he disappeared is between the fort and Gun Club Lake.
I like your idea that searches have not been in the right place, but who knows where the right place might be?
Doubt lost in the woods. Trees, yes, mostly high weeds, swamps. More than 1000 acres have been examined. He could have been swallowed by a swamp - maybe.
No idea about the phone. Other than he attempted to call his friends, nothing much has been said about accuracy.
Finally, if he's there... Once an investigation was launched, the Lyft driver claimed that Bryce had been extremely intoxicated that night. The driver even alleged that Bryce had attempted to exit the vehicle while it was moving. This is publicized information with local media - Source Kare11, Nov 3, 2022. It was cold. I think if offered a ride on Highway 13, he would have taken it. No evidence.
Did he make it back to Yankee Doodle Rd, attempt to continue to his apartment and was picked up? No evidence.
Weird that no evidence other than a tie has been reported found, and that was found close to Highway 13. Was it his tie?
Lots of possibilities...

 

[Trino]

Another month. Winter here. No searches, of course. No information.

 

[Otterly]

Bryce was added to The Charley Project today. It's the first time I've heard of his case. The fact we have a 'Find your friends' ping and yet nothing of Bryce's has been found (remains, clothes, phone, wallet, keys, etc.) is very interesting. Locals feel free to correct me if this incorrect, but I can't imagine the Minnesota River is so strong in that area nothing of Bryce's would be found if he did end up drowning in the river somehow. This isn't like the Golden Gate Bridge where the currents are so strong many people who jump off the bridge are swept out to sea and nothing is ever seen of them again.

 

[Marzipan]

Thanks for the new info! I need to look into the Charley Project and what that means for his case. Yes, that could happen. But first he would have had to make it to the river and I lean toward that being unlikely. I don’t mean out of the realm of possibility at all. I just don’t believe he did. I think he’s either there in the mucky swampy area or something else happened.

 

[lassy]

I looked Bryce up on the Charley Project site. Why do they have him classified as 'Endangered Missing'? He doesn't seem to fit that classification if he just wandered back into the area by the MN river and got lost or fell into water or a swamp. And LE has always said no foul play suspected. Or was it because he was drinking? Anyone know how they classify?

 

[cenazoic]

Here’s a couple;

A Glossary of Missing Persons' Terms

Minnesota: Endangered Missing Person Alerts | Minnesota Department of Public Safety

 

[Trino]

Here’s a couple;

A Glossary of Missing Persons' Terms

Minnesota: Endangered Missing Person Alerts | Minnesota Department of Public Safety

Here's another glossary of terms:

Missing: Used usually in cases where adults have vanished and there is no evidence of foul play.

Endangered Missing: This is used when a person disappears under suspicious circumstances, or has a condition which may endanger their welfare, or when someone is believed to be in danger.

So, why is BB termed endangered missing? Does LE have suspicions?

 

[lassy]

Here's another glossary of terms:

Missing: Used usually in cases where adults have vanished and there is no evidence of foul play.

Endangered Missing: This is used when a person disappears under suspicious circumstances, or has a condition which may endanger their welfare, or when someone is believed to be in danger.

So, why is BB termed endangered missing? Does LE have suspicions?

That's what I was wondering. LE has always said no foul play, so why endangered missing and not just missing?

 

[Trino]

That's what I was wondering. LE has always said no foul play, so why endangered missing and not just missing?

IMO LE has legit suspicions. I still haven't understood why the parents previously offered a $30,000 reward if LE thoughts at the time were he was in water at Ft Snelling. Also noted is the idea the public is possibly not privy to everything surrounding the disappearance. And his friends still won't talk.

 

[Trino]

Agreed.

I'm new to this case but again the river nearby sounds bad.
How many young men have been found in rivers ?
I hope that's not the case here.
It's been nearly three years now, though.
Omo.

The river is a mile away. Forum should be renamed. Not a consideration. Swamps and ponds between disappearance site and river.

 

[Trino]

Thinking ahead. Tell me this won't become a Halloween story. October 30. Man disappears at Ft Snelling. Body thought to still be there.

 

[cenazoic]

i guess it could also depend on what they mean by ‘condition’ here:

…or has a condition which may endanger their welfare..

In other words, is intoxication a ‘condition’?

 

[Trino]

Minnesota, Section 576.14 of the Minnesota Statutes makes clear that a person missing for a continuous period of four years shall be presumed to have died four years after the date the unexplained absence began. Minnesota law states that for this presumption to exist there must have been a continuous period of absence and a diligent search on the part of others.

 

[Trino]

Comments on an old idea...
Referemce the 4 US soldiers lost in a tank in Lithuania. US Army found it own 16 ft below the surface in a swamp.

Could BB have disappeared in a swampy area?
1. Over 100 searchers combed the area soon after he disappeared. All returned.
2. LE combed over 1000 acres. No lost LE.
3. Search dog traced only to area around pond next to Essendant (business).
4. Certainly there are geologists/specialists who could have been asked to assess the area. Before a bridge is built, for example, soil and stability are assessed.

Next...
Could there have been an old quarry around the area where he disappeared, now covered over, and he stumbled into it? Possibly. Ft Snelling was built with quarried rocks from the area, and there was a quarry at Gun Club Lake, less than 1/2 mile away. And, of course, it's not to late to do an assessment.

If thoughts are BB is still there, why not tear up every inch of the area? It's not like the area is a place where anyone goes anyway, and it sure seems recovering a body should be a primary concern.

 

[FoxxTraxx]

Comments on an old idea...
Referemce the 4 US soldiers lost in a tank in Lithuania. US Army found it own 16 ft below the surface in a swamp.

Could BB have disappeared in a swampy area?
1. Over 100 searchers combed the area soon after he disappeared. All returned.
2. LE combed over 1000 acres. No lost LE.
3. Search dog traced only to area around pond next to Essendant (business).
4. Certainly there are geologists/specialists who could have been asked to assess the area. Before a bridge is built, for example, soil and stability are assessed.

Next...
Could there have been an old quarry around the area where he disappeared, now covered over, and he stumbled into it? Possibly. Ft Snelling was built with quarried rocks from the area, and there was a quarry at Gun Club Lake, less than 1/2 mile away. And, of course, it's not to late to do an assessment.

If thoughts are BB is still there, why not tear up every inch of the area? It's not like the area is a place where anyone goes anyway, and it sure seems recovering a body should be a primary concern.

I think if BB became deceased on the ground they would have found some trace of his body and/or clothing. So I agree - he most likely fell into an opening in the ground or into a pond/bog where his body got wedged in mud, sticks, quicksand, etc... It's unlikely he could have traversed that terrain to the river.