MN - Jacob Wetterling, 11, St. Joseph, 22 Oct 1989 - #13

[Dave K]

RBBM

While I agree that Patty seems to be grateful to Joy, there's some misinformation here.

Jared first went public about his assault back in 2004.

He met with Patty Wetterling back then (see photo).
http://www.immelman.us/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/Jared-Patty_KARE11-2004.jpg
(from: http://www.immelman.us/news/jacob-wetterling-rassier-search/)

And news articles:
http://archive.kare11.com/news/news_article.aspx?storyid=63364

http://archive.kare11.com/news/article/63324/26/kare-11-investigates-coincidence-in-wetterling-case

Joy did not introduce them. (She may have told Patty Jared's last name, and brought them together for another meeting this past year.)

The video you have probably seen showing Jared with Patty is from 2004.

And this quote (from above link) is also from 2004.

"Patty always knew there was a Jared, but until a few weeks ago they had never met.

"All I knew was Jared, I never knew his last name," Patty said, recalling how much work Jared has done behind the scenes. "And the pressure they put him through, oh my god, every time we had a new suspect they're running it past this poor 13-year-old kid. My gosh, that's hard."
http://archive.kare11.com/news/news_article.aspx?storyid=63364

You're right, that had slipped by me. I had already known that, and wasn't thinking. Actually this video is one of my main references and I knew it was from 2004 and I just wasn't thinking.

http://www.kare11.com/story/news/cr...ors-take-fresh-look-at-similar-cases/9064905/

It was really just an offhanded comment that I could easily have just left out. It wasn't really a significant point of the post, and doesn't really take away from the meaning of the post.

 

[chaplain1]

I wonder if Smokey barked as the boys went by initially. Was the dog chained up? Maybe he barked at the boys on their way to Tom Thumb, then at the perp, then during abduction, then at Kevin as he turned around in the driveway. Could it be the prolonged barking that finally woke DR?

Smokey die not appear to be chained when they were doing crime scene photos. Got the sense he had his run of the place.

 

[Ifollowthis]

Smokey die not appear to be chained when they were doing crime scene photos. Got the sense he had his run of the place.

Most farm dogs have the run of the place it would have been unusual for him to ever have been chained or kenneled.

 

[shergal]

You're right, that had slipped by me. I had already known that, and wasn't thinking. Actually this video is one of my main references and I knew it was from 2004 and I just wasn't thinking.

http://www.kare11.com/story/news/cr...ors-take-fresh-look-at-similar-cases/9064905/

It was really just an offhanded comment that I could easily have just left out. It wasn't really a significant point of the post, and doesn't really take away from the meaning of the post.

No problem. I just didn't want people thinking it was Joy who brought Jared and Patty together.

 

[HEY YOU!]

The superintendent himself stated that DR has a clean record with the school. Not sure we need any more proof than that. If there were any actual problems with DR, we would have heard about them. A parent would have blabbed to the media or sued the district by now.

In 1979, Etan Patz disappeared on his very 1st walk to the bus stop alone. Pedro Hernandez was an 18 year old bodega worker at the time, he was arrested in 2012 based on his confession that he abducted and murdered Etan when he came in his store to buy a soda . Pedro placed Etan's remains in the garbage. Pedro did not have a previous record nor did he commit any crimes since Etan's abduction and murder. Just one example.

Many perps are not caught, some only commit one crime, some are constant offenders that just have not been apprehended.

 

[human]

there could be other victims.

Maybe a child committed suicide. Maybe parents do not want to talk about their children's issues because they are in denial.

Maybe there is not enough info.

I know of a teacher whose victim commited suicide. The single mother did not want to discuss it.

Shame, whatever.

We simply have no idea about much of anything.

We can read on Behindthepinecurtain about a suicide

 

[kemo]

There are a number of posters here who have been keeping a pretty steady "DR did it" drumbeat. They do not like Joy's contribution because it does not support their beliefs and it propelled this thread in a different direction.

 

[Sasquatch321]

There are a number of posters here who have been keeping a pretty steady "DR did it" drumbeat. They do not like Joy's contribution because it does not support their beliefs and it propelled this thread in a different direction.

I think alot of people read Joys blog (specifically dans story) and leave angry because of the vague information and complete withholding of the full story. DR contacted Joy to clear his name, to me it sounds more like an ongoing game.

 

[chaplain1]

Kemo--

I think Joy has done enough to pique our interest but I find some of her work shoddy. Other than a news article, there has not been collaboration concerning the Paynesville attacks. Also, she combines Paynesville, Jared, and Jacob. In my mind, MO is different in all of these cases. Patty is right, a ton of pedophiles were preying on little boys at the time.

DR would not be under as much heat if he did not tell such weird stories about his evening.

Joy has brought a lot of attention. Plus Dave K vouches for her, so it's not like we are working against her or anything.

Medical cop, though, c 'mon Joy ask the follow up. What are those in your world KB?

 

[HEY YOU!]

There are a number of posters here who have been keeping a pretty steady "DR did it" drumbeat. They do not like Joy's contribution because it does not support their beliefs and it propelled this thread in a different direction.

That's funny, it seems to me there are a few people who will not even question any evidence of DR's guilt no matter how compelling. People who do not even question DR's odd behavior or statements no matter how bizzare or self incriminating. I have an open mind for any evidence that does not point to Dan Rassier. So far, I haven't seen any.

 

[KeepHopeAlive]

That's funny, it seems to me there are a few people who will not even question any evidence of DR's guilt no matter how compelling. People who do not even question DR's odd behavior or statements no matter how bizzare or self incriminating. I have an open mind for any evidence that does not point to Dan Rassier. So far, I haven't seen any.

There has been no evidence (presented to the public) that DR is guilty. It doesn't matter if someone looks guilty. That's subjective. We need to see hard, physical evidence (DNA, prints of any kind, clothing, etc.) that connects DR to Jacob's abduction.

 

[ThePhantom]

Welp. I'm pretty sure there may have been some hard physical evidence in at least Jared's case. What was it worth? Apparently very little. As I've often stated here, we show up each day positing our theories and endeavoring to flesh them out, but we are severely hampered by all that we do not know and evidently will never be told. Because we're not allowed to know -- truth and justice be damned.

 

[Dave K]

There are a number of posters here who have been keeping a pretty steady "DR did it" drumbeat. They do not like Joy's contribution because it does not support their beliefs and it propelled this thread in a different direction.

Sasquatch321

I think alot of people read Joys blog (specifically dans story) and leave angry because of the vague information and complete withholding of the full story. DR contacted Joy to clear his name, to me it sounds more like an ongoing game.

This is kind of interesting. A little...

The two above posts are pretty concise, to the point; somewhat two sides of an issue. And, one right after the other.

Sasquatch's post was in response to Kemo's.

As of the time of this post, 18 of the board posters have thanked one or the other. Only one poster was neutral; Phantom thanked both of them.

19 Thanks altogether.

 

[HEY YOU!]

There has been no evidence (presented to the public) that DR is guilty. It doesn't matter if someone looks guilty. That's subjective. We need to see hard, physical evidence (DNA, prints of any kind, clothing, etc.) that connects DR to Jacob's abduction.

That is exactly why it hasn't gone to trial. I am sure that you would also be curious as to all of the items that law enforcement too into custody from the DR farm. YOu know, there is the blood stained trunk, the umbrella stand and various other items that DR could not recall during the interview with the news guy. Wouldn't you like to know what those items were and why they are still in custody of Stearns County? While I do feel that based on all of the information that we have that DR is guilty of the disappearance and likely murder of Jacob Wetterling, I have an open mind for any real evidence that points elsewhere. I see that you are so entrenched in the idea that Dan Rassier is innocent that you will not even speculate on ANY of the suspicious behavior or actions/non-actions of the named person of interest. I find that strange.


Why do you think Dan Rassier is not guilty of the abduction of Jacob Wetterling? I challenge you to change my mind.

 

[Trackergd]

At this point, I am still not willing to point the finger at any one person. I do not see anything in the prints that points in any specific direction, they only create more questions as I don't have the full view of the print field nor the plaster casts. I am still curious about Kevin.

I am convinced that once the book is out, all of us will have a much clearer understanding of the events leading up the abduction, the abduction itself and post abduction activities. At that point, we should all be on the same page.

I have beaten myself up a few times over the years when I have decided I knew "who did it", only to have been completely wrong. I make every effort not to focus on one individual or scenario to the exclusion of all else for fear I have missed something important that points in a different direction.

I understand that folks here are passionate about their pet theory and suspect(s). Nothing wrong with that as long as their mind is open to new information and the willingness to adjust their theory based on valid information. It's very hard to divorce personal emotion from the objective view of the facts, and even harder in some cases to keep unsubstantiated information and rumor form influencing ones views.

We have a good group here. Like I learned in the military, focus on what we have and what we can do with what we have.

Many of you are more articulate than I, so I hope this translates in the manner it was intended.

 

[HEY YOU!]

I am open to any thoughts or idea that DR is not responsible. That being said, I would like to see the people who think it was someone else come up with a theory of how it was accomplished from start to finish. At most it was a 40 minute window from when boys left their home on the cul de sac to Jacob's abduction at the end of DR driveway. I have yet to see a plausible theory. For someone to dismiss law enforcement's only named POI, they must have a reason why he didn't do it and an idea of how it was done. Websleuths is for sleuthing, l look forward to alternate theories.

 

[chaplain1]

I am open to any thoughts or idea that DR is not responsible. That being said, I would like to see the people who think it was someone else come up with a theory of how it was accomplished from start to finish. At most it was a 40 minute window from when boys left their home on the cul de sac to Jacob's abduction at the end of DR driveway. I have yet to see a plausible theory. For someone to dismiss law enforcement's only named POI, they must have a reason why he didn't do it and an idea of how it was done. Websleuths is for sleuthing, l look forward to alternate theories.

If cars are allowed to be posited, I would put the roaming monster as a very real possibility. I'd doubt there was connection to a professional group, because I don't think you would take the chance of the other two kids recognizing anything. Abductor would have had more time without the other kids. My roaming monster would simply have gotten the itch, probably had outfit in hidden car, and did the job.

With no car, I think you're very limited. Not conveniently located by the Abbey. Limited number of people witnessing their bike ride. Some local who would need were to hide a body.

I would love to know more about Kevin. The whole scenario to me is just damning and you would think he would know about obstruction of justice

 

[Trino]

That is exactly why it hasn't gone to trial. I am sure that you would also be curious as to all of the items that law enforcement too into custody from the DR farm. YOu know, there is the blood stained trunk, the umbrella stand and various other items that DR could not recall during the interview with the news guy. Wouldn't you like to know what those items were and why they are still in custody of Stearns County? While I do feel that based on all of the information that we have that DR is guilty of the disappearance and likely murder of Jacob Wetterling, I have an open mind for any real evidence that points elsewhere. I see that you are so entrenched in the idea that Dan Rassier is innocent that you will not even speculate on ANY of the suspicious behavior or actions/non-actions of the named person of interest. I find that strange.


Why do you think Dan Rassier is not guilty of the abduction of Jacob Wetterling? I challenge you to change my mind.

I will attempt to answer why I believe DR is not guilty. Please remember I have followed the case since 1989.

I feel Stearns Co is keeping the items to save face, especially in light of the 2010 fiasco. IMO with today's technology there would have been some evidence linking DR to the abduction. DR has explained the trunk, stored in the barn, was in the family for years. Certainly, JW's blood would have been obvious, especially if, using the terms "blood stained."

IMO DR's lack of criminal record, his status, the high regard his students have for him, plus no evidence of interaction with a minor speaks volumes. This happened at the end of his driveway. Let us also remember Kevin was present. Do we really know enough about Kevin? Let us also remember that, at least, it was 15 + minutes until LE arrived on the scene. At lot can happen in that time.

Supposedly, there was no vehicle involved. I'm not really certain that is true. A vehicle would not have had to even been on the same road; it could have been parked elsewhere. Putting myself in the position of an abductor, I would not park on a street or in a driveway where I was going to commit a crime. There were also party areas nearby - not much has been made of them.

You speak of real evidence that points elsewhere, but where is real legal evidence that points to DR? If there were legal evidence, DR would have been charged.

 

[ThePhantom]

The heart of the matter remains: We absolutely do not have all the facts and all the information necessary to understand who abducted Jacob and how/why he has gotten away with it for all these years. This lack of knowledge has enormously hindered our ability to accurately hone in on who the perpetrator was. My own personal feeling - our inability to know all the facts and information with regard to Jacob's case has and will continue to be a show stopper for getting to the truth. Notice I was once of the mind that certain monks might have been involved in both Jared and Jacob's case. While I still believe this to be true in the Guimond case, I no longer ascribe to that theory for Jacob and Jared. Why is that? Because I became aware of information I never knew before. Information I may not speak of here. So, like everyone else who faithfully shows up to search for answers, i will continue to dialogue about Jacob because I am drawn to do so. But my personal opinion is that until a complete slate of suspects, old and new, is thoroughly vetted, the truth will remain obscured. This, in my opinion, is why there is a very real probability the public may never know what happened - which, to me, amounts to a travesty of justice. As always, if my beliefs are proven wrong, I will delight with everyone else in knowing what the truth is.

 

[Sasquatch321]

LE has done a tremendous job in the most extensive investigation in this states history. One day all that work will come to a head. Until then we will reposition cars and suspects to our hearts content because of boredom and lack of tools.