MN - Jacob Wetterling, 11, St. Joseph, 22 Oct 1989 - #13

[human]

Reading between the lines, it appears DR is a liar.

Why is that?

The cars he talks about do not exist. So why make it up?

 

[human]

Let's play out the scenario where a car is used but it was not parked or driven on DR driveway. Where would a car be able to park where the boys wouldn't see it on their way to and back from the store and where would it be walkable for the perp to walk Jacob to the car at gunpoint and where the boys would not see or hear it leave?

Locals, what is a plausible parking spot for the perp? Let's play out each scenario.

The road is narrow . How deep are the ditches?

I cannot see parking.

There are people who have been there more recently. Is there parking off the road?

 

[Sasquatch321]

The road is narrow . How deep are the ditches?

I cannot see parking.

There are people who have been there more recently. Is there parking off the road?

Yes there is parking on the side of the road.

 

[nmogren]

Do you really believe that the FBI and BCA are narrow minded?

Don't forget, they tracked down a man from Japan who had been at the ballroom that night.

But you believe they would not do the most basic of things which means looking at all tire prints?

Actually no. Not if it looks completely obvious that the footprint ends at a tire track. They will only cast that tire track. Why would they cast all of the tire tracks?


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[nmogren]

Reading between the lines, it appears DR is a liar.

Why is that?

The cars he talks about do not exist. So why make it up?

I'm starting to think that there probably were other cars and he did see them.


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[Sasquatch321]

Actually no. Not if it looks completely obvious that the footprint ends at a tire track. They will only cast that tire track. Why would they cast all of the tire tracks?


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Because as Hey You is trying to explain, there was a 45 minute window that two cars traversed the driveway. They would both appear fresh, there was not any sign of this.

 

[nmogren]

Because as Hey You is trying to explain, there was a 45 minute window that two cars traversed the driveway. They would both appear fresh, there was not any sign of this.

How do we know there was no sign of this? We know they took a cast of Kevin's tire track, that's all.


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[Sasquatch321]

How do we know there was no sign of this? We know they took a cast of Kevin's tire track, that's all.


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There was no sign because they were there, with a professional print analyst, and only took casts of kevins vehicle, to our own public knowledge. As Hey You pointed out the different descriptions of the cars point to different circumferences of the cars axels. Its impossible that two cars traversed the driveway in 45 minutes, without both being recovered, imo.

 

[nmogren]

I think it is quite possible that they only took tire casts of the print that made the most sense. (The one next to Jacobs footprint.)


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[Sasquatch321]

I think it is quite possible that they only took tire casts of the print that made the most sense. (The one next to Jacobs footprint.)


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Im pretty much 70 percent Dr, 30 percent Kevin, the levels keep changing. But according to hard forensics I dont believe anyone else is responsible beyond these two. You look at the pictures and how visible the tire tracks are.

 

[shergal]

Let's play out the scenario where a car is used but it was not parked or driven on DR driveway. Where would a car be able to park where the boys wouldn't see it on their way to and back from the store and where would it be walkable for the perp to walk Jacob to the car at gunpoint and where the boys would not see or hear it leave?

Locals, what is a plausible parking spot for the perp? Let's play out each scenario.

When DR came home from school on the 23rd, there were detectives and dogs checking out his driveway, so he had to park "in his neighbor's driveway" - the only neighbor close enough to him for that would be Schreifel's home across the street* (diagonally to the northwest) from his driveway and north of the woods. Simplest explanation is the perp parked in that driveway. Boys riding by would have no reason to notice an empty car in a private driveway. Or he could have parked on the path to the party spot. I don't really think there is much room for side of the road parking, and the boys would have seen a car on the road.

*Schreifel's home is not directly across the street from the driveway, it is across the street from the woods hiding DR's home from the street, so about 30 yards north on the opposite side of the street. We've had overhead maps on here before of the abduction scene.

 

[Dave K]

Dave, do you know him?

No, I'm not from that area. If I knew him, I would have said so; a long time ago.

 

[Sasquatch321]

No, I'm not from that area. If I knew him, I would have said so; a long time ago.

You are not from the area but you walked the road on oct 22nd at night to confirm if you could see a vehicle where one was said to be? That was you wasnt it?

 

[Dave K]

You are not from the area but you walked the road on oct 22nd at night to confirm if you could see a vehicle where one was said to be? That was you wasnt it?

No, you're thinking of Matthew1026. Here's his post #447 from thread 12.

Call me crazy, but I took a walk tonight to the spot where Jacob was abducted. It’s surprising how dark it gets after you pass Dale Street, even with so many porch lights on in the neighborhood… I almost turned around and headed back home. I can only imagine how much darker it would have been 25 years ago when there would have been less lights to light up the sky. I got to the end of the driveway about 9:15, about the same time that the boys were approached. IF there was a car parked at the red dot where Jacob’s footprint was, there is NO way that I would have been able to see it. (That is to say if the red dot is placed at the correct spot)

 

[Wisdom]

When DR came home from school on the 23rd, there were detectives and dogs checking out his driveway, so he had to park "in his neighbor's driveway" - the only neighbor close enough to him for that would be Schreifel's home across the street* (diagonally to the northwest) from his driveway and north of the woods. Simplest explanation is the perp parked in that driveway. Boys riding by would have no reason to notice an empty car in a private driveway. Or he could have parked on the path to the party spot. I don't really think there is much room for side of the road parking, and the boys would have seen a car on the road.

*Schreifel's home is not directly across the street from the driveway, it is across the street from the woods hiding DR's home from the street, so about 30 yards north on the opposite side of the street. We've had overhead maps on here before of the abduction scene.

But we all have to remember that the abduction took place by the road so it makes no sense that the perp walked Jacob back up the driveway so far.

 

[shergal]

But we all have to remember that the abduction took place by the road so it makes no sense that the perp walked Jacob back up the driveway so far.

I was thinking Jacob broke away from him and ran up DR's driveway and the perp went after him and grabbed him. Where he caught up with him would have been where that deeper footprint of Jacob's was as Jacob struggled. Then he would have carried him back to his car. (Just a theory.)

 

[ThePhantom]

You ever just looked at a case, looked at the suspects, thought it through and and believed you knew as far as reasonably possible (no complete case file to read, only public info to review) who the perpetrator was? It appears that we have several thought processes working here with regard to potential suspects for the abduction of Jacob: DR, and then -- it seems some rarely mentioned suspects and/or some who cannot be named. It almost looks like thirds in our group -- a third lean towards DR as the perpetrator, a third lean towards an early unnamed suspect and a third lean toward -- having mixed feelings and thus leaning towards several possible culprits. You know, after twenty five years, it's beginning to look like we're dealing with a perpetrator who was exceedingly thorough in the execution of his abduction and disappearance of Jacob. This guy must be extra cagey and smarter than the average bear, because he's been able to outwit the FBI, BCA and all the rest for two and a half decades. Either that or he's just damn lucky. Can it really be this scoundrel committed the perfect crime -- perfect in that the best of the best have yet been unable to locate the evidence needed to charge someone? Apparently so.

 

[scotgirl]

You ever just looked at a case, looked at the suspects, thought it through and and believed you knew as far as reasonably possible (no complete case file to read, only public info to review) who the perpetrator was? It appears that we have several thought processes working here with regard to potential suspects for the abduction of Jacob: DR, and then -- it seems some rarely mentioned suspects and/or some who cannot be named. It almost looks like thirds in our group -- a third lean towards DR as the perpetrator, a third lean towards an early unnamed suspect and a third lean toward -- having mixed feelings and thus leaning towards several possible culprits. You know, after twenty five years, it's beginning to look like we're dealing with a perpetrator who was exceedingly thorough in the execution of his abduction and disappearance of Jacob. This guy must be extra cagey and smarter than the average bear, because he's been able to outwit the FBI, BCA and all the rest for two and a half decades. Either that or he's just damn lucky. Can it really be this scoundrel committed the perfect crime -- perfect in that the best of the best have yet been unable to locate the evidence needed to charge someone? Apparently so.

I think he's no criminal mastermind, he has just been extraordinarily lucky that of the limited evidence on the scene, none of it gave LE a strong enough lead directly towards him. With the lack of evidence and no trace of Jacob he knows that if he keeps his mouth shut he will probably get away with it. I do wonder how he has managed to keep it to himself but if he shared what happened with a likeminded person, they usually don't have the morals to care about the effect on the family. Although i would have thought the reward money might have made someone speak up so maybe the perp is a real loner and self reliant.
Sherrif Sanner has previously said it's gonna take a body or a confession to break the case.

 

[HEY YOU!]

I was thinking Jacob broke away from him and ran up DR's driveway and the perp went after him and grabbed him. Where he caught up with him would have been where that deeper footprint of Jacob's was as Jacob struggled. Then he would have carried him back to his car. (Just a theory.)

Wouldn't there be more evidence of footprints, especially in that 'last footprint' picture? More deep impressions and obvious man size prints with evidence of scuffling? I just don't see it. AND, why on earth would Jacob run up a dark driveway? If he broke free on the way to Shriefel's driveway where the supposed car was, he surely would run towards his home or back towards Tom Thumb where there are houses closer together for more of a chance of finding a person to help.

The print evidence show Jacob was 120ft up DR driveway. Why? If perp car was parked somewhere other than DR driveway and all tire tracks are accounted for then why are Jacob's prints all the way up a dark driveway?

 

[HEY YOU!]

I don't think that at all. My point is simply that LE probably took casts of the tire track that was near Jacobs last print and ignored all others.

I am strictly looking at the driveway scene and I think LE screwed up big time making assumptions that that tire track would lead to Jacob. It didn't. That is the consequence when you are narrow minded. There is a big chance you will miss something that could lead you to the solution.


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We see the pictures and video, there is no other fresh tire tracks and there should be tracks of a car with a smaller wheelbase that DR saw drive up and around at the time of abduction. The fact that LE immediately discounted a car once Kevin came forward means that they were banking on those deep fresh tire tracks being those of the abductor.