MN - Jacob Wetterling, 11, St. Joseph, 22 Oct 1989 - #14

[Jbrown324320]

It depends on what news you read when you are under your rock. This is an underworld very similar to the drug culture underworld. All the people in town know who the drug users are, who the sellers and where they will be an when. They have nicknames for regular words (Like "chickens" and "bulls", those of which may have changed though), they have child runners like drug runners. You know who can keep your information safe and who can't. You know where you can get arrested and where you most likely aren't going to be. I am trying to figure out if this pedo underworld ties into a BDSM group and who was in it.

On a different subject, does anyone know of anyone who was at the social party or PTA meeting or "social gathering" where the Wetterlings ere at that night? Anyone know of any attendees or where it was held? What type of party it was? Anyone?

 

[Jbrown324320]

PWesterner, you have heard of the Sandusky case, correct? He got a hold of adopted boys, foster boys, boys who needed attention and molested them. He created a foundation to have others "help" boys. This obviously was not his intent. Pedos know where to find victims and how to get them alone. They also usually have friends who share the same interests (especially if he gets older). They swap stories and sometimes victims. Most do not kill their victims. They want to "use" them again so they threaten the victim with their life if they tell. Children are easily scared and manipulated by adults- especially adults in authoritative positions. If you read "Behind the Pine Curtain" priests shared victims and tell other priests. Like an underground game of "telephone".

 

[scotgirl]

These recent posts are interesting and horrifying. Thanks for all the info. I could cry at the thought that these groups exist but unfortunately they do.

 

[Jbrown324320]

a smaller ring would be the Brittany Wood case. That was a child sex ring operated by a family- Aunt, uncles, brothers, little girls were the victims. Even the mother of the missing teen, Brittany Wood was involved and arrested for her part in it.

Phantom, the video you posted. No doubt the whole family of Bs were gross and into this stuff. Maybe they were a part of this group too. Not sure if they were the actual people who did the kidnapping though. That is what LE is looking for. Unfortunately they aren't interested in a messy thing like a child sex ring. They would step on too many toes. I wish they had more courage!

 

[human]

wisdom, I am saying the one (or two) people from the pedo ring grabbed Jacob because it is easier for them to control one child- physically and mentally. Two children are more likely to escape. I wasn't sure if you were talking about the whole ring grabbing the children or one person. The person who "found" the child received money for each one found. The group would then set up the child with the rich john in New York or fly them places and take pictures or get info from the child of what happened. The story coming out in the news may be a different ring. The one I am researching, the group blackmailed the rich john into submission- give them all the money you have or I will tell your wife, boss, the news, etc. The story of the chickens and the bulls mostly focuses on the johns (bulls). What about the kids? Some were listed as missing.

human, the area is still "hot". Have you been down the road where Jacob was kidnapped lately? People still check to see who is driving down the street to see if they know them or not. All the residents are on high alert.

No. But DR goes all over for races. All over the US. Maybe in other countries , too. I can't find info on that.

 

[human]

There was the famous child sex ring in MN that at one time was in the training guide for the FBI. I believe it was Jordan, MN.

I know it was true because I have a relative who was adopting some children and she was in the group that had some of the children from those families. That investigation was really screwed up so the LE's regrouped and learned how to examine these cases. I am not sure if anyone was prosecuted from Jordan. I cannot remember.

There were numerous people involved. I know at least one of the children lived in a house where the bathtub was filled with feces. I imagine the case is online as it was THE one to change how these things were dealt with.

 

[aliensporebomb]

The one thing that keeps coming to my mind is the perpetrator in the case of Jared (and Jacob) were described as being older than someone DR was at the time (or the like).

Thinking out of the box: the perp in the Jared case was "late for a meeting at the red door" - what if he wasn't a DJ or bartender or maintenance guy but rather was a bouncer or security guard or the like who had police-like credentials? Possibly with former military training?

Mossad's map of what seemed to be taverns might fit in with this.

It sounds like whoever was involved would go farther and farther every time he drank. Liquid courage or the like. After the abduction,
it was like the guy vanished off the face of the earth. Were there any reports of "Chester the Molester" where Jared was or similar occurences after this in the area?

It's like whoever was involved decided to keep the lowest possible profile due to the fact that the case was the biggest news in Minnesota at the time - he wasn't being sloppy - maybe he blew town to Minneapolis or St. Paul or Duluth or somewhere in Wisconsin where he could blend in with the population.

The total sudden dissappearance of that type of thing seems to point to a possible child ring or something else where someone was able to control their behavior when they wanted to.

But Mossad's post referring to someone germanic, stoic, heavy work ethic might know or be related to the perpetrator and doesn't want to get involved because it would make their family look bad. I wonder.

 

[pwesterner]

The one thing that keeps coming to my mind is the perpetrator in the case of Jared (and Jacob) were described as being older than someone DR was at the time (or the like).

Thinking out of the box: the perp in the Jared case was "late for a meeting at the red door" - what if he wasn't a DJ or bartender or maintenance guy but rather was a bouncer or security guard or the like who had police-like credentials? Possibly with former military training?

Mossad's map of what seemed to be taverns might fit in with this.

It sounds like whoever was involved would go farther and farther every time he drank. Liquid courage or the like. After the abduction,
it was like the guy vanished off the face of the earth. Were there any reports of "Chester the Molester" where Jared was or similar occurences after this in the area?

It's like whoever was involved decided to keep the lowest possible profile due to the fact that the case was the biggest news in Minnesota at the time - he wasn't being sloppy - maybe he blew town to Minneapolis or St. Paul or Duluth or somewhere in Wisconsin where he could blend in with the population.

The total sudden dissappearance of that type of thing seems to point to a possible child ring or something else where someone was able to control their behavior when they wanted to.

But Mossad's post referring to someone germanic, stoic, heavy work ethic might know or be related to the perpetrator and doesn't want to get involved because it would make their family look bad. I wonder.

I've also thought the perp may have had law enforcement or police-like credentials. He seems very intelligent - above average than most abductors. It appears he committed the perfect crime and he disappeared into thin air and left no visible trace. Either that or he was really lucky, but I am guessing the former.

 

[thenotebook]

Isn't Meekman a name that has been brought up with this case? Wasn't he with the local police department?

 

[shergal]

Isn't Meekman a name that has been brought up with this case? Wasn't he with the local police department?

It's Meemken, (PJM) and he's in our who's who - post #5 here:
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...-22-Oct-1989-***CASE-FACTS***NO-DISCUSSION***

 

[Jbrown324320]

I think it was the "Red Carpet" Bar and not the "Red Door". Its a popular bar in St Cloud with music, pool tables, a lot going on

Phillip Meemken was a Stearns County sheriff sergeant *worked for 17 years who was arrested in 2009 for providing alcohol to minors and molesting them. Some victims were related to him. Teen girls. Is that a German name? I think many of the early residents of St Joes were german.

http://knsiradio.com/news/local/sexual-abuse-case-against-sheriffs-sergeant-moves-forward

 

[nmogren]

Just did some reading up on the Jordan case, my parents know some of the people involved. Yuck. Looks like it came down to just one really bad guy who wrongly implicated others and it blew up. I think a lot of these old sex ring stories could have been like that.


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[pwesterner]

I think it was the "Red Carpet" Bar and not the "Red Door". Its a popular bar in St Cloud with music, pool tables, a lot going on

Phillip Meemken was a Stearns County sheriff sergeant *worked for 17 years who was arrested in 2009 for providing alcohol to minors and molesting them. Some victims were related to him. Teen girls. Is that a German name? I think many of the early residents of St Joes were german.

http://knsiradio.com/news/local/sexual-abuse-case-against-sheriffs-sergeant-moves-forward

I've never heard of this case... I will have to research it. Thanks. I don't know much about many of the cases mentioned on here and am always interested in learning more. You never know what could be connected or relevant.

I don't think it's a German name. I've never heard it. In most cases, surnames that end in -en are Scandinavian but I guess not always. (My dad was born in Norway and my mom in Germany so I know a little about both Scandinavian and German names).

 

[pwesterner]

I just did a quick search on Phillip Meemken and it appears he is possibly related to a former priest (who died in 2008) at St John's Abbey... interesting.


EDIT: I guess he wasn't a priest there. He received his seminary training there and was a priest at various churches in MN throughout the years.

 

[ThePhantom]

The name of my suspected unnameable suspect is Germanic in origin. But I have no way of knowing exactly who Mossad might be referring to. Speaking of which, where has Mossad been

 

[pwesterner]

Whoa. Phillip Meemken actually looks a lot like the guy in the sketch. But he would have only been 20 at the time.

 

[chaplain1]

I've never heard of this case... I will have to research it. Thanks. I don't know much about many of the cases mentioned on here and am always interested in learning more. You never know what could be connected or relevant.

I don't think it's a German name. I've never heard it. In most cases, surnames that end in -en are Scandinavian but I guess not always. (My dad was born in Norway and my mom in Germany so I know a little about both Scandinavian and German names).

"On" last names were pegged to Swedes & some German, more common
"en" was more exclusively Norwegians

I traced my heritage and looked at the immigration logs

 

[chaplain1]

Past first generation folk like pwesterner, in my studies it is almost impossible to find someone that is in the 3 - 4th generations that do not have some German blood from MN, WI.

 

[chaplain1]

Is the interviewer on bahner video a board member? Always wondered

 

[shergal]

Is the interviewer on bahner video a board member? Always wondered

No, at least not unless she's using a different name. DM is also in our who's who as someone involved - not as a suspect! She was a bail bond agent in St. Cloud.